Dr. Alexandra Sowa, THE OZEMPIC REVOLUTION: A Doctor's Proven Plan for Success to Help You Reverse Obesity, End Yo-Yo Dieting, and Protect Yourself from Disease
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[0:44]Dr. Alexandra Sowa is the author of the Ozempic Revolution, a doctor's proven plan for success
[0:50]to help you reverse obesity, and yo-yo dieting, and protect yourself from disease.
[0:55]Dr. Sowa is a dual board certified physician in internal and obesity medicine, founder
[1:00]of Sowel, and author of the groundbreaking book, The Ozempic Revolution.
[1:04]With over a decade of clinical experience, Dr. Sowa has become a leading voice in metabolic
[1:09]health, specializing in GLP1 medications, and their transformative role in tackling obesity
[1:14]and chronic illness.
[1:16]Through Sowel, Dr. Sowa extends her reach beyond the clinic, offering innovative telehealth
[1:20]services, metabolic, and GLP1 support products and resources that reflect her philosophy
[1:25]of care, both holistic and evidence-based, deeply proud of her Johns Hopkins and
[1:30]YU education.
[1:32]She now serves as clinical instructor at NYU School of Medicine.
[1:35]Her expertise has been featured in media outlets, such as the New York Times CNN and Women's
[1:40]Health.
[1:41]She lives in some New Jersey, with her husband and four young children.
[1:43]In her spare time, she loves to sleep, and watch reality TV.
[1:47]Yes, really.
[1:48]Welcome, Alexandra.
[1:49]Thanks for coming on totally booked with Zibi to talk about the Ozempic Revolution.
[1:55]I am thrilled to be here.
[1:56]I've been looking so forward to this.
[2:00]And as we were just chatting about, you came to the most anticipated party, and we got
[2:03]a chance to meet, so that was really wonderful.
[2:06]I mean, it was the best time, and it's such a thrill to be included with such amazing
[2:11]authors, and for you to let me into your circle.
[2:14]Thank you.
[2:15]Oh, my gosh.
[2:16]No problem.
[2:17]That's great to meet you.
[2:18]And I have invested interest in this topic, having been a majority, and I've blossomed
[2:22]like 30 pounds or something, and I am a huge advocate for GLP1s, whatever.
[2:29]So getting to delve into, I haven't done really any of the things you tell people to do
[2:33]in the book, but I appreciated that there was a book, and I wish I had had that at the
[2:38]beginning.
[2:39]So why don't you tell people a little bit more about your background and how you ended
[2:42]up writing the book?
[2:44]So I am a dual board certified internist and obesity medicine specialist.
[2:48]I went to Johns Hopkins, trained at NYU, and I found the field of obesity medicine
[2:54]very early on in my career, because I was very disillusioned by just treating end stage
[2:59]disease, and I knew there had to be a better way to help people prevent disease.
[3:03]And obesity medicine was the path forward for me.
[3:05]GLP1 medications have been around for actually a long time, so they were present in
[3:10]my education and my early on in my career.
[3:12]But these new weekly iterations have really changed the game.
[3:16]And I felt like it was time to write a comprehensive guide about what specialists like
[3:22]me know and teach our patients, but that the rate of prescriptions has been outpacing
[3:27]the ability to educate holistically, and that was the inspiration behind the book, the
[3:33]ozopic revolution.
[3:34]Wait, I am fascinated about the fact that they have been around for a while.
[3:38]What were they like before, and can you give us a background on how they became what
[3:43]they are now?
[3:44]Yes, so we've actually been using GLP1 medications daily, for use for treatment of
[3:49]type 2 diabetes since 2005.
[3:52]The first weight loss FDA approved versions came out a little over 11 years ago at this
[3:58]point.
[3:59]The first medication was called sex endem, and it was a daily.
[4:03]And then when ozopic came to be, and then the weight loss version of that was, we
[4:08]go V came to be in the last five years, six years.
[4:12]It has really transformed the both ease of use.
