Pub day! Audrey Bellezza and Emily Harding, ELIZABETH OF EAST HAMPTON

[1:35]Zibby Owens: I'm Zibby Owens, and I am the host of this podcast, Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books. I am also a newly minted USA Today bestselling author of the novel blank and created a whole community of book lovers around this podcast, a publishing company, reading retreats, a bookstore, and more. Learn more at zibbymedia.com, or follow me on social at Zibby Owens, or join the community at Zibby Readers. Audrey Belletza and Emily Harding are coauthors of Elizabeth of East Hampton for the love of Austin book two. By the way, I will be at an event with Audrey and Emily. I hope you all will come. It is on August 9 at the Southampton Arts and Culture Center in the Hamptons. Audrey Pilezza is a two time Emmy Award nominated TV producer who has spent over twenty years writing, developing, and executive producing nonfiction television shows for a number of networks and streaming platforms. Audrey lives in New Jersey with her husband and two children. Emily Harding is a writer and TV producer whose work has appeared on numerous networks and websites. When not hunched over her computer perfecting her bad posture, oh my gosh, that maybe just stood up as I recorded this, she can be found losing another game of monopoly to her husband and two kids. Welcome back, Audrey and Emily, on moms don't have time to read books to discuss Elizabeth of East Hampton. Congratulations.

[3:00]Audrey Bellezza: Thank you so much. Thank

[3:01]Emily Harding: you. We're lovely to be back.

[3:03]Zibby Owens: I feel like this came out so soon.

[3:06]Emily Harding: I mean, I feel like we just talked about M F 83rd Street. Didn't it didn't that just happen? Like, when when did that come out? It feels like that? It does. Actually, it is I mean, we're recording this on the first birthday, Emma's first birthday. Oh. Mhmm. So it's been a full year. I know. It was lovely actually when we picked the, you know, we're like, oh my gosh. It's a what a what a wonderful way to celebrate because your interview last year was such a highlight of that whole experience for us. So getting to do this now is is incredible. Yeah. And it it is it was quick. And I think Audrey and I, you know, ignorance is bliss sometimes when you don't realize the the feet in front of you. But it it all worked out, and we couldn't be happier with it. So we're excited. Oh, amazing.

[3:46]Zibby Owens: Okay. Tell listeners

[3:49]Audrey Bellezza: what Elizabeth of East Hampton is about, please. Okay. Elizabeth of East Hampton is a modern retelling of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. It takes place during a summer in the Hamptons in New York, And it's about family and dating and a local bakery and the town watering hole and lavish parties and everything the Hamptons is about and love at first sight and earned love. And what happens when two guys from Manhattan come into this local community and kind of shake things up a bit. And it's about the the Bennett family, which people who know Pride and Prejudice will be familiar with. But there's a lot of twists and turns, and you don't need to have read Pride and Prejudice, but you'll recognize a lot of things if you have. Amazing.

[4:38]Zibby Owens: Well, my real name is Elizabeth, and I lived in East Hampton for many, many years. Like, my family, we from when I was, like, three years old or something until very recently. So I feel like this is actually my book. Yeah. Just so you know. I'm very excited to share it with, like, with my family. You. What did you think? How did we do? I mean, I'm not saying I'm like this character having read it. You know? But it's fine. You know? Anyway, it's just great. And I loved all the places, but you changed all the names and made them sort of fictitious. So I feel like the bakery is a version of Dreesons. Was that what you were going for? One of the inspirations. Yes. Yeah. Or Mary's marvelous or something like that. Or Yeah. We had we did a lovely trip out to the Hamptons.

[5:24]Emily Harding: Gosh. It was, like, two years ago now, wasn't it, Audrey? And we had similar a friend of of Audrey's showed us around. We met so many people from East Hampton Springs who really took us in and showed us. And, you know, as you're there, you're realizing you can never cover everything everything to really be authentic and to do it justice because there's so much history there, so many locals, so many layers to the, you know, their home. So we really had to make these amalgamations of of different, you know, hot spots in that to kind of so if you know East Hampton, you're like, oh, just like that. Like, that reminds me of so and so and so and so, you know, Steven Talkhouse or whatever it may be. I was about to say that. Yeah. It's not that because also it's its own character. So Yes. Yes. That was a balance to make. But I'm excited that you were able to pick those out, so that was nice. Well, yeah. Inspired by. Yes.

