Emmy and James Beard Award nominated! Ali Rosen, ALTERNATE ENDINGS
[0:02]Hi, I'm Sivi Owens and I am the host of this podcast, Mom's Don't Have Time to Read Books.
[0:08]I am also a newly minted USA Today best-selling author of the novel, Blake.
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[0:31]Ali Rosen is the author of alternate endings. Ali is a best-selling author of novels and cookbooks,
[0:36]as well as the Emmy and James Beard award-nominated host of potluck with Ali Rosen on New York City life.
[0:41]NYC Life. Her novels described by the skim as a vacation between two covers
[0:47]are the instant Amazon bestseller recipe for second chances and alternate endings.
[0:53]Ali is also the author of three cookbooks, including the most recent 15 minute meals.
[0:57]She has been featured everywhere from the Today Show to The New York Times and has written for
[1:01]publications, including Bon Appetit, wine enthusiast, and New York magazine.
[1:05]She's originally from Charleston, but now lives in New York City with her husband, three kids,
[1:09]and rescue dog. She can usually be found wandering the Union Square Green Market
[1:13]or curled up in a chair reading a romance novel. This is her second time on the podcast,
[1:18]and you'll notice that we talk about the hotel slash castle where the book takes place.
[1:24]And in the episode, I'm pretty sure that I say how I'm definitely going to go there.
[1:28]And after I recorded it, I actually did book a vacation at this castle for my husband and my four
[1:34]kids and me in this coming August. And then a couple months later, I was like, what am I doing?
[1:39]We're not going to have fun there. So anyway, I canceled it because I don't think young kids
[1:44]can really appreciate, well, at least my kids are not going to appreciate sort of a dark
[1:48]scary looking castle, but I would. Anyway, I'll go another time perhaps. But anyway,
[1:53]enough of that. Enjoy the episode. Welcome, Ali. Thank you so much for coming.
[1:57]And mom said I have time to read books again. Now to discuss alternate endings. Congratulations.
[2:02]Thank you for having me again. So pretty. I feel like you just rest me for a second chance.
[2:07]Just came out. What are these six months apart? What's going on? It's insane. I did not write them
[2:13]six months apart. But yeah, that you know, you are also with Amazon publishing. So when they
[2:17]have a plan for you, this was their plan for me to put them right together. So wow, is it literally
[2:23]six months? It's literally six months. Yeah, the last one was November 1st. And this is May 7th. So
[2:29]but the next one will be a year. A year between them again. No one will have to hear from me again
[2:34]for a year. But a year is still soon. Very soon. Yeah. Well, I think, you know, the romance,
[2:38]I mean, it's it's amazing. Like the romance reading community is so
[2:43]gracious that they love having multiple books. You know, so they read one book and they say,
[2:48]well, where's the next one? So I think having two books out was the goal. And so hopefully people
[2:54]like it. Yeah, but I loved this book. It's so great. I found the characters so relatable and so very,
[3:02]very real. The way you write about marriage, divorce, custody, kids, career, like all the things,
[3:10]the interest is voice. I was just like nodding, nodding, yes, this, yes, this, like totally
[3:17]get it face-timeing at work, you know, with the kids and being like, oh, sorry, everybody for
[3:22]hearing my mom voice, you know, it's like the whole thing. Like right, the duality of being women who
[3:29]want a lot of things. I mean, which is kind of what your podcast is all about. I mean, it really
[3:33]it's into that of ambitious mothers who want to be, you know, have multitudes. I mean,
[3:40]which I think we all do no matter what path you're on. And so I think I'm hoping that alternate
[3:47]endings speaks to that for women who are just trying to succeed at all the things that they want
[3:54]to do, which I think we can do, but it's hard. And that like love and, you know, passion and all
[4:01]that stuff is still a part of moms, you know, it doesn't go away, you know, you still anyway. So
[4:08]no, it does not. And I think that that's something that, you know, I really, I was very thrilled
[4:15]that my editors and my publisher were going to let me write a slightly older heroine because I
[4:20]think, and I think romance is seeing that more now where it's sort of this romance women's fiction
[4:26]hybrid and women are allowed to not be in their 20s and be able, which again, I love romances
[4:34]with women of all ages, but I think it was especially refreshing for me to get to write a mother
[4:40]having a romance, which I think sometimes we don't get to see as much or it's like, she had a baby
[4:46]when she was 18 and now she's 24 and look at this single mom and it's like, okay, well, there's also,
[4:52]yeah, women who are older too. So, and I also loved her relationship with her, her sister-in-law,
[4:59]Beatrice is what's her name, Nita, Mona, Mona, Mona. And how sometimes even if the relationship
[5:06]doesn't work out, you can still love the family so, so much. And I think that's so important is
[5:12]that family comes in so many different forms and I think, you know, we're seeing a lot of books
[5:17]with found family in friendships, but I think it's also, you know, I have such amazing relationships
[5:24]with my in-laws with, you know, fourth cousins, twice removed. It just happened to be family.
