Joan Collins, BEHIND THE SHOULDER PADS: Tales I Tell My Friends
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[0:33]I had the immense honor of interviewing the legendary Joan Collins
[0:38]Behind the shoulder beds tails. I tell my friends
[0:41]We did this as a live in-person event in front of the whole Zivi's bookshop
[0:47]Audience on the anniversary of Zivi's bookshop, which is now been around for a year, which is crazy
[0:52]Anyway, here is Joan Collins's bio and I hope you enjoyed this episode
[0:55]I have the best time interviewing her
[0:57]Joan Collins is a legend of the screen and stage
[1:00]Dame Joan Collins is perhaps best known for playing Alexis Carrington in the globally popular television series
[1:07]Dynasty she has appeared in over 70 films hundreds of TV shows and over a dozen plays
[1:12]She's also a best-selling author of 17 books actually
[1:16]I think it was 19 by the time I saw her and many articles and editorials including those for the spectator magazine
[1:21]She was made a Dame in 2015 by Queen Elizabeth II for her charity work and services to drama
[1:27]She and her husband Percy Gibson divide their time between London Los Angeles and the South of France
[1:32]Which she talks all about in her book so honored today to have Joan Collins here
[1:37]This is so exciting. Thank you for coming to Zivi's bookshop and coming on the podcast to discuss
[1:42]Behind the shoulder pads tails. I tell my friends and now all of us as well
[1:48]You can all be my friends
[1:50]So now that you've heard the stories. Yeah, well, it is kind of a memoir
[1:55]Not really because I've written two or three other memoirs
[1:59]So I figured I don't want to talk about my childhood and all of those boring things and I do so I scan past that
[2:05]Although I do talk about when I first met my sister Jackie and how horrified I was because I'd been taken away
[2:13]by my aunt for four days and I didn't know why and
[2:17]When I came back
[2:19]My father proudly took me into the room where my mother was sitting holding this squawling thing
[2:25]Which and I didn't know anything about that and I said what's that and she said this is your new sister
[2:31]Jacqueline Jill and I said what a stupid name
[2:35]And I said where did she come from and
[2:39]Mommy said God brought her
[2:41]Anyway, that was a long time ago when children of four didn't know anything
[2:46]You know, but that's the sort of story that I tell about and there's quite a few of those
[2:52]And do you talk about in your childhood dodging the air raids and world war II and having to yes?
[2:58]Scape that was well one of the things that was so great
[3:02]About my mother which I only appreciated later was the fact that she kept us totally protected
[3:09]We didn't well we couldn't read newspapers and there weren't that well there were my parents read newspapers
[3:15]They were always hidden there was the radio, but that was never on we had plenty of toys and we drew and we painted and we read
[3:23]But we didn't know how terrible this war was when you compare it today to children in their Ukraine for example on wherever
[3:34]There is conflict. They know from the age of 18 months too. We knew nothing
[3:41]We didn't know
[3:42]That Hitler the Nazis were at our shoreline ready to invade us. My mother
[3:49]kept it all from us and this is only something that I appreciated
[3:53]many years later
[3:55]Because you know, I didn't I was so busy you know being an actress being a mother being a wife getting married
[4:02]All the things and it was only when I started to write and ruminate
[4:05]I thought I really had
[4:07]Good parents and not only did she do that, but I was not allowed to see any disturbing films
[4:15]Nothing with guns. Nothing with violence. Nothing with blood
[4:20]I remember begging to be allowed to go and see this film with tire and power and
[4:24]Reja hayworth. I can't remember what it was called
[4:27]And they said no, it's too violent. It will affect your brain and frankly I think they were right
[4:35]Well, then you quickly got into the most illustrious academy and we're got this massive contract and in movies and films and Hollywood
[4:44]Glamour even though you started so young
[4:47]What was that like for you because in the book you introduce us to basically every big name hollywood person ever you've had an experience with
[4:54]What is true? Because you know in that particular time
[4:58]This is before paparazzi
[5:01]It's before every time you went out you would find you know the tourists with buses would come
[5:06]And people were walking at all of the actors were there. They were out like ordinary people
[5:11]I mean, I remember the first time I went out. I saw Fred Astaire walking down the street
[5:17]Fred Astaire. I mean, you know dressed beautifully and it was like
[5:22]Just quite amazing that you would see that then I'd go out to dinner
[5:27]And they would be lying at Turner sitting or you'd go and you'd see heady lemart. They were just around
[5:32]They were around like you guys were around
[5:35]Are you wearing a mask?