[6:15]Zibby Owens: Absolutely. And even I mean, this is something that so many people talk about, locals, summers, everybody is these monstrosities that are built and totally disrupt the landscape, these ugly, you know, ugh I feel mean saying ugly houses, but these just very attention getting there's one that just got built on our street, and we're all like, oh, are you kidding? You know? It's like, it just changes the whole thing, and, you know, they're usually see through. Right? So you're like Yeah. Why am I looking at this person in their you know what mean? It's so bizarre to have a see through life. And especially in such a, you know, a a community with, you know, just this lovely history that's supposed to be sort of understated and classic. And, anyway, no judgment, though, if you live in one of these houses, mazel tov, you know, whatever. But, you know,

[7:05]Audrey Bellezza: it just doesn't, like, go. Like, it would be better if they were in their own community. Right? And it all looks like that. But, anyway, I got off on a tangent. I'm sorry. No. What do you what do you think of the houses? I haven't seen it. Yeah. I feel like we we we found that. I mean, there's this sort of beauty to so many areas of the Hamptons, and some of these homes have been there for so long. And, you know, then there's the modern homes. And so I feel like we, you know, we we saw that. And I think that there's all sides to it. You know? There's the locals who've been there forever. Yep. Who are like, ugh. It's so annoying. These people are coming in. But then, again, it helps fuel business and, you know, keeps the economy going. And, you know, and then there's the people from New York and all over who come for the summer and have their home some of them own homes out there, so they consider themselves locals. So it's just different classes. There's different homes. There's different people. So it's such an interesting place to write a book about. Yep. There's just so many different characters and people and things you can focus on. Well, not not only do you have the character of the Hamptons, but you have so many. That's really an ensemble cast because the family is so big.

[8:14]Zibby Owens: Feel like that is hard to pull off. How in the writing did you do that? Like, did you have little cards headed about each character and the relationships between them? And, you know, what did the younger sister do? Like, at the farmer's market, there was something she like Oh, married with it. Was that right? Our environmentalist.

[8:35]Emily Harding: Yeah. Exact I mean, just like all the things and what the older sister would think of then. This and that. You know, like, just how did that all work? That again, ignorance is bliss. I think we were like, oh, it's you know, we know the story well enough that we'll be able to do this, but I think everyone else knows the story as well. So you have to do every character deserves its own spot. You can't do any gloss over anybody. And especially the sisters, you wanna give each one of them agency and have them be inspired by the original character, but also original in a way. And also, you know, what would they do now? They're not, you know, they're not exactly gonna be carbon copies because we're living in a different time. So we had in the first draft, I think each sister had a completely different personality than what is in there now. And as we were writing, we're like, oh, wait a minute. No. She wouldn't she wouldn't do that. She would be this would be who she is now. And so it really they all kind of organically grew out of what a real family structure would look like, which meant that I think maybe our second or third draft was huge. I mean, we were it was so over word count. We were like, well, how are we gonna do this? Because you wanna make sure each of them has that moment. But so we whittled it down, and there were some characters that we were okay. I think there were some characters we had to sacrifice a bit. And I think the Wickham character was a little bit like, you know, he was fine, but I'm like, you know what? He doesn't deserve that scene. Like, we that scene deserves to go to Lydia. So that's, like, that sounds like you know? So we're we had to make some choices, but especially the sisters and the locals. Mhmm. We didn't wanna make it was we were very careful not to make caricatures of anyone or the or the Manhattanites coming in. It was more of, like, each two groups are fundamentally misunderstanding each other in a lot of ways. Pride and prejudice. So we had to make sure that we were giving both their due. And tell me about these leggings

[10:14]Zibby Owens: that the mom makes.