[5:29]I mean, I think we sometimes, I love sort of showcasing, especially that, you know, Mona and Beatrice's
[5:35]son are kind of the same personality. And I don't know. I mean, having kids, one of the most delightful
[5:41]pieces of it has been seeing where your kids sort of take pieces from whatever member of your
[5:46]family they happen to get it from. You know, so it's not just the parents. So I kind of loved her
[5:52]living with these, like, two zay-me people who just happened to be the, you know, this aunt and
[5:57]son combo. One of my kids reminds me so much of my former sister-in-law. And I'm like, well, this is
[6:03]the coolest thing ever. You know, because I, I'm like, this is awesome. I've like created another
[6:10]one of my best friends. Just like you said in the book, there were so many things in the book where
[6:14]I was like, yes, this. I don't know. It just hit so home. Close it home for me. So I didn't even ask
[6:19]why don't you tell us there's what the book is about. So alternate endings is the story of Beatrice
[6:27]who, as we discussed, is getting divorced. She's trying to deal with custody of her kid with her
[6:32]soon to be ex-husband while she's also dealing with a job that she loves, but with a boss who's a
[6:38]little bit flighty and her boss has decided her boss's Irish and has decided to move, she's
[6:44]getting divorced. She's moving back to Ireland. And so B is going to have to travel to Ireland every
[6:48]other week, which completely upends her already very precarious custody scenario. And as this is all
[6:54]unfolding, the boy that she loved in high school is now that, you know, new CTO of her company.
[7:00]And so they sort of embark on this, you know, friends with benefits, what happens in Ireland,
[7:06]stays in Ireland scenario. And of course, nothing ever stays. And you know, it's really the story
[7:12]of two very type A people who, you know, want to keep control of their life and, you know, find
[7:19]that letting somebody in can still have control. You know, so it's a beautiful love story of kind of
[7:26]two people that maybe we don't get to see as much of who are a little quieter. And, you know,
[7:32]I think we often see these like, you know, really happy or really grumpy or, you know, all,
[7:37]you know, sort of these tropes of people and what I wanted to portray is that sometimes,
[7:42]you know, serious people need love to. And so it's, it's really her journey, but kind of,
[7:48]but allowing herself to open up and also come into her power as an executive and really sort of
[7:54]seeing her value in all the parts of her life, which I think is something we all struggle with. So,
[8:00]you know, I just adore her and I adore this book and her friendships. And it's, you know, it's
[8:07]really about taking a village, but also being able to kind of say what you want in all parts of
[8:11]your life, which I think we're great, by the way, that they have like a group talk from the bathtub.
[8:17]I mean, amazing. I want it again. I mean, it's it's a bunch of moms trying to find time. I mean,
[8:26]moms don't have time to read books. Moms also don't have times necessarily to catch up with
[8:30]their friends. I loved you posted recently about your old friends and not necessarily having the
[8:35]time to see them, but they're still the people that you turn to. And so I wanted to create a
[8:39]scenario for them of like when would these moms be able to chat because it's not going to be
[8:45]that every single week they're getting together and throwing a dinner at their houses. I mean,
[8:49]it's not. So yeah, they they have FaceTime calls in the bath.