[5:38]Just the same. Okay. It's Judy Garland running in the door holding my face. Oh, yeah, that was
[5:43]Judy Garland comes running into this party Gene Kelly's house
[5:47]And I'm not dropping names. I was there and I was there many many many many times
[5:52]And she had this squalling breath in around me. She said I'm so sorry. I'm late
[5:56]Liza wouldn't stop crying
[6:00]And then you also took a ride with
[6:02]James Dean and you said I was in Jimmy's car and I was so scared
[6:06]I was because he went from zero to 60 in about 10 minutes
[6:11]And from downtown Hollywood to Beverly Hills to see a very famous actor who was like
[6:18]God all of the kids used to sit we used to sit and
[6:22]His feet and he used to talk about his life and tell and it does but Jimmy got there so fast and
[6:29]The guy I was with that I was dating said, you know, he's going to kill himself in that car once you know
[6:36]That's ridiculous that you went in that car and I said well, you know, it's beautiful car who knows, you know
[6:42]When you're 20 21 you're not frightened of anything you really aren't and of course six months later
[6:48]I'm in New York and I get a knock on the door and it's
[6:52]friend Arthur and he came in and he said
[6:56]Jimmy died in that car
[6:58]Six months later. Yeah
[7:00]No, there were some very fascinating people. They were all very fascinating
[7:04]And I was lucky enough to work with some of the fascinating people and you know to do my first Hollywood film night
[7:11]Was working with Betty Davis to do my second Hollywood film
[7:16]It was Raymond and Farley Granger, and then it was the next one. It was June Allison and Ann Miller and
[7:22]You know a whole bunch of very famous actresses
[7:26]That's who I was working with
[7:28]Amazing when you talked about fast forwarding quite a bit when you were on dynasty and you did a big
[7:35]Collaboration you talked a lot in the book about the costume and yes how you really made that character into who Alexis was was so much you and your
[7:45]Input into how she should dress and look and be talk a little bit about that. Well, I had watched a lot of
[7:52]1980s 19 late 1970s
[7:56]TV shows and I
[8:00]Wasn't terribly impressed by the way the actress is addressed most of them were like slacks and a silk blouse and
[8:06]sort of a way I'm dressed
[8:09]and
[8:10]Very simply and when Nolan Miller the great designer
[8:15]Talked to me about you know, how did I see my character? I said well, I see her as being very oak tour
[8:23]She this woman has been exiled from America
[8:26]She has been exiled and she has become a jet setter. She's going around the world
[8:31]She's going to all the tea the fashion shows
[8:35]She you know meets Prince Prince's and Gains and counts and she's very up there with the society and aristocracy
[8:42]And she would dress in a very very stylish manner
[8:47]Do you think we can do that and he said well, I don't think we have a couture in Hollywood
[8:52]I said well, why can't we make it?
[8:55]Because he had this whole group of wonderful seamstresses and cutters and brilliant women
[9:02]mostly sort of Italian and Romanian and French who had been there since the foxes of fifties and they would make things and
[9:12]We then had a collaboration Nolan and me and he would talk to me and say so
[9:18]You have a scene. Well, how did you see yourself?
[9:21]In the scene where you go to Moldavia and it's cold there and I said well
[9:26]I saw a picture Princess Diana
[9:29]In Russia and she's wearing us to can't hat and as to can't moth and a gray coat
[9:35]wasted and and boots and I think that would be good so I've toyed out of Hello magazine and
[9:42]He could they copy it in a week and the same thing with another scene where I'm being chased around and just
[9:49]Guys trying to murder me and he said what do you how do you see this and I said well
[9:56]I've got to be in something that I can really move in, you know, and I
[10:00]Don't really want to wear trousers, because Alexis, I didn't see her in trousers very often,
[10:05]she did wear them, but she was more of a skirt girl. And I said, well, how about, you know,
[10:10]crossover dresses like very soft suede? How about dark green with matching boots? Can you do matching
[10:18]boots, Nolan? And he said, yeah, we can do matching boots. And they did within two days.
[10:23]It was quite magical. I don't know how they did it then. But that was years ago when, you know,
[10:30]they really cared about how you looked on the screen. Although you do mention that there's
[10:34]one outfit they had to make four of when you went into the water out for an over. Yeah. Yes,
[10:40]they had to make more and they used the most horrible cheap material that every time I went in
[10:44]it shrunk. So by the time we did the fourth take, and I was in the water, it was like the size
[10:49]would fit an eight year old. So part of what makes your book just so hard to put down and delicious,
[10:56]it's not just about the famous names and the situations that you are in. But you interweave
[11:01]all of this personal stuff about your family and your relationships and your emotions and
[11:06]speeches that are really important to you over time falling in love with Percy, all of that.