[10:17]Audrey Bellezza: I'll let you do that. Well,

[10:20]Emily Harding: I so I lived in New York for a very long time, and I moved out of Texas a few years ago. And the the one cultural point that I encountered first down here was a lot of the moms do these mid level marketing schemes. And they're like, hey. And I'm like, oh, she's so nice. She's like, hey. Would you be interested in so and so, like, buying? And I'm like, they're all they're all very entrepreneur. Like, entrepreneurs are just amazing. And then you realize, like, oh, these are these you know, a lot of them some of them are legitimate. Some of them are just not. But it's a lot of women who just are stay at home moms who are looking for some extra income. But a lot of it becomes almost a caricature of itself. So I think we were like, you know, if miss if miss Bennett, her main motivation in the original book, yes, she wants to get her her kids married, but, really, it was about money. Yeah. So I think missus Bennett's, like, we when we really boiled it down to what her main motivation was in the original book, it wasn't getting her kids married. It was financial stability. She just wanted everyone taken care of. So if that was the case and nowadays, it wouldn't be to get her daughters married. She'd be out there hustling to make a living to for that financial stability. And what better way than to be the queen of mid level marketing schemes? So, that was where and then we just started thinking of I think we were just started looking at different different wands. We're like, what's the most ridiculous one we can think of? Bedazzled leggings. Yes. There we go. Okay. So that was it. Any prototype in the works? Do you have these?

[11:43]Audrey Bellezza: No. Coming. Coming? Coming. Yes. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe we should wear those. We should wear those off the Hamptons this summer. We saw that on our site. Yeah. Well,

[11:53]Zibby Owens: you'll definitely fly under the radar wearing bedazzled leggings and you know? You should talk you should do an event or something with Amanda Eyre Ward because her book Lovers and Liars, one of the characters is caught up in one of these marketing schemes, except she gets in such debt because it's actually like, they they keep making her not to talk about somebody else's book, but she has to invest as one of the salespeople in this team. And she ends up being in so much debt. She has to, you know it's it's like one great. Anyway, you do I think that I think that that would be a good pairing. You should all, know Oh my gosh. That's great. Alright. Hold on. I mean, write that down. I can just connect you on email or something after. Oh, yeah. Please. I feel like that would be a good conversation. So fun. So which one of you surfs if if either of you do? Because that felt pretty realistic.

[12:41]Audrey Bellezza: No? None of us are there yet? I don't think you're not Yeah. We're not. I'm a big snowboarder, but not surfing. But I did grow up going to the Hamptons and now going down the Jersey Shore. Okay. So I feel like we know the surfing we watch from afar, the surfing community, and I'm always impressed by the surfers. And I feel like both of our kids are like, we wanna surf. But, yeah, I don't feel like we we don't know how to surf. We don't know how to surf. I my kids have had a couple of surf lessons out in California,

[13:09]Emily Harding: and I knew their their surf instructor is a friend of a family friend. So the poor guy got some random emails from me. I'm like, you remember me from two years ago. But to be clear Yeah. I'm like, can answer some questions? Nice guy. So it was lovely. He he was kind of our my like, just to double check things. But, no, we didn't, unfortunately. I feel like every

[13:30]Zibby Owens: every Venmo sent by an author should be like, and I might be following up. Yes. That's

[13:37]Audrey Bellezza: true. Oh

[13:39]Zibby Owens: my god. Like an auto signature. You know? Like, you are now on my list of sources for material for my next novel.

[13:46]Audrey Bellezza: Yep. What we did that we were researching this. We do have a bunch of people that we just kept calling for things. Yeah. Really true. Oh

[13:53]Zibby Owens: my gosh. I'm always so interested in how two different people can write the same book. So how do you how did you two do this one? Well, now we have a bit of a a system because we we learned

[14:05]Audrey Bellezza: by happy mistakes with Emma and, you know, not all mistakes, all good stuff. But I feel like with Elizabeth, we were like, okay. We need we know our location. We know what book we wanna do. Let's go visit. So we went and we visited and we, you know, did all our research. And then we kind of do a lot of brainstorming on Zoom, and then we have, like, Google Docs, and we have a TV background, so we're used to working together in television. Yep. So we know how to kind of craft stories and and kind of set up episodes in our mind or chapters. And so we kind of go back and forth and assign them and then share them with each other and change things and make master documents. Like, we live on Google Docs. That's it. You know? And then I just have my headsets on all day. I'm just like, hey, Emily. Blah blah blah. Emily. We're just, like, talking to each other all day. Like, that's my top text person. That's more than my husband.