[8:53]A lot of my friendship, you know, takes place over like group text. You know, I mean, it's,
[9:01]which of course isn't quite as dynamic in a book setting. But I mean, I think we all have these
[9:06]relationships that feel so core to our identities. And yet you might save yourself why I haven't even
[9:11]seen, you know, we live, you know, I live in downtown New York and they live in Brooklyn. And somehow
[9:17]I haven't seen them in three months. How did that happen? But it, but you're talking every day,
[9:22]you know, either a call on the way, you know, you're walking to something or you're texting,
[9:27]it's like you're involved in each other's lives in a way that doesn't require being physically
[9:32]together all the time. And I think it's important to showcase friendships in that way too because,
[9:38]you know, we have this sort of idea. I feel like it's that sitcom idea of like the neighbors
[9:44]across the hall who wander into your house. And I mean, that would be really nice. But most of the
[9:48]time it's, it's just the feeling of these people have my back. And if I needed them in a moment,
[9:55]they would be there. But we don't need to see each other every minute because we're involved.
[10:00]technology allows us to be involved. Yeah, so true. Well, I love that whole aspect of it and
[10:07]the friend who shows up right when she needs. I mean, because that's it, right? Like our friends,
[10:11]they'll be there when things drop out and you'll be there for them. And yet, I mean, I recently
[10:17]had, you know, a kidney stone was super fun and I had a friend. My son needed to get to
[10:21]chess at 7 30 in the morning and I had to stay overnight. I mean, I texted a friend and I just said,
[10:27]can you go to the house and get guy and take him to his chest thing? I mean, and she said,
[10:34]no problem. And she was there. I didn't have to think about it for a second. I mean, that's,
[10:37]that is what female friendship is to me is like knowing that you can say that and they will be
[10:42]there in a second. But yeah, you don't have to be with them every minute of the day. I think we
[10:47]actually don't give our friends enough opportunities to be there for each other. Like I like being
[10:53]there for my friends. Like if they need me, like I like to show them in my act, you know, in any
[10:59]way. And I just feel like we're also siloed off. I don't know, even though, you know, I think it
[11:05]works on every side of it when we ask for help and accept help and you know what I'm trying to
[11:10]say. Yeah, which we're not we are not good at. I mean, that's it's been the most beautiful part
[11:16]of having difficult things happen is seeing where people insist on stepping up because
[11:22]we don't say, you know, I need help. That's the hardest thing to say. Even though even though
[11:30]you would be the first to offer it and you know that they would be the first to accept it. But
[11:34]and yeah, we are like big medical things to do. Right. Like that's the last time I was like,
[11:40]all hands on deck. Like I'm blah, blah, blah, blah. But really it could just be a Tuesday.
[11:46]Right. It could just be like, I'm sad and I need you to bring me some bobca.
[11:51]Totally. And your friends will. I mean, that's that's the issue of it, you know.
[11:55]So yeah, I want to portray that too. Okay, wait. So thank you for taking us to your castle in
[11:59]Ireland. I really appreciate that. Take thanks for taking a ski shooting and all the things I've
[12:04]never done and the places I've never been. Why there? How did that happen? So I mean, I fell in love
[12:11]with Ireland the first time I visited. And a few years ago, we went on vacation. There's
[12:16]this, you know, you can visit Bridget's castle. It is a real place. It is based on a hotel called
[12:22]Ashford Castle. And I went to get where planning a trip this summer. And I'm like, maybe I'll go to
[12:27]the castle in this book. So who Ashford Castle? It was it was just and especially with kids. I mean,
[12:33]it was it just felt magical, but it also felt like a home. I mean, and that was sort of the thing.