[11:11]And I wanted to read just one and your sense of humor or permeates everything. There's one
[11:17]passage I wanted to read when you're giving suggestions for what to do when you're sort of locked
[11:20]and COVID and one of them exercise. And you say another great cure for all ills exercises key.
[11:26]There can also be a source of resentment. My husband has been on a health kick for the last few
[11:30]years. So he will wake up early for a run or a workout and come home flushed with virtuous
[11:35]accomplishment while I lie in bed reading all the papers sipping several cups of coffee.
[11:40]Percy's smug face seems to say, so when are you getting moving? I contemplate throwing the
[11:44]contents of my cup at him. But then I think better of it, what a waste of coffee.
[11:52]The whole book is like that. It's your quiz. You're fun. And then to me, humor is what gets you
[11:59]through life. It's very important. Unfortunately, it seems that, you know, it's sort of sadly lacking
[12:06]today in very many ways. I mean, I don't know why, but you don't see as much as you used to.
[12:11]But then again, you know, people have to be careful. I don't think I've offended anybody by
[12:16]what I said. Maybe Percy is here. It's our anniversary today, by the way. 22 years. I can't
[12:28]believe that. It feels like eight. But did you like the fact that Percy wrote to some? Yes,
[12:35]they did chapters in the book. Well, not chapters, half chapters in the book. Like I would describe
[12:40]how I felt about going to the first day of doing this play, love letters, which I was doing in
[12:48]San Francisco. And that's when I first met Percy. And he, you know, he was the company manager.
[12:55]And he described in the book how he felt when he met me. And it's quite different how we say.
[13:02]And then when we did the audio, which I had to say, I haven't heard yet, but I remember doing it,
[13:08]Percy read his, his part. Do we have the, oh, no, the audio is something that you get online, isn't
[13:14]that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I could, I could get it for you. If you want to get it on my phone,
[13:20]don't worry. No, I did like, because you got to hear his voice and his side of the story as well.
[13:24]And I feel like I was joking before about your hypothetical conversation, the carnival. I feel like
[13:30]I know what she and Percy are like in private because it's in the book, your whole relationship.
[13:35]Yeah. I guess so. You know, we had a, we had a lovely morning drinking coffee and opening
[13:43]presents. I, I gave him a, an Oscar with an inscription on it. I'm not going to tell you what it
[13:49]said. And I also gave him a photograph of me with Superman. And I post his head on.
[14:03]So what readers or listeners might not know is the age difference between the two of you and
[14:07]how it doesn't talk about, which we don't talk about. Okay. But at first, this was a, you know,
[14:12]you both had to, well, not him. He was all in from the beginning really, but you had to come to
[14:16]terms with that and make a decision and you took yourself to a spa for a weekend and said,
[14:20]okay, am I going to do this or not do that? Well, one of the reasons that I went to the spa
[14:25]is not necessarily for that is that I'd been in a relationship for over 10 years that wasn't,
[14:33]that really wasn't going anywhere. And I had to make this decision. Did I want to give up this
[14:39]relationship, which was not at all fulfilling. It was just more like a sort of funny friend
[14:48]who was there not all the time, but just sometimes anyway. That's what I did. I went, yeah,
[14:57]and then I made it my mind and then to be with him. And then on 9-11, when 9-11 occurred,
[15:05]which was one was the year, but what year was that? It was in 2001. 2001, yeah. September 2001
[15:13]is when we decided to get married, when we saw what had happened and how everybody had lost so
[15:20]much and the carnage and we said, let's get married as soon as possible. He did. And I agreed.
[15:27]Even though I'd done it a few times before. But now we've been married for 22 years, which is
[15:34]more than all four of my marriages put together. It was two of them lasted one year and two of
[15:40]them, the two that I had, the husbands, I had children, we'd lasted for seven or eight years.
[15:47]And you write really beautifully about your children also, although you did have a horrible
[15:52]scare when your daughter Katie was in an accident. You write about that and later when she fainted.
[15:57]I mean, you've gone through a lot of really tragic, difficult stuff and yet you write about it
[16:03]concisely and with humor and in your upbeat style. Well, I think probably it has something to do
[16:09]with the fact that, you know, our family models just get on with it, don't moan, don't complain,
[16:15]do it. Nobody's ever going to do anything for you except yourself and came into the business,
[16:22]a business that my father did not want me to go into acting. He said, you know, you'll be finished
[16:27]by the time you're 23, you've got to face all these predatory men, which is really something
[16:33]that you didn't even think