Pinky Cole, I HOPE YOU FAIL: Ten Hater Statements Holding You Back from Getting Everything You Want
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[0:31]Pinky Cole is the author of, I hope you fail, 10-hater statements, holding you back from getting
[0:36]everything you want. I have lots of video-real clips for this, by the way, so check it out on
[0:42]at Mom's Don't Have Time to Read Books, and you will see more and more about Pinky.
[0:46]Pinky Cole Hayes is a Jamaican American restauranter, author, community activist, and owner of the
[0:51]Sledy Vegan Restaurant Chain and Bar Vegan in Atlanta, Georgia. Pinky is a culinary disruptor in the
[0:57]industry, transforming America's view of plant-based fast food and striving to make plant-based
[1:02]eating delicious, accessible, and enjoyable for vegans and flexitarians alike. In addition to her work
[1:08]in the food industry, Pinky is also a philanthropist and head of the Pinky Cole Foundation,
[1:13]which is committed to uplifting marginalized and underrepresented communities
[1:17]and breaking the cycle of poverty by providing access to resources and education to pursue
[1:22]their entrepreneurial goals. Pinky has been named to restaurant hospitality's 2021
[1:27]power list, Forbes Next to Thousand Entrepreneur Magazines Top 100 Powerful Women in Business
[1:32]List, LA Wire Influential Women of 2020, PETA's 2021 Most Beautiful Vegan Celebrities List,
[1:39]who knew, and Atlanta Business Chronicles 40 Under 40 List. Most recently, she has been included
[1:45]in the 2023 Time 100 Next List. In November 2022, she released her first cookbook,
[1:52]Eat Plants Bitch, a compilation of 91 vegan recipes, plus a selection of tips and tricks for
[1:58]vegan cooking and other plant-based substitutes. Welcome, Pinky. Thank you so much for coming on
[2:03]mom's and her time to read books to discuss. I hope you fail. 10 Hater statements holding you
[2:09]back from getting everything you want. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. I really love this
[2:16]book, both as a guide. I am an entrepreneur as well, so all the entrepreneurial advice and statements
[2:22]and the success and the failures and all that, but also your personal story, which was so inspiring
[2:30]and, you know, and of course, the way you flip everything on its head by putting it in the
[2:33]negative, you know, you hope someone cheats on you and all of that. That's great. Genius, love it.
[2:38]We need a new kind of advice book. It's good, fabulous. One of you tell listeners a little bit
[2:43]about the inspiration for this book and what you wanted it to be. You're doing a million things
[2:48]and now this. So why? You know, it's funny. I have never called myself an author. I never imagined
[2:55]that I would write books, let alone sell them and share my testimony with other people. So it's funny
[3:02]because I was the commencement speaker for Clark Atlanta University, my alma mater two years ago.
[3:08]And the theme of my speech was I hope you fail. And I can remember telling the president of the
[3:14]institution. And he was like, you sure what I told you? And I'm like, yeah, that is what I want to do.
[3:18]And I wanted to talk about my experience navigating through college and then going out into the real
[3:24]world, right? As the queen of the school, I had all the accolades, all the things that you could
[3:30]think of, but I couldn't find a job. And then as I maneuver through life, I started a business,
[3:35]I lost it. Car got repo, got kicked out of my apartment. We just got going on just like all of the
[3:40]things that you could imagine could happen to a person that is walking through life for the first time,
[3:46]right? Happened to me. But what I realized is, okay, I can reverse engineer all of this negativity
[3:53]and make it positive by just training my mindset to do so. And when when I identified that I could
[3:59]do that, I'm like, I could put this in a book like this is just bigger than a commencement speech.
[4:04]And when I put the book together, it really came from a vulnerable place. I have been through
[4:09]a lot, right? And when I say a lot, I've had the highs. I've had the lows, everything that you could
[4:13]think of. So I believe that my story is a quintessential example of what it looks like to triumph
[4:21]in spite of the tribulations. And that's literally what this book gives. Just like you said,
[4:25]it's a guide. It's a blueprint. And it's practical. It's not one of those books that's going to
[4:30]have like 500 pages. And then you don't understand. You got to re-cliff notes. This ain't that.
[4:33]What this is is something for you to make you feel better on a cloudy day and just really give
[4:38]you a roadmap. How to just re-engineer your mindset on on negative situations.