[12:39]it's it's very rare. I find to go to a hotel that really feels homey. And it just stuck in my brain
[12:46]of like, wouldn't it be so funny? I mean, we all know these extra, you know, New York women that have
[12:51]worked their whole lives and or a little bit extra. And I just was like, I feel like I know this
[12:55]type of woman who would just be like, you know what? I'm done with New York. I'm going and I'm
[13:00]gonna buy this like this castle. And Ireland, you know, funnily enough when we were there. I mean,
[13:05]Ireland, there's a line in the book about, you know, they built like so many castles. I mean,
[13:10]there's like, there's more castles in Ireland than anywhere else on earth. So people really do buy
[13:14]them renovate them and have them as private homes. So it's not, I mean, it's unrealistic in a certain
[13:20]sense. But it's it's not a thing that could not be done. So yeah, bridges sort of miniature castle
[13:26]in Ireland is is really my dream version of if somebody took over Ashford Castle for themselves.
[13:32]But yeah, I mean, I just I loved the idea of having this woman get, you know, a time to herself
[13:39]in kind of a magical place that sort of yanks her out of her everyday life. And then sort of through
[13:45]all the beautiful places. I mean, the skeet shooting and the going fishing and I mean, the,
[13:50]you know, seeing baby sheep being born. I mean, these are kind of all things as a tourist that you
[13:54]can do in Ireland. So I just, you know, I think Ireland is just one of the most beautiful places on
[14:00]earth and the vibrancy of it, the green event. I went to college in Scotland. So I always sort of felt
[14:04]like Scotland, Ireland, they're going, they're so similar. You know, and then you go to Ireland,
[14:09]you're like, oh my god, I mean, Scotland is very green. But Ireland is like Technicolor green. I mean,
[14:15]it's just it's it's such a beautiful place. So it felt like just such a delightful place to set
[14:23]a book and kind of create this magical but realistic place for this woman, you know, because again,
[14:30]it's not a story with magic. It's meant to be grounded in reality. She's meant to be very grounded
[14:35]in reality. But I wanted to give her a real place that could feel a little magical and that sort of
[14:41]what that part of Ireland did for me. But then you show her on the plane. Do you know, like, you're
[14:46]not just like, it's not a movie where you're like one second you're here and then you're in this
[14:50]new place. It's like, no, now I have to like go to package claim and you know, not baggage claim
[14:55]because like watch act. But you know, I mean, yeah, and running into this guy, you know, it's like
[15:00]and that's I mean, it's the logistical piece of it. I think is so funny because I mean, I listen,
[15:04]I love an escapist romcom, you know, I think a lot of people watched Irish wish and they were like,
[15:09]oh, that's really fun. But I mean, I don't think Lindsay Lohan had any scenes in the airport,
[15:14]you know, in that whatever movie, I mean, but you know, there's a logistical component to if
[15:20]you travel. I mean, as you are seeing on your book tour right now, I mean, if you are constantly
[15:25]traveling, that piece of it is exhausting. So it's balancing the magic with just her day-to-day of
[15:31]like what's happening with her son. And I mean, one of my favorite scenes is like she lands in
[15:36]Ireland and her sister-in-law is like still awake from the night before because of the time
[15:40]difference. And it's just like, you know, and her sister-in-law is single and out on a date. And she's
[15:43]just like, oh my god, you know, what is my life right now? But you know, so it's the logistical
[15:49]mess of it. And you know, some non-magical things happen in Ireland too. I mean, she's certainly
[15:54]but it's, yeah, it's giving her a setting where things can be beautiful. If you, you know,
[15:59]and the New York scenery of it all, I mean, it's set in the East Village. It's kind of this
[16:04]dream of a townhouse. It's dream or a nightmare because she shares a townhouse with her ex-husband,
[16:08]you know, like she lives above and he lives below. But yeah, trying to find the magic,
[16:13]because listen, like right now walking around New York, you have all, I mean, it's spring,
[16:16]this all the flowers. I mean, it is magical, but it's also the day-to-day directory too. So
[16:21]it's finding that balance. Now I love them. I was surprised that there wasn't more food.