[14:56]Emily Harding: So yeah. Because we're just, like, in it all day. And you don't alternate chapters or anything? We do. We do. Yeah. You do. I think that's a sudden we we it's funny because we were just going back and looking at Emma, I think, at one point. And I was like, oh, that's right. We had assigned chapters, but I think as you do the revision, you realize and we learned early. It's like, just get that first draft out. Right? The first draft is alternating chapters. And then It's a mishmash. This book, especially, it was mishmash, and we're moving things. And one at point, like, we were calling it a beautiful mind. We're like, this goes here, and this is like you know, it's like this crazy, like, you know, mixing and matching of where everything goes. So that was that ultimate now we look at it, and I don't remember who wrote what chapter because it was it's a bit of everything. But to start, that first draft is Mhmm. Yeah. And half the time, you're like, oh, remember that thing we wrote for chapter four? We should move that to this section, and we should do and then Yeah. End of Yeah. Let's move this. And why is this happening here? And I think with the first book, we got or at least I got very precious about certain things, and you were like, I don't wanna change this. I wanna change this. And with this book, you're like, I understand the process now. This doesn't work here. We need to move this. This isn't important. Like, this is so I feel like that we figured it out even more with the second book. Amazing. Today's episode is sponsored by Quince.

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[18:56]Zibby Owens: So what is your what is your third book?

[18:59]Emily Harding: I'm assuming there's one. You don't know? Hopefully. We don't know yet. I mean, we do we have some ideas, but we have to, we're still having to talk about it. But I would love to stay in the Jane Austen world. Mean, I think that that's you're the more we read them and the more we get into it, we're like, these are so translatable to now. And I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but the fact that, you know, two hundred years ago, she's writing about the domestic life of women in a way that was compelling and we're still really relating to it in ways that hasn't changed much. Is that's the reason we get so many retellings, I think. And I think people the more we can do it and explore it, the more we can discuss why things haven't changed or how things will never change. So we're excited to stay in there as long as we can.

[19:40]Zibby Owens: You can do other authors too, other old, you know, from that time period. Know? Yes. Not like talking about just if you run out of Jane Austen material.

[19:49]Emily Harding: I would love I would love Yes. To be in I would love to run out of Jane Austen material. That'd be a great position to be in.

[19:55]Zibby Owens: What about destinations? Or maybe it depends on the plot. Probably, you'd have to see.

[20:00]Audrey Bellezza: I feel like we do love this New York world. Mhmm. So but then, you know, branching out a little bit, but we like I think we're you know, we both lived in New York for so long, and, you know, I feel like everything about the city, we kind of gravitate towards. So I think we'd like to stay in that coast East Coast maybe.

[20:23]Emily Harding: I think Yeah. To things. And I think it's also much easier and in a way that we didn't appreciate with Emma that New York really reflects that Regency England Mhmm. In a way that you have classes smushed together and then forced to interact. Because especially now in Texas, I realized they're it's very segregated. You have very, like, wealthy communities that do not wanna, you know, interact with anyone else, and people don't leave their small neighborhoods. So you don't have these kind of smashing together of of disparate economic socioeconomic Mhmm. You know, communities in a way that you do in New York. So I think that that's just a really interesting thing to explore via Jane Austen. And so I think that that we fell into that by accident, but Mhmm. It was a happy accident. So we're happy to continue to exploit it. What part of Texas are you in? Dallas. Oh, I was just there. I literally was actually so I was about to get in my car to come down and see you, and my daughter's like, are you coming to my orchestra show? And I was like, are you kidding me? And then I was like, are your final orchestra show? By the way, the kid's last day of school is today. It's not tomorrow. I just realized. Oh my gosh. You're so different up here. I'm so behind. Anyway but, yes, I was like We had a concert last night. You know, it's this time of week. Ours last week. Yeah. I just feel behind the eight ball, but she did wait until an hour and a half before. And I was like, okay. Great. Oh, yeah. Fantastic. You did not have a crisp white shirt. Yep. Oh, exactly. She's like, I have to wear all black. And I was like, white shirt, black. Nope. We don't have it now. Yesterday,

[21:49]Zibby Owens: we need black shoes. I was like, what? Wear. What? What? It's it's it's 08:30 in the morning. Like, I have I'm busy. No. No. Yep. We're all there. Desperate texts. Hey. Could someone find That's fair black speakers? Oh my gosh. Love parenthood. Love it. Love it. And then my daughter's like I'm like, oh, we're going to the dentist after school. And she's like, could you give me a little more warning? And I'm like, I completely forgot. Like, you think I knew? I didn't know either. You're lucky I even remembered.