[4:17]But really, more importantly than that, it's been how efficacious it is.
[4:22]So the older iterations, we didn't see such large weight loss.
[4:25]We saw maybe 7%, 8%, maybe 10% total body weight loss.
[4:31]Now we see 15 up to 25% total body weight loss.
[4:35]So the real game changers, and more than what they can do, I think, is what they can do
[4:41]for us on a societal level of changing and redefining weight bias, that stigma, however
[4:50]you want to call it.
[4:51]And finally, people are starting to say, hey, this is not a disease of willpower.
[4:57]This is a disease of biology.
[4:59]And we need to look at it like any other chronic disease.
[5:02]We're going to take the shame away.
[5:04]And we have medications to help you in this.
[5:06]And that is my mission in life, is to stand on my little soapbox and say it as many
[5:13]times as I need to, that this is not about willpower, very, very successful people struggle
[5:18]with their weight, right?
[5:20]People who are so type A will do everything.
[5:21]And in fact, they get themselves into patterns of eating and obsession that are so counterproductive
[5:27]to health.
[5:28]And this medication can be so freeing.
[5:31]We know that it's not just effective for weight management and type 2 diabetes, but
[5:36]now we're seeing a whole host of FDA approvals and indications that are going to go far
[5:40]beyond that.
[5:41]So treatment for sleep apnea, cardiac and stroke prevention, kidney protection.
[5:47]I do think that we'll see indications for dementia protection.
[5:51]We're reducing 16 types of cancer.
[5:53]And the list goes on and on because when it comes down to a chronic disease is about inflammation
[5:58]and metabolic dysfunction.
[5:59]So I think these medications are a revolution.
[6:03]But I think people need to be empowered to know, how do you achieve health with them,
[6:08]not just achieve thinness?
[6:10]Can I throw one other thing in there that is not really reported?
[6:14]But I feel like they've really helped with like, perimenopausal symptoms.
[6:19]Well, perimenopause is generally a state of insulin resistance and big changes in hormones
[6:27]and this medication can really help people navigate this period.
[6:32]People may in perimenopause still need HRT to manage symptoms, but we're seeing them
[6:38]often paired alongside GOP ones now too.
[6:41]Okay.
[6:42]Just throwing that out in case somehow the medical community had missed it from...
[6:46]Well, listen, we miss a lot of things when it comes to women reporting, right?
[6:49]Yeah.
[6:50]And so I think it actually is important and it does need to be studied more, but we shouldn't
[6:54]be withholding it from women in this period when their body starts to change.
[7:00]I know firsthand how amazing this can be and not just the weight part, but the mind part.
[7:08]For me, that has been the most transformative, but I know you write about this in the book that
[7:12]suddenly, in fact, you have a section I found fascinating, which was how you used to be able to
[7:18]derive so much pleasure from food.
[7:20]And now you've kind of been robbed of the pleasure.
[7:23]Like food does not bring as much pleasure as it used to.
[7:26]And so you actually have a whole bulleted list of like what you can do for pleasure instead
[7:30]of just eating.
[7:31]But speak to me about that because that, yeah, tell me more about that.
[7:36]So in the book, I walk people through what I think are the important foundations of how
[7:40]to prepare yourself for this journey.
[7:43]So we have habit foundations, and we have food foundations, and then as you were talking
[7:49]about now, the thought foundations, and you need to be aware for how your brain is going
[7:54]to change in this journey.
[7:57]And we know that actually there are decreased rates of depression and anxiety on GLP1 medications.
[8:03]But what you're talking about is in the book, I discuss this concept of anhedonia, which
[8:07]is a subtle lack of pleasure.
[8:10]And most people find such joy that they are freed from constant obsession about food.
[8:17]The food noise is quieted.
[8:18]They're finally losing weight for the first time in their life.
[8:21]They are able to eat a variety of foods, and they're able to do the things that they
[8:25]wanted to do always.