[4:44]It's amazing. You do this all the time, not just in the book. Even on social, you had a video that
[4:49]you posted, which I absolutely love. And I was like, I have to do something like this for you. Just
[4:52]hold up papers. And you're like, yes, you know, I've raised $25 million and I've been on these
[4:57]magazine covers. And you know, the time is 100. But I've had so many failures along the way.
[5:03]Talk about just a couple of the obstacles that you felt like were insurmountable at the time
[5:08]and yet somehow you forged through. You know, it's funny. Yeah, I always tell my friends when I was
[5:13]a kid. I'm like, I want to be famous. I want to make it. But I never knew making it and being
[5:18]famous is successful. Can we get ensued? Right. And my lawyer's hate when I talk about this. But
[5:24]I feel like it is necessary because as an entrepreneur, when you continue to elevate in your career,
[5:30]there are things that are going to happen. Some of them include litigation. Right. And a lot of
[5:35]people shy away from talking about that. But like, I'm an open book all the way. I've even
[5:39]loved me to leave me alone. And I feel like it's important to share these things in my expenses.
[5:43]So that somebody else can avoid going through the same thing that I did. But I feel like one of the
[5:47]hardest things and my growth and elevation as a restaurant tour and an entrepreneur was getting
[5:52]sued. Right. Like I was watching the Golden Globes. And then when a Golden Globes came off,
[5:59]I was here like news. And I was learning. I was learning the information just like everybody else
[6:06]at the same damn time. And I'm like, hold up. Wait a minute. So not not only was I pregnant,
[6:11]right? Okay. So, you know, being a mom and an entrepreneur is like, that's a whole
[6:17]another job description in itself. So I'm hormonal. I'm emotional. I'm also curious because I'm trying
[6:23]to figure out what's happening. But then I also have to lead a team. And then I also have to feel
[6:27]like find out what's happening. Then I also have to talk to my lawyers. Then I also have to
[6:32]shut up because they don't want me to talk about it. But I'm also very vocal and transparent.
[6:35]And I'm like, well, what is it that you want me to do? So that was the first time in my life.
[6:41]Not to mention, I was slated to go in a big TV show and they pulled it because of all the
[6:45]headline news and I was really pumped about it. But I can freely speak about this now. And hopefully
[6:51]anybody that's watching this kid just say damn like, this is just another example of I hope you
[6:56]fail. I hope that things happen to you so that you can re-engineer it and think about the positive
[7:02]and find a way to get better from that situation. And that's what I did. I have a policy. And that
[7:07]policy is when shit happens, you put policy in place. And although we moved to best practices before,
[7:13]I really make sure that we move in best practices. Now, I hired about a HR team. I actually hired a
[7:18]firm. So now that I can hold a firm accountable, right? So like it's not on the eternal company
[7:23]when something goes wrong, right? Then I made sure that I focus more on employee initiatives and making
[7:28]sure that they're happy in the workplace. This one thing, they just show up the work. But I
[7:32]you're gonna be happy when you come work with me, not for me, right? So a lot of learnings along
[7:37]the way. But this is also described in the book, right? So like when those negative things happen,
[7:42]it's a lesson learned. And it just really builds up your testimony so that you can share it with
[7:46]somebody else. It doesn't feel like that at the time though. It feels just pretty terrible.
[7:50]No. It's messed up. If I could say it in the nicest way. But guess what? When you look back at
[7:57]it, let me tell you something. When I look back over my life, I'm like, you know what,
[8:01]I'm really glad that relationship didn't work out because I wouldn't have found my night in
[8:06]shining armor. And got married. I, this is a mom podcast. I can talk about this. Do you know
[8:11]that a doctor told me that it was going to be difficult for me to have children? And I've tried
[8:16]before I met my husband. And now I can't stop having kids. I had three kids back to back. I had a baby
[8:22]21, I had a baby in 22, I had a baby in 23. And now I can not stop having kids, but I needed to
[8:28]go do that bad relationship. So I can identify what it is that I wanted, what it is that I didn't
[8:34]want. So now here, I am, I'm like, this is the best person for me. Like I literally, this is my mirror
[8:41]here. But it took for me to go through some bad relationships. So again, the book also talks
[8:45]about that, which is, which is why it's so near and dear to me, you know, I did a cookbook before.