[22:20]Emily Harding: That's why yeah. When they're like when they make requests about when they're reminded of things. And I was like, you're lucky I'm even you know, I made the appointment for you. I I feel like that. I'm like, you know Oh, yeah. It's Oh.

[22:32]Zibby Owens: How do your kids feel about your books?

[22:34]Audrey Bellezza: They love it. I feel like they they all think, oh, well, at least mine think, oh, I can write a book. Like, this is why can't I write a book? So, you know, they're both working on my son's working on a Hamilton book because we saw Hamilton, my little one, you know, for school. And then my older one is, like, trying to write fantasy novels. So they're all you know, I feel like they think this is a possibility, which is the coolest thing to Yes. You know, see your mom doing something or, you know, I had taking you know, when we first started writing, we couldn't get jobs because of COVID and, you know, there wasn't a lot of TV jobs, and we just kind of fell into this and started writing together and to kind of take a situation that wasn't so great and turn it into something that's amazing and and hopefully being kind of successful in it, you know, I feel like that's a great thing for our kids to see. So Mhmm. Yeah. Mhmm.

[23:23]Emily Harding: And it's also really nice and interesting that they my kids at least don't see it as a novelty. I think as we started when they were so young that it's like they're like, oh, okay. You got another book? Like, it's not it's it's just what mom does. And I think that that's lovely and also very humbling. You know what? You're like, no. You don't understand. This is really cool. And they're like, okay, mom. But I think there's it's it's interesting that they that's just who I am and what I do. And I I I think that is lovely because, yeah, like Audrey said, it's it makes everything that they wanna do more attainable, in a way that I don't even think they appreciate, but I think me and my husband definitely do. So Yeah.

[24:02]Zibby Owens: Even, like, access to other authors. Like, you guys don't understand. Yes. This would have been my dream come true. I mean, it's my dream come true now, but for them. You know?

[24:11]Emily Harding: So true.

[24:12]Zibby Owens: Are there books that do you have the same reading taste in books, the two of you? Yeah. I sometimes.

[24:19]Audrey Bellezza: Sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like there's so many little genres. So I think in general, like, my husband would be like, yeah. You guys read the same books. I'm like, oh, no. You know? I like magical realism, and Emily likes you know? So I feel like but they're all this know, there's all, like, you know, usually a happy ending and, you know, some kind of love story, I think, usually. But and I tend to gravitate a little bit more towards fantasy. But, yeah, I feel like but we do recommend books to each other and TV shows and, you know, just media in general. Like, you have to check this out. So I feel like we're kind of always recommending things to each other. Wouldn't you say? Absolutely. I think so. And I think there's always I think because we have a lot of overlap. The Venn diagram is is almost closed, but there are some things on the outskirts that we're you know, we don't share. But that's, I think, good because I find things via you that you would never that you know? So I think it's it's it's great. And I think the more actually, that we read similarly

[25:14]Emily Harding: and also apart, it makes what we're writing more interesting. I think, as we're coming up with other ideas that we wanna do in the future, you can see that we are evolving in what we like, but us coming together, it's really cool to see how it kind of evolves stories evolve together. And I think most writers I know I've I you know, I think both of us found writing because we were doing it on our own, and you're just talking to people in your own head. It's a very solitary exercise. And I think doing it with Audrey means we get to just brainstorm together. And really, just means it's like four or five hours on Zoom, like,

[25:46]Zibby Owens: just, like, chatting And about then I'm like, that was work, And it wasn't an entity. That's really important. So it's nice. You tell an old story, and then you're like, wait. Maybe we should use that. Yeah. Yes. People are gonna think, like, okay. I can't believe talking to you guys' work. This is ridiculous. I did so much work. What a great job. This whole thing is When is the gig going to be up? Keep

[26:09]Audrey Bellezza: it going. Keep it going. It's

[26:11]Zibby Owens: such a tough day. Have to have a lot of conversations with people I really like. Woe is me. I don't know. Really? Yeah. Yeah. It's rough and podcaster. So what advice would you both have for aspiring authors?