[16:28]I was expecting, you know, with your career and your previous book and all the rest. I'm like,
[16:33]okay, okay, I'm going to try not to be too hungry when I start reading this book.
[16:38]But there was an absence of that. Tell me about that. It must have been a conscious decision.
[16:43]Yeah, I mean, you know, it's interesting in conversations with my editor. You know, I've been like,
[16:48]okay, I want to do another food book, but it's also, you know, I don't want to just write
[16:54]chefs and recipe writers and women like that. So I, yeah, there's food in the book and there's
[17:00]still recipes in the back of the book. But, you know, she doesn't have a connection to food
[17:05]in the same way that Stella and recipe for second chances did. So there's definitely food described,
[17:12]Irish food. I think people don't realize the food in Ireland is really unbelievable, especially
[17:18]like the seafood in the dairy. I mean, just fantastic. But, you know, she works at a tech company. She's
[17:23]not a major foodie. And you know, she has one of her friends, cooks for her a fair amount. And so,
[17:30]you know, we see food food is fair. I'm not saying it's absent. I just thought it would be like a
[17:34]major. It would be everywhere. Yeah. I think, you know, I have to give it another book. I mean,
[17:41]I am noodling on a book about a chef that, you know, upscons back to Italy. That's my,
[17:48]that's in my head. But yeah, you have to blame my editor for that because she doesn't want me
[17:54]to get pigeonholed. So interesting someday. We'll write about food again. But is here. So I know you're
[18:00]also at little, you're at Little A exam right now. I'm not like, yeah, also. But is Carmen
[18:06]your editor or not? You have a different editor. My editor is Lauren Plude and I adore her. And I
[18:11]I trust her. And you know, it's, it's a funny thing when you're a writer and you want to
[18:15]write what you want to write, but you also have to recognize. It's a market is what it is and
[18:20]setting you up as an author. And I felt very grateful. And I don't know if you felt this way with
[18:25]your Amazon team. But you know, they have a vision of wanting to have a long-term career, you know,
[18:32]and that's my hope is people love these books and that I can deliver that to people, you know,
[18:38]hopefully on an annual basis. Well, I am going to read anything you write. I let, no, it's
[18:45]I'm serious. I'm like, they're your voice. It's your subject matter. You know, the way you,
[18:52]I don't know. I just, I love it. And where are you going to take me? What if somebody just lived
[18:57]a life where like all they did was go on, like follow the characters that an author writes, you know,
[19:02]what would that life be like? Oh my God. Well, I mean, if you like, you don't hold a brand, I guess
[19:06]you just live on and tuck it. Yeah. You know, there's some, I mean, there's some others that,
[19:10]yeah, just speak to a specific place. And I love that so much. But I also, I feel like
[19:18]it's so special to be able to travel in books. And I think especially in the romance and women's
[19:25]fiction space, I think that's, you know, we're not getting a historical story. We're not getting,
[19:30]you know, we're not learning sort of through that. So I think learning through place and seeing
[19:33]other cultures and, yeah, and just dreaming of travel. I mean, as you said, it's like you read it
[19:37]and you're like, I, I really would be a fun place to go this summer, you know. So yeah, I mean,
[19:43]my, I'll have another third book coming out next year. And that is a little bit London. So,
[19:50]and then yeah, hopefully the, hopefully the, let me go back to Italy. That's really my,
[19:54]that's my next. So wait, hold on. I'm getting confused now. So you have alternate endings,
[19:57]which obviously is out now. Coming.
[20:00]that when this airs and everything.
[20:01]So then your next book is what?
[20:04]It's not the one in Italy.
[20:06]That's the fourth book?
[20:08]No, that's my theoretical fourth book.
[20:10]That's what I'm going to write it.
[20:11]No, that there will be a third book coming out
[20:13]in spring of 2025 and that book is London.