[8:49]And the cookbook was cool. That was fun. But this really was like my journal that I got to tell
[8:54]my story and be like, auntie pinky so that I can tell people like, all right, this is what it is,
[8:59]no chase in no scroll. I love that. You also really talk about listening to yourself, right? You
[9:05]wanted the name for a study vegan. And everybody told you not to have the name. And by the way,
[9:09]a lot of people told me not to name this podcast, mom's in her time treat books. They're like,
[9:13]that's so long. No podcast names are that long. And what about all the other people? And I'm just like,
[9:19]you know what? If I get all the moms in the world to listen to this, I feel pretty good about that
[9:23]market size. You know, it's the, anyway, people are always saying, like, they have better ideas.
[9:28]And I'm like, okay, well, let's see your better ideas. And in your book, you were like, I don't
[9:32]remember any of the other names. You were like, I can't even remember what they wanted me to call it.
[9:36]And I love that. You just stuck to it. And you did it. Yeah, you know, it's interesting.
[9:41]Let me be in a such a racing name and racing concept, right? So from the names of my burgers to,
[9:46]I have a cup that says drink the fuck up, right? But it's not the cursing. Okay. But
[9:53]I realized that nobody is going to do your vision like you can do your vision, right?
[10:00]Everybody will have their opinions,
[10:02]but the reality of it is,
[10:03]is people project their own fears, right?
[10:07]Their own insecurities on you
[10:09]because they aren't brave enough to do it themselves.
[10:12]So my father always told me nothing beats trial,
[10:14]but a failure.
[10:15]If it fails, at least I tried, right?
[10:18]And if it works, then hey,
[10:19]it's a win-win for everybody.
[10:21]But success is like money.
[10:22]You gotta throw something on the wall
[10:23]and something gotta stick.
[10:24]And that's exactly what I did with Slurry Vegan.
[10:27]I came up with a name
[10:28]and it's crazy as it sounded.
[10:30]I'm like, oh, this is the one.
[10:32]Like I knew this was it.
[10:33]Like I come up with ideas all the time,
[10:35]but I knew this one was special
[10:37]because it felt right in my spirit,
[10:40]number one, because I spoke to myself
[10:42]and I'm like, all right, self.
[10:43]We think about this as self-self.
[10:45]It's good.
[10:45]And then I'm like, all right,
[10:48]so this is the one,
[10:49]and I didn't wanna share it with a lot of people.
[10:51]So usually when you come up with a lot of great ideas,
[10:54]you wanna share it with the one that I kept here.
[10:57]Cause I'm like, all right,
[10:57]something feels good about this.
[10:59]And I move by my spirit.
[11:01]And some people say like,
[11:02]that's not always the best way,
[11:03]but like if my heart don't feel good,
[11:04]if my spirit don't feel right,
[11:06]I ain't doing it.
[11:06]I don't care if it's a bill,
[11:08]some billionaires in the room.
[11:09]If I walk in the room and the energy is wrong,
[11:10]I don't care how much money you got in your pocket.
[11:12]So I always move with my energy and my spirit.
[11:15]And that's what Slurry Vegan did for me.
[11:17]So I ran with the name and then shameless plug.
[11:19]I was a television producer for a couple of years, okay.
[11:22]So I know what makes people pay attention.
[11:24]I know what they wanna listen to.
[11:26]So I coupled sex and food together
[11:30]with my skillset of working in TV
[11:33]and I ran with it.
[11:34]And when I tell you,
[11:36]it's been almost six years.
[11:38]And I sometimes I gotta pinch myself
[11:40]cause I cannot believe that I created a concept.
[11:42]And my two-bedroom apartment
[11:44]that is not only a household name,
[11:46]it's providing opportunities for at least 400 employees.
[11:49]I got 400 employees saying,
[11:52]I'm like, who would have felt accounting?
[11:54]Because I get to scale.
[11:55]And is it all peaches and cream?
[11:57]No, I have nice way.
[11:58]I'm like, forget this.
[11:59]I don't want you to smell more.
[12:00]Okay, like I got kids over here crying.
[12:02]I got three babies and pampers.
[12:04]Okay, like this some days that I'm like,
[12:06]I don't wanna do this.