[26:25]Emily Harding: Gosh. I think the number one thing we have learned during this process is do not you know? And I think that we especially with Emma, is that you just write something. You're like, this is it. This is great. And I think that also means that a lot of authors, especially who are just getting into it, get really frustrated because maybe that first attempt wasn't exactly what they wanted it to be or something like that. And I think I think Neil Gaimans was asked how much of your first draft makes it into your final novel. And he's like like I think it was like 2%. Like, it's like there's not you know, you have to give yourself some grace. And I think that's the one thing I've learned through this process I would tell any author is, like, give yourself grace. Like, it's the first draft isn't supposed to be good. It's not supposed to be great, and your writing now is not gonna look like you're writing in a year. So just it's it's not a destination. It's a journey of being a writer and getting better and evolving. So just just keep writing. It seems very basic, but I think just that idea of just writing whether or not you think anyone's gonna read it, just write and you will get better and read as well, I think.

[27:26]Audrey Bellezza: And I feel like what we what I learned for this book too is that, you know, when you have beta readers, it's they're so helpful to have someone read them over. And I feel like we talked about this too, Emily, like that, you know, it's so helpful when people tell you what is wrong, but they don't need to give you suggestions on how to fix it. Like, they just need to be like, I don't get this part. So I think that's helpful. So when you, you know, give someone something to read, you're like, I don't want you to change this or I don't want your ideas, but I want you to tell me why this doesn't make sense. Just put a big, like, question mark or an x or something. Then you can say, oh, this this story is not making sense. I will fix it how I want, but I I wanna know that this isn't resonating the right way. So I feel like that we learned.

[28:06]Emily Harding: Yeah. Listen listen when tells you listen when someone tells you what's not working and then stop listening when they tell you how to fix it, I think is like what we had heard. And it's so true. It's like, you you will know how to fix it because you know your story better than anyone. But other people have that objectivity being like, this isn't working. And there were a couple of points in this book where we were like, it's fine. And your mom, Audrey Elizabeth, was like, this actually might not be working. And she was right. And we fixed this part, I think it you know, the book is a 100 times better because of it. Mhmm. So, yeah, that's really true. That is also good life advice. Right? Yes. Yes.

[28:38]Audrey Bellezza: Yes. That is you know what? That really is. Oh my gosh. That

[28:44]Emily Harding: hit hard on a Thursday morning. You're right. Thank you, Jesus. That's

[28:49]Zibby Owens: very true, Jesus. So what are the events? Like, where are you when is this coming out again? What is the pup date? Oh, August. Cook. August. Meanwhile, here my gosh. We're doing this so early. And meanwhile, we're talking about, like, the end of school, and people are gonna be like, what? We're going back to school. What are you talking about? That's so true. I know. Right? Actually, in Texas. Yeah. Yeah. Good luck going back to school, everyone. Sorry for this. Too late. In August, where are you going to be? Where can people find you?

[29:12]Audrey Bellezza: The Hamptons. We're going to The Hamptons. We'll be there. We'll be in The Hamptons. We're doing a lot of podcasts, and we'll be in Manhattan

[29:20]Emily Harding: and maybe California and definitely Texas. Yeah. Awesome. I think everything's still getting scheduled, but I would definitely check out our Instagram because we're gonna be posting a lot about different events we have coming up. But, yes, there's a signing in Manhattan on the week of publication. And then the that weekend of August tenth and eleventh ninth, tenth, and eleventh, we will be out in East Hampton and

[29:43]Audrey Bellezza: doing some stuff. So we're excited. Amazing. But if you go to audrey.anne.emily on our Instagram, we have everything on there. I feel like I follow you both separately. Oh, no. You do. I think you do follow separately, but I do also follow Do I? Okay. Good. I'll I'll I'll I'll double check. Yeah. I know. It's a little confusing.

[30:02]Zibby Owens: Our main thing is the Audrey and Emily. Okay. Sorry. I'll get there. If I'm not, I'll check again. Okay. Congratulations, Elizabeth of East Hampton. I appreciate the book for me. And, you know, I'm looking forward to, you know, letting them you already did the Upper East Side, so what can I say?

[30:20]Emily Harding: Okay. You've to give us the rest of your autobiography so we can figure out what the next location is. Yeah. Maybe Santa Monica? Could you do the book? We love Santa Monica. Yeah.

[30:29]Zibby Owens: Something with an s? I don't know. Okay.

[30:32]Emily Harding: Alright. Thank you, Sydney. Have a great weekend. Okay. Bye bye. Bye bye.

[30:37]Zibby Owens: Bye. Thanks for listening to moms don't have time to read books. If you love it, please leave a review and follow us on social at Zippy Owens and at Zippy Readers.