[8:27]So most people find just they don't recognize this, but then for the people that only found
[8:34]their joy in excess eating of alcohol, like their whole social life is wrapped up into
[8:40]these things that they can't really slash don't want to are taken anymore.
[8:46]They can feel a little lost.
[8:49]And I do, in the book, advocate for before this journey even starts thinking about what
[8:54]you're going to do to fill that time and how are you going to even potentially reroute
[8:57]some of your relationship.
[8:59]So if your whole friend group only meets out at the bar for burgers and beer on Saturdays,
[9:05]is there something else you guys can do together where you still feel like you can partake
[9:10]and have fun.
[9:11]Or if your whole date night life with your spouse or significant other is just going
[9:17]out and eating and drinking, can you add bowling into that?
[9:20]Or can you do some other activity that's not fully centered or just going back to the
[9:24]basics of hobbies, which we all tend to let go of in adulthood.
[9:30]But can you pull out the cross stitch and the needle point?
[9:34]Can you do that instead of snacking?
[9:36]Like at night, your hands got used to reaching for popcorn.
[9:39]Well, let's fill that void so that you'll be able to make those connections near brain
[9:45]that bring you joy again.
[9:47]Interesting.
[9:48]Yeah.
[9:50]I feel like my hands didn't go to the popcorn anymore.
[9:55]It didn't even occur to me.
[9:56]And I thought what you were touching on as well was like...
[10:00]Whereas a cupcake might have brought me a 10 out of 10 on the joy, so now it's like a three and
[10:06]Sometimes that can feel disappointing like exactly reliably depend on a certain food to like give me a certain feeling and now
[10:13]It just doesn't which is fine. I mean oh my god. This is a small price to pay, but I just hadn't read that anywhere else
[10:19]Yeah, no, I mean that's the other side of it is that you have to be prepared for like what else brings you joy that you can
[10:25]Then get that same feeling from because it can be disappointing
[10:29]The enjoyment of food does tend to come back
[10:33]But it's never as robust. I mean that's actually the whole biology of waking is that our brain becomes damaged by ultra-processed foods
[10:41]And it's the same sort of brain damage that happens in addiction with alcohol and drugs
[10:46]And that's why this drug is actually effective treatment in those disorders too and so it's also
[10:52]Acknowledging that. Okay. This is not the medication works. I'm okay. I'm going to be okay
[10:58]I just have to find that sense of pleasure somewhere else
[11:02]Yeah, I also feel like and you talk about this in the book as well that like you can derail some progress if something
[11:10]Like catastrophic happens right like if you go through some sort of medical issue or a big loss or catastrophe or something
[11:18]That the medication is not like 100% foolproof. Yeah, no, it's not. It's not and I don't even think it's just catastrophes
[11:27]I actually just I always call them just changes and so I always put people on look out for anything that disrupts your routine
[11:35]So sometimes you look at so accustomed to the medication and the things that they've been doing and they're like, I'm good
[11:40]I'm golden, but if you let go of the foundational tools, which I talk about in the book
[11:45]Then you don't have your your safeguards up and yeah, everything can go crazy
[11:50]And it could honestly be a vacation. It could be just moving apartments
[11:54]It could be something that just makes it so that you no longer had your eggs for breakfast or you did you like let go of your food routine
[12:00]And then you're like well forget it and then that's the first red flag sometimes people start doing funny things like well
[12:08]I
[12:08]Know this was always gonna happen so I might as well just stop skip my medication this week or not take it or you know
[12:14]I'll just stop working out the it just it's funny our brain. I found in treating thousands of people
[12:20]It's always kind of ready even years after success ready to tell you
[12:25]I told you this wasn't gonna work. It's like a little devil in your shoulder like just go back to old habits, you know
[12:31]It's it's really wants to sabotage
[12:33]So I call them little red flags and the thing is to look out for when you stop doing the things that have kept you
[12:40]Sustained and your weight loss or on your weight loss journey