[12:07]But then many days I'm like, you know what, it's so worth it.
[12:11]And I'm so glad that I named it Slurry.
[12:12]I'm so glad that it was racing
[12:14]cause if I would have named it Pinky's Vegan,
[12:16]I wouldn't have had nobody in line.
[12:17]So I'm just happy that I named it what I named it.
[12:21]You have advice in the book too
[12:23]about even being a good friend.
[12:25]And I found that really interesting
[12:27]because you don't often find that
[12:28]in advice books, career books, self help,
[12:31]and you're like, listen, take time out
[12:34]and listen to your friends, ask them questions.
[12:36]Don't let your success eclipse anything else.
[12:39]Like you have to be there for everyone else.
[12:41]Just like the good friend and the good person you are.
[12:44]I love that you put that in there.
[12:47]Thank you.
[12:49]Because most of us do it
[12:51]and we don't realize that we do it, right?
[12:54]We always focus on like if other people are good friends
[12:58]to us, right?
[13:01]But are we good friends to other people?
[13:03]Do we show up for our friends?
[13:05]Do we support them?
[13:06]Do we provide them with constructive criticism?
[13:08]Do we give them what they need when they need it?
[13:11]I haven't always been the best friend.
[13:13]As I evolve, I realize I'm like,
[13:16]while I thought that I was being a good friend,
[13:18]I haven't always been the best friend.
[13:20]Like because I've been so busy
[13:21]and I've been focused on me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
[13:23]But what about the people that always care about me
[13:25]that always show up for me?
[13:26]Like I need to make sure that they are good too.
[13:29]So in the book, I really talk about making sure
[13:31]that you check for the people who are checking for you.
[13:35]It's not always about you.
[13:36]And as long as you can learn how to be selfless
[13:39]in your pursuit of friendship,
[13:41]you'll always have that cool group of people
[13:43]that are gonna show up in the trenches.
[13:44]They're gonna go to war with you.
[13:46]It's almost like where Forrest Gaunt did
[13:49]with Lieutenant Dan.
[13:50]You saw the story of Forrest Gaunt,
[13:52]the Lieutenant Dan wanted to stay on that battlefield
[13:57]and he wanted to die in his honor.
[13:59]But Forrest Gaunt wouldn't allow him to do that.
[14:02]He was that friend and say, you know what?
[14:03]I'm checking for you.
[14:04]I'm even if that meant that he got shot in the butt
[14:07]with a purple heart.
[14:09]He got the purple heart because he got shot in the butt.
[14:11]However, I just watched him move me by the way.
[14:12]That's wrong.
[14:13]I was like, wow, what did he call from whenever it came out?
[14:17]But in 1887.
[14:18]But it's so symbolic.
[14:19]It's so symbolic because I want to be that kind of friend.
[14:24]And I feel like everybody who reads that book
[14:26]needs to be that kind of friend.
[14:28]Even if it means that you give of yourself
[14:32]to make sure somebody else is good,
[14:35]you want to do that.
[14:36]Even if it means that you get shot in the butt.
[14:39]Amazing.
[14:40]Go watch Forrest Gaunt, whoever is watching.
[14:42]Yes, this is the takeaway from this.
[14:44]Can I read this one section?
[14:46]Because the flip side of having people in your corner
[14:49]and supporting you is all of the people
[14:51]who can't sort of handle the success
[14:53]and aren't in your corner anymore.
[14:55]And you call this section, the hater you know.
[14:57]And you said, I really can't prepare you for this
[14:59]because no one can.
[15:00]But I want you to know that your success
[15:02]is going to expose the people around you
[15:04]who don't want you to have it.
[15:05]I don't care if you have the same grandma, my,
[15:07]if you grew up on the same street,
[15:08]or if you've been friends since your mom has
[15:10]or pregnant with you both.
[15:11]If they are jealous of you, it's going to come to light.
[15:14]Understand that sharing DNA doesn't mean you share dreams.
[15:17]All our lives we've heard about crabs in a barrel.
[15:19]Your family can be those crabs.
[15:21]Unfortunately, sometimes even they can put you in a box
[15:24]and try to limit your potential.
[15:25]When you live beyond those limitations,
[15:27]then it's a problem.
[15:28]Tell me more about that.