[20:17]It's a little bit, I want to say like,
[20:20]dear prudence slash, you've got mail,
[20:23]mistaken identities, a therapist in therapy
[20:26]between New York and London.
[20:27]So that one will go.
[20:29]Do you have a title?
[20:30]We don't have a title yet.
[20:31]We have some ideas for titles, but of course that I feel
[20:33]like that becomes a marketing question.
[20:35]And I'm really bad at titles because I always
[20:38]want to do something like that to me is funny.
[20:41]I'm like, oh, this is like, you know, this song
[20:43]and it's a funny pun on that.
[20:44]And everyone's like, nobody knows that
[20:47]on a differento song that you did really funny.
[20:50]And I mean, ever so I'm also grateful
[20:53]to the Amazon marketing team for making sure that my titles stay
[20:58]so no, that one not yet.
[21:01]But yeah, the goal is just to keep,
[21:03]I mean, I just find as a writer, it's such a like,
[21:06]what a joy to be able to sort of escape into these worlds
[21:09]and get to travel again, you know, through your writing.
[21:14]I mean, especially like you're sitting
[21:15]in the doldrums of New York in January
[21:18]and you're like, I'm going to go to the, you know,
[21:19]green summer in Ireland.
[21:21]I mean, it's why we read.
[21:23]I mean, and it's I think why a lot of people write.
[21:25]I love getting to see the world through reading.
[21:31]And I'm lucky enough to get to travel a lot
[21:33]in my regular life because that's both my husband
[21:36]and I just prioritize that overall things.
[21:39]And so, you know, I want to give people that escape too.
[21:43]I mean, it's why I read, you know,
[21:46]to sort of get to live in someone else's world
[21:49]for a little bit.
[21:50]Does your husband read your work?
[21:53]No, he has no interest in it.
[21:54]He's a nonfiction person.
[21:56]And it's really funny because a lot of, you know,
[21:58]recipe for second chances sort of came from this idea
[22:00]of the way that my husband and I met.
[22:02]It's not our story, but little pieces of it are in there.
[22:05]And so he's always like, you know, he's like,
[22:07]people love Samuel.
[22:09]So they love me.
[22:10]I'm like, you don't even read it, you know, like not.
[22:14]But no, I mean, it's funny because I, you know,
[22:17]like the people that I am closest to are not fiction readers.
[22:21]So it's really funny.
[22:22]Like my sister and my husband,
[22:24]me, my mom read it, which I was like, you know,
[22:27]she's like, I'm really excited about alternate endings.
[22:29]I'm like, oh great, it's sexier than the last one.
[22:31]Can't wait for you to read it.
[22:33]But yeah, it's funny.
[22:34]You know, I'm, as somebody who loves to read,
[22:37]I really hate when I feel obligated to read something.
[22:40]So I'm just, I'm very big on saying like, support me,
[22:44]you know, show up at things and be a cheerleader,
[22:47]but can't nobody.
[22:49]We don't, I mean, we don't have time, right?
[22:51]So like, like read what you enjoy.
[22:53]I mean, this idea of reading out of obligation.
[22:57]I mean, which is how a lot of people end up not reading.
[23:00]It's like, oh, I should be reading.
[23:02]Just pull up surprise winning book instead of this romance book.
[23:06]I mean, it's like, I don't want to do it.
[23:08]So I'm, yeah, I wouldn't make anyone read anything.
[23:12]And also like, I'm very lucky.
[23:14]There is a large audience for the type of books I'm writing.
[23:19]So I don't need my husband to buy my book.
[23:23]Sounds good.
[23:24]I know I can't tell you how many times I've had conversations
[23:27]with people who are like, have you read like such and such a book
[23:29]that's on the bestseller list or one, some prize or whatever?
[23:33]And they're like, you know, I've tried to get into it like four times
[23:36]and I'm like, stop trying to get into it.
[23:38]Like, it's okay.
[23:40]It's not for you.
[23:41]That's fine.
[23:42]Like, you know what?
[23:43]If there are a million books out there, like just, it's okay.
[23:47]Put that one down.
[23:48]And that's what you do that I think is so brilliant as we've kind of,
[23:52]we've gotten into this like vortex of these are the books.
[23:56]And, you know, this shows up online.
[23:58]And that's what people are reading.
[23:59]And you want to post that you're reading it to.
[24:01]And I mean, there are just so many books.
[24:03]I mean, if you have, you know, particular types of books
[24:06]that you like, the quality and quantity of books that exist is so much more
[24:13]than what you see on, you know, the top of a bestseller list.
[24:17]I mean, so it's, it's fascinating to me when people sort of read,
[24:21]I mean, reading is such an internal, you know, solitary pleasure.
[24:25]It's like, why are you reading for something?
[24:27]I mean, if you want to know about the book, okay, you know, get the clips notes.
[24:30]But I mean, for actual spending your own time, read it.
[24:34]I mean, read what you enjoy.
[24:36]And every time I do the, every time I'm like, oh, everyone told me,
[24:39]I have to read this book and it's not probably not for me.
[24:42]But I'm always like, why, you know, why didn't I just pick up, you know,
[24:47]another, like, Lin-Panger book and laugh my ass off while I'm just living my life, you know?
[24:52]Like, that's what I want to read, you know?
[24:55]So I don't know.
[24:57]Yeah, it's, but I, you know, reading has some hold on people where it's supposed
[25:01]to be like big and important.
[25:02]Like they'll turn on real housewives, but then they'll make
[25:05]themselves read like what the nominee for the book or prize.
[25:08]And it's like, yeah, the whole entertainment, you know, enjoy it.
[25:11]You just get rid of all the shits, you know, plus all the other books
[25:15]that you're reading anyway.
[25:17]Yeah, I mean, well, it's, I mean, it's, yeah, we, you know, this is, I mean,
[25:24]the giant topic of, of all readers, but yeah, but it is so important.
[25:28]And that is why it's good to have a podcast where we can talk about lots of books and
[25:33]have people listen.
[25:34]So who, people who are listening, let this be a lesson to you, put down the books that
[25:39]you just can't get into.
[25:40]It's okay.
[25:41]I mean, just right.
[25:42]And I feel like your podcast is so great with that, where it's like, you can listen to,
[25:47]you know, you have so many authors on, you can listen to the episodes where it's like,
[25:51]oh, I'm interested in that book.
[25:53]Well, that one maybe not.
[25:54]I mean, and I think that's, you know, reading should absolutely be about your choice,
[25:59]you know, so I think that's, it's just such a, a beautiful thing that you do by giving
[26:03]a platform to so many different types of authors and then letting people decide what
[26:07]they want to read rather than just, you know, we have X column inches in a, you know,
[26:12]newspaper to say, this is, this is what you should be reading.
[26:15]I mean, it's a great, all right.
[26:18]Well, Ali, thank you so much.
[26:20]I'll turn it ending.
[26:21]So exciting and congratulations, really, really great.
[26:24]It's great.
[26:25]Thank you for having me on again.
[26:26]And thank you.
[26:27]I mean, congratulations on blank.
[26:28]It's just, I just have to say I adored it so much.
[26:32]I was kind of the same thing.
[26:33]I found myself laughing at so many moments of like, oh, yes, and I'm just,
[26:37]I mean, all of your book touring and I'm just so happy to see so many people reading it
[26:44]and loving it because I was so lucky to read it early.
[26:46]And I just, it's such a delight to see when people find a great book.
[26:51]So congratulations.
[26:52]Thank you so much.
[26:53]Thank you.
[26:54]All right.
[26:55]I'll have to see you again.
[26:56]Bye.
[26:57]I know.
[26:58]On to your next.
[26:59]Good luck with your travel.
[27:00]Thank you.
[27:01]Thank you.
[27:02]You and Charleston.
[27:03]I'll wave forward.
[27:04]Okay.
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