[12:43]You you have to stop doing inventory of your life when you're like wait a minute
[12:48]I'm not gonna talk myself out of blowing up my life. I'm just going to go back to the foundational habits and
[12:55]Try to go back to basics and then I'll figure it out
[12:58]What do you know about you know so many people want to be on this medication and it's not ensured for everybody yet
[13:05]And it's not in pill form yet. I heard that was coming. I don't know if that's true or not
[13:10]I don't know if insurance plans or changing sand like do you have any inside scoop on on what's to come
[13:16]Right now there is a proposed rule in Congress that would allow Medicare and Medicaid to cover GLP1 medications for weight loss
[13:23]They have been excluded from coverage
[13:26]since the early 90s when
[13:28]Medicare and Medicaid said we will never touch a weight loss drug and
[13:32]There we've been working really hard as a society and an organization to overturn this for the last 15 years
[13:39]We are at the farthest stage of this
[13:41]So if you would like to see more universal coverage
[13:44]Please call your Congress people and put support behind this
[13:48]I think it has a real shot of passing once the government starts to cover
[13:52]These medications then it will become more standard that insurance is must do the same
[13:58]We have to have some reform in this country about drug pricing and then
[14:02]the complicated middle-man structure of PBMs really drives up prices
[14:08]In Europe, it's about
[14:11]$100 to $200 a month in the United States. It's anywhere from by 50 to $1,200 a month
[14:17]Which is just unsustainable. Well crazy. I know
[14:21]But then I think about how much it costs to buy all the clothes and all the different sizes that I've been over 70 years
[14:28]It's true and most of my patients eat so much less and drink so much less out
[14:33]that they even pay out of pocket
[14:35]They save money, but it's really hard
[14:39]That's a lot of addition to think you know
[14:41]Yes, hard
[14:41]So we need to change that and one of the things that's happening on the pharma side is that the pharmaceutical companies are going after different indications
[14:50]So not just the weight loss. They're saying okay
[14:52]Well, we know that this improves sleep apnea
[14:54]So we'll get an it will get approval for sleep apnea or that there's cardiac risk prevention
[14:59]So we'll get that approval and we're just going to see more and more
[15:04]I think approvals outside of the scope of just weight loss interest because unfortunately we're very biased when it comes to weight loss
[15:11]And is there going to be a pill or no? Yes, we actually do already have a pill version
[15:17]Smagulotide, but they're more effective weight loss versions and more better tolerated that should be coming to the market in probably 2026
[15:26]And that hopefully will drive down costs, but don't hold your breath. Okay
[15:32]How do you feel about these medications for kids?
[15:36]While they are approved. I only treat adults
[15:38]So it's not my wheelhouse, but they are approved for specific scenarios in younger children. My take on this is that
[15:46]We really need to be
[15:50]Focusing on two things one making it treatment more affordable for those who are already suffer from obesity
[15:56]But then we really need to be getting to the root cause of what what haywire at about 1980 when obesity rates just
[16:03]Star rocketed and didn't stop and we need to put a lot of attention into our food source and our environment and
[16:11]Microplastics and all the things we need to be investigating exactly what we can change so that our children are living in a better
[16:19]Epigenetic environment
[16:21]But with that said for some children the genetics were just not in their favor and they are going to develop if they're on
[16:29]The trajectory to develop disease other diseases type 2 diabetes hyperlipidemia
[16:35]Fatty liver these medications are approved and our good choice
[16:40]It's hard. It's a hard thing to rock your head around
[16:43]But really under the guidance
[16:46]Of a pediatric obesity my doctor. It can be amazing
[16:50]You wrote in the book about your grandmothers and how until the end they were
[16:54]Confiding and trying all these things and I I could have written the same paragraph
[16:59]My grandmother was like going to curves and feeling bad about cake and like the whole thing
[17:03]It's like you know forever tell me about like your own family background and your experience with weight