[15:29]So I have a lot of siblings.
[15:32]And I realized that some of us got dropped with me.
[15:35]Okay.
[15:36]I'm like, you sure that we all came from the same place
[15:40]because I feel like people are wired differently
[15:42]and whether it's friends or family.
[15:44]What I realized is as you elevate,
[15:47]there's some people in your life
[15:49]that want what you have.
[15:52]And because it didn't happen for them,
[15:54]sometimes they aren't genuinely happy for you.
[15:57]And I don't think that it's intentional.
[15:59]It's like you smell to hate, okay?
[16:01]It's like you smell the insecurity on somebody else.
[16:07]And I've grown to realize that it is not them.
[16:11]It is a makeup of the trauma that they have experienced
[16:15]in their lifetime that causes them to exude
[16:18]this level of non-supportiveness
[16:22]as it relates to the success of the people
[16:24]that are near to them, right?
[16:27]I know that was a mouthful, but behemio.
[16:29]I've had people in my life that support me
[16:32]when like things aren't popping, right?
[16:34]Like when it's okay, when it ain't,
[16:36]moving and shaking, but when I'm moving and shaking,
[16:38]it disappear.
[16:39]So I'm not going to happen with you though,
[16:41]but I also realized that everybody in life
[16:45]are trying to figure it out.
[16:46]They're trying to figure life out.
[16:48]So there's some people in life
[16:50]that if it hasn't happened for them
[16:52]when they wanted to happen for them,
[16:53]but it's happening to the person next to them,
[16:55]they got a problem with that.
[16:57]So I am mindful on who I decide
[17:01]to share my energy with because energy is important.
[17:05]Energy is so important because it'll affect
[17:07]the course of the day.
[17:09]If I am super happy and super motivated and super driven,
[17:13]but then I have somebody next to me
[17:14]that's just that all the time,
[17:15]because it's okay to be sat here and there, right?
[17:17]Because we're human.
[17:18]But all the time, if it's negativity,
[17:20]all the time, if you're not supportive,
[17:22]all the time, if you're just drowning in your own misery,
[17:26]that's not conducive for my spirit.
[17:28]Because I have to continue to grow
[17:30]and I have to continue to build,
[17:31]and I have to be able to pour from my cup
[17:33]to get to my children,
[17:34]to get to my family, to get to my husband,
[17:36]and all of the people that are important to me.
[17:38]So you have to put a caution sign around people
[17:42]that you feel that every time you do something
[17:44]grading your life, they are unhappy.
[17:47]And that includes family too.
[17:48]Sometimes people think that we have to build relationships
[17:51]with family.
[17:52]I'ma always love you if we share the same DNA, right?
[17:55]Like our ancestors made it a point to make sure
[17:59]that we came out the same womb,
[18:01]that we come from the same bloodline,
[18:03]but they did not make it a point that I had to be your friend.
[18:06]They did not make it a point that I had to work with you
[18:10]if the relationship ain't relationshiping, right?
[18:13]So I've come to a place where I realized that
[18:15]and that's okay, you do not have to feel guilty
[18:18]to not to be around people that you grown up with,
[18:21]people that you've called for in for years.
[18:23]If they are not supportive of you,
[18:25]then you have to be around people
[18:27]that can be what it is that you need
[18:29]so that you can be all that you need
[18:30]so you can be successful.
[18:32]I love it.
[18:33]Pinky, why you?
[18:36]Why do you think that the success has happened for you?
[18:39]Why do you think that when you fail,
[18:41]you can get up and other people just stay flattened?
[18:45]You don't know why you haven't asked me that.
[18:47]I'ma give you the purest, honest answer that I think.
[18:51]It might not be the right answer.
[18:53]And I don't even know if this also is my own personal trauma,
[18:57]but I have a complex that I feel like it's not a complex.
[19:03]I feel like God speaks to me through people, right?
[19:09]And whoever is watching this, whatever God you believe in,
[19:12]this is my secret formula that I am publicly saying
[19:15]for the first time.
[19:16]God speaks to me through people,
[19:18]especially homeless people, oh, it's bad, right?
[19:21]So I cannot see people struggling and hurting
[19:24]and not help them because I feel like God is testing me.
[19:28]And when God tests me, it's almost like, all right,
[19:31]are you going to help?
[19:32]Are you going to be a steward?
[19:33]Are you going to bless this person?
[19:35]Or are you going to walk away and let this person suffer?
[19:37]Because if you let this person suffer,
[19:39]then I'm just going to stop giving you the blessings.
[19:40]And might not make sense.
[19:42]And a lot of people are going to say,
[19:42]well, that's not a, that philosophy is retarded.
[19:45]It don't make sense.
[19:46]But for me, how I have always,
[19:48]no one is saying that, no one is saying that.
[19:51]Okay.
[19:52]I've always lived my life to the point that I always,
[19:56]it is my responsibility to bless people.
[20:00]who are in need because I feel like that is what God would do.
[20:03]So the more that I bless people,
[20:07]the more blessings come my way.
[20:10]So it has always been just a natural formula in my spirit.
[20:14]I've got to do right by people
[20:16]because if I don't do right by people,
[20:18]the blessings are going to stop.
[20:20]And I never want the blessings to stop.
[20:21]I want God to see my good work.
[20:23]I want God to see the things that I'm doing.
[20:25]When I say God, I mean,
[20:26]whoever it is that you believe in, whoever your God is.
[20:29]So when you ask me why me,
[20:31]I've asked myself that question.
[20:33]I just like to think that I have a heart for people.
[20:37]Like, but sometimes it gets abusive, I'll be honest.
[20:41]Like somebody will DM me and I'm not saying to do this,
[20:44]but somebody will DM me and say like,
[20:46]I'm not gonna get evicted today.
[20:47]I need a thousand dollars,
[20:49]but I'm gonna be on the street on my kids.
[20:50]Like I can't read that and I help that person,
[20:53]even if I don't know them
[20:54]because I feel like that is God testing me.
[20:56]So again, our preface is about saying,
[20:59]it might be a little bit of my trauma,
[21:01]but I'm okay with that
[21:03]because God always continues to bless me.
[21:06]And that is my answer on it.
[21:07]I love it.
[21:08]I love it.
[21:09]Nobody thinks that that's a bad answer.
[21:12]It's your truth.
[21:13]I mean, it's amazing and it's beautiful.
[21:16]I will caution you to stop giving $1,000 to everyone
[21:19]who DM's you.
[21:20]This is not a good pattern.
[21:22]We need some vetting.
[21:24]We need some vetting here.
[21:26]I told you it was trauma.
[21:27]Okay, everybody, look at me like,
[21:28]you need to stop.
[21:30]You have a problem.
[21:30]But it's okay.
[21:31]God has always, I've been so fortunate and so blessed
[21:35]emotionally, spiritually and financially
[21:37]that they gotta take it up with God
[21:39]if somebody is abusing that.
[21:41]I'm glad.
[21:42]Oh my gosh.
[21:43]What is coming next?
[21:45]You have ideas all the time.
[21:46]What are some,
[21:47]what is something that's actually gonna happen?
[21:49]And what is some,
[21:50]I do you've had lately that you're like,
[21:52]that's a great idea of I'm just not gonna do that.
[21:53]I can't do that.
[21:54]I don't have time for that.
[21:55]It's really good questions.
[21:57]Thank you.
[21:58]So I am going to,
[21:59]I'm actually working on it now.
[22:02]I'm gonna say secret society,
[22:03]but it's not that it's not the Illuminati guys.
[22:05]I'm building an organization with the top leaders
[22:11]from around the country, but it's invite only.
[22:13]So basically it starts with me.
[22:16]I invite somebody, they invite somebody else
[22:19]and it continues to go down the line.
[22:21]And basically I'm inviting people
[22:23]that are at the top of the food chain in their industry.
[22:25]And what this is is it becomes a resource
[22:28]for entrepreneurs to be able to be amongst a group of people
[22:32]who are thought leaders, gang changers, world organizers
[22:37]that we can pull resources to be able to get to the goal
[22:40]whatever the goal is.
[22:42]And there are tons of groups like that that exists,
[22:44]but they never had the pinky coals thank on it.
[22:46]So I'm gonna create that.
[22:48]That's what I'm working on in real time.
[22:50]It's gonna be called Finn and Finn is short for dolphin.
[22:53]If you know anything about dolphins,
[22:55]dolphins, they work to get Alabama.
[22:57]So they work together as a team.
[22:59]They don't leave each other.
[23:00]They support one another.
[23:01]They are big, but gentle.
[23:04]All right, you follow me?
[23:05]So the organization is called Finn.
[23:07]We are big and stature, big and title,
[23:09]we're gentle and we're humble.
[23:11]So those are the people that I'm gonna have in that group.
[23:13]So it's gonna be an organization,
[23:14]now the secret society, but it's only invite only.
[23:17]So that's kind of like the next big thing
[23:18]that I'm working on.
[23:19]And I'm excited about that.
[23:20]That is awesome.
[23:21]So PHIN, right, or if FIN gets to help PHIN.
[23:25]That is very cool and I love it.
[23:27]Yeah, you can swim with the dolphins, right?
[23:29]I mean, they're like the pinky coals stink.
[23:33]Love that.
[23:34]Okay, any other books?
[23:36]Do you think you're gonna write another book?
[23:38]Did you like doing this one?
[23:39]I did, but I'm about to write another,
[23:41]it's funny because my next book was gonna be called
[23:44]Win Sis, W-I-N-S-I-S, but I've since changed it
[23:49]because I just eliminated my entire C-suite
[23:53]and I'm rebuilding my company in a real time.
[23:57]Okay.
[23:58]So I'm actually going to vulnerably share that experience.
[24:04]So I've changed that.
[24:05]Because in order for me to be authentic
[24:08]in my approach to leadership and entrepreneurship,
[24:10]I gotta keep it real and I gotta tell the truth.
[24:13]So my next book will chronicle everything
[24:15]that I'm doing now, so I've been journaling
[24:17]and I'm gonna turn it into a book.
[24:20]And it's going to talk about the fact that I built
[24:23]this $100 million brand.
[24:25]And then even in building $100 million brand,
[24:27]what I realize is you can have all the people
[24:30]in a world with long resumes,
[24:32]but that don't mean that they'll love your business
[24:34]like you love your business.
[24:36]So I'll talk a lot about that in the book.
[24:37]So I'm excited about that.
[24:38]That is really going to be a very vulnerable piece,
[24:41]but I think it'll bless a lot of people,
[24:44]entrepreneurs and restaurants, especially.
[24:46]I love it.
[24:47]So cool.
[24:48]Okay, last question.
[24:50]What's the thing you say the most to,
[24:52]what's the one piece of advice for your kids
[24:56]that you want to make sure that they get,
[24:58]maybe you say it now, even though their babies,
[25:01]maybe you just think it all the time,
[25:02]what do they need to know when they go out into life?
[25:05]Put that down.
[25:08]Don't touch that, put that down.
[25:10]And it's funny because I say that to them all the time,
[25:12]but like if I can metaphorically say what that means,
[25:15]like don't pick up stuff that you don't need, right?
[25:18]Like put it down.
[25:20]Like I've had to learn over the years that like,
[25:23]and I'm still learning that I cannot,
[25:26]as much as I love to help other people,
[25:28]like I cannot hold on to everybody's stuff.
[25:31]You gotta put it down and let it go.
[25:34]And I tell my kids that all of the time,
[25:36]but now that you ask me that question,
[25:38]like put it down, let it go.
[25:40]Like I want them to know that like,
[25:43]they don't have to hold on to the bags of life.
[25:47]You can put it down and they can let it go.
[25:50]Look at that.
[25:51]Now we have a bumper sticker for you, you know?
[25:53]Do they even make bumper stickers anymore?
[25:55]I'm dating myself.
[25:56]I don't know, but that's a good business.
[25:57]I'm dating myself too.
[25:59]My design is on your some pages, but it too, right?
[26:03]Pinky, thank you so much.
[26:04]I have so much respect for you.
[26:06]You are awesome and wow,
[26:09]the great work that you're doing in so many ways,
[26:12]you know, there's like a little angel in there.
[26:14]It's really cool.
[26:14]And I'm just really happy I got to connect with you.
[26:17]Thank you.
[26:18]Thank you.
[26:19]It's been a pleasure and I hope to see you
[26:20]a slutty vegan one day soon.
[26:22]Yes.
[26:23]All right, take care.
[26:24]Have a great day.
[26:25]Thank you.
[26:26]Bye bye.
[26:27]Bye.
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