[17:09]You know BC and where this like came from for you this quest of
[17:14]Helping stuff is my grandmothers. I mean I am I come from Eastern European
[17:19]Hardy Polish stock, you know, we're talking about something happened in 1980, but prior to 1980 still about 10% of the
[17:26]population suffered from obesity due to genetic reasons. I am part of that genetic pool like we just
[17:32]Look back at pictures. We're just made to survive tough winters
[17:36]And my poor grandmothers both of them
[17:40]It was just the constant it was constant. It's all they talked about
[17:44]you know
[17:45]It permeated every family dinner and event and they never shamed anybody else
[17:51]But it was just they felt such guilt for not being able to
[17:56]Figure this out and my one grandmother was a college professor
[17:59]My other grandmother had been on a diet since the age of eight and it was just constant and
[18:05]My grandmother who'd been on diet since the age of eight. She
[18:09]She developed cancer in her when she's about 80 and she got very thin from the chemo
[18:15]And she looked she was so sick and she was so sick and she actually said well at least I'm skinny now
[18:21]And I will never forget where I was when she said that to me. I was like what a sad thing
[18:26]And I'm so sorry you have lived with this your whole life
[18:29]She's kind of joking right and she didn't value it
[18:33]Wasn't the most valuable thing in her life, but she just had finally achieved it
[18:37]But it took her to get so sick to get there
[18:40]And they motivate everything I do
[18:43]Because I just because of them. I knew it wasn't for lackable power. They tried everything
[18:47]They tried everything and they were they were obsessed. They were constantly thinking about it in nothing works
[18:53]And they both went on to have chronic diseases that were tied to their obesity and in fact
[18:59]It wasn't the cancer that my grandmother died from but fatty liver and fat just kind of took over her liver and it was just so
[19:07]So sad and so for myself even though I grew up in that environment. I really
[19:12]I don't I'm not sure where it came from but I had a pretty healthy sense of just this is my body
[19:17]And I have to take care of it and I'm going to try not to be obsessive
[19:23]But of course there were periods of times when I remember when I broke up with my first college boyfriend
[19:27]And I got so skinny and I was like I look amazing right and they were like always trying to get back to that and how sad is that and
[19:34]What I
[19:36]Tell what I want to tell my kids. I have three boys and I just have a baby girl
[19:42]It's just all about making their bodies healthy
[19:45]You know my kids know what I do for living
[19:48]They know that we eat our proteins and we eat our vegetables and we eat our whole carbohydrates for energy and they are really interested in being strong
[19:57]And fast and for my daughter specifically
[20:00]I want her to hope she really inherits out from her brothers.
[20:02]And I think all girls should too.
[20:04]We should be strong.
[20:06]And we should try our best to stay where we are
[20:08]and what God has given us.
[20:10]And you know what, the earth has given us
[20:12]what do you believe in, like who we are.
[20:13]We shouldn't try to lose five more pounds
[20:15]or five more pounds.
[20:17]Because most of the patients who come to me,
[20:20]they have constantly, constantly yo-yoed.
[20:23]And that's in the title of the book,
[20:24]is these medications will help you end yo-yo-diding.
[20:27]That's how strongly I feel that yo-yo-diding
[20:29]is just, it's terrible for your health one,
[20:32]but it's terrible for your self-worth.
[20:36]And so trying to minimize that is so important.
[20:40]And that's really what I hope the next generation,
[20:43]we can teach them.
[20:44]Yeah, it's interesting.
[20:45]You said that story about your grandmother,
[20:47]because I remember so well my mother and her best friend.
[20:49]This is all they would talk about too.
[20:52]And you know sitting there and like smoking
[20:54]and eating the cottage cheese and fruit
[20:56]and you know going to guild as workouts.
[20:58]Sorry mom, if you're listening.
[21:00]No judgment, this is just, this is how it was,
[21:02]back in the day, not even so long ago.
[21:05]But I remember she, her best friend came over
[21:07]when she had cancer.
[21:09]And she was wearing like a bandana on her head.
[21:12]She'd lost her hair and her jeans were falling off her.
[21:15]She had lost all this weight.
[21:16]And I remember like it was yesterday I was like
[21:18]in the hallway and she opened the door
[21:19]and my mom was like, Sally, you look so good.
[21:23]And she was like, can you believe it?
[21:26]And I remember her spinning around.
[21:28]And both of them like checking out
[21:30]and how her butt was like so flat
[21:31]and her jeans are hanging off.
[21:33]And they were like laughing about it.
[21:37]And then she passed away.
[21:38]I mean, it's like terrible.
[21:40]You know, we all cope in different ways.
[21:41]But yeah, I think it was,
[21:43]it was a generational attitude
[21:46]and it got handed down to us.
[21:47]Yes.
[21:48]We're here to unravel it.
[21:50]Exactly.
[21:50]Oh my gosh, that's why we're still spending our days
[21:53]having conversations about this and doing all the good stuff.
[21:56]Just one more sort of technical question.
[21:59]If you are on this type of medication,
[22:03]I know your book really emphasizes the importance
[22:06]of nutrition and protein first
[22:10]and all these things.
[22:12]And then you gave me,
[22:13]you were so nice, the little care package of protein powder
[22:16]and electrolytes and I'll try to,
[22:18]I'll try to start doing this.
[22:19]I really should.
[22:20]That would be great.
[22:21]And I never have enough water.
[22:21]So I should do it.
[22:22]But you can kind of get away with not eating
[22:25]that healthy on this and still achieving the results you want.
[22:29]So how do you get,
[22:31]or achieving the weight loss?
[22:32]How do you motivate people to also eat healthily?
[22:37]That's a great question.
[22:39]I think this is why I'd like people to pick up this book
[22:42]and really read it because it's health.
[22:45]The first thing I'll have people do in the book
[22:47]is why are you doing this?
[22:49]And if skinny, if vanity, why is the only thing you can come up
[22:53]with, this whole journey probably isn't right for you.
[22:55]I really want you and to dig deep
[22:58]and to health metrics, right?
[23:00]And health metrics will still be impacted by how you eat
[23:04]and being strong and being able to get down
[23:07]on the floor through grandkids
[23:09]and walk up the subway steps, that's strong.
[23:12]That's not thin.
[23:13]And nutrition is a big, big part of that.
[23:16]Also, I know because your newsletter
[23:21]came out about your journey on this medication
[23:24]when I was writing a proposal for the book.
[23:25]And I was like, oh God, I can only hope
[23:27]that Sibil or maybe read my book, but I don't know.
[23:30]Oh, that's cool.
[23:31]I manifested it, but I do remember,
[23:33]I don't think you had such a great journey
[23:35]on the first med, right?
[23:38]And when people are armed with the right nutritional guidance,
[23:41]they generally minimize side effects significantly.
[23:45]And so knowing how to eat prioritizing hydration
[23:49]and electrolytes, getting your fiber in
[23:51]because it's really hard to eat your fiber
[23:53]at the beginning.
[23:54]If you kind of just start that way,
[23:56]there'll be a planned learning.
[23:58]The majority of people who come to me
[24:00]are pretty good eaters already.
[24:01]And so I'm not worried about most of my patients
[24:03]just eating french fries for sustenance,
[24:06]but really knowing some simple rules
[24:09]about getting your protein and how to count it
[24:13]and where's your fiber coming from?
[24:14]It will make you feel really good.
[24:17]I challenge you to suffice them
[24:18]to over a care package of our products
[24:20]that I've created for so well
[24:22]and it's fiber, electrolytes, and protein
[24:24]in like easy little stick packs.
[24:26]I challenge you to do it
[24:27]because what people will tell me is,
[24:28]I thought it was feeling good.
[24:30]And then you start doing these things
[24:31]that really amp up your nutrition and hydration.
[24:34]And I'm like, oh, I feel amazing.
[24:37]It's okay.
[24:38]Yeah, it's, you'll feel better.
[24:42]And really your whole, you know,
[24:44]the majority of people will have some underlying metabolic
[24:47]just functions.
[24:48]So remember, we need to minimize processed ultra carbs
[24:50]if we have insulin resistance for overall inflammation
[24:54]and cancer prevention.
[24:55]We need to minimize processed foods
[24:57]and increase our fiber.
[24:58]So I think we're so burned out of diets.
[25:02]Like my book, I was a cried when Amazon put it in the diet
[25:05]book category because this isn't a diet book.
[25:07]It's not a diet book.
[25:09]And I don't tell people how to diet.
[25:11]I just give some very simple food rules
[25:14]so that you can restructure your relationship
[25:17]with weight loss because most of us
[25:19]are just on these restrictive diets before.
[25:23]Tell, I didn't take it as a weight loss book.
[25:26]I mean, I'm no, thank you.
[25:27]I'm no answer.
[25:28]I'm just on that.
[25:29]Yeah, I know.
[25:31]They have their categorization though.
[25:32]It's just bonkers.
[25:34]So, you know, at least you're not in like, you know,
[25:36]12th century spirituality or something like that.
[25:38]You never know.
[25:39]True too.
[25:42]So in terms of like writing the book
[25:46]and getting it out there and taking the time,
[25:49]you have four kids, you're a doctor.
[25:51]I mean, when did you write this book?
[25:54]I wrote it very quickly because once I took the idea
[25:57]out to publishing world, they were like, okay,
[25:59]great, can we have this yesterday?
[26:02]And nonfiction books go out with a proposal,
[26:04]not the full book.
[26:05]But because I had created the program and the foundations
[26:08]and it's tried and true method in my practice,
[26:12]it was very straightforward to write.
[26:14]But yes, there were a lot of very early mornings
[26:16]and late nights with a brand new newborn baby.
[26:20]I will say, I feel like sometimes people stay in their life
[26:22]that something else takes over them
[26:24]and they're motivated by something else.
[26:28]I do think my grandmothers were with me in this process.
[26:30]Like, I do think somewhere it was like, okay, you can do this.
[26:33]Like, don't think too hard about it.
[26:35]Just sit and write.
[26:37]You have the knowledge and the story to tell.
[26:40]It feels a little out of body actually having done this
[26:43]so quickly, but I'm very proud of it.
[26:46]That's amazing.
[26:47]Whoever your grandma's name is.
[26:48]Louise and Marie.
[26:51]I know.
[26:52]I'm gonna cry.
[26:53]Doing the audiobook.
[26:54]I have a lot of multiple times.
[26:55]Every time I talked about them,
[26:56]I was like, okay, stop, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
[27:00]They would be so proud.
[27:00]I know they'd be so thrilled and so excited
[27:03]and that there's something and I just wish,
[27:05]and then many of my patients tell me, you know,
[27:07]I feel the same way.
[27:08]I wish this was here for my mother and my grandmothers
[27:11]and so thankful it's here for me now as a tool
[27:13]and it'll be, hopefully, it'll be different
[27:18]for the next generations.
[27:20]I can get ourselves out of this obesity pickle.
[27:23]Oh, well, hopefully your grandmas are hanging out
[27:26]with my grandmas and having so much fun watching us today
[27:31]and kicking it and drinking on chocolate or something.
[27:35]I don't know.
[27:36]Yes.
[27:37]I hope my grandmas are eating full-fat sweets.
[27:39]Yeah.
[27:40]That's how I hope they're sitting around enjoying it.
[27:42]Yeah, totally.
[27:44]Oh my gosh.
[27:45]Well, congratulations on the book.
[27:46]It's so important, such an important topic
[27:48]and I really had not seen something so prescriptive
[27:52]and helpful before, as opposed to just, you know,
[27:55]talking about the men's,
[27:56]but actually giving some guidance as well.
[27:58]So I found it absolutely fascinating, super useful
[28:02]and yeah, really appreciate it.
[28:04]Thank you.
[28:05]Thank you.
[28:05]Thank you for listening to totally booked with Zibi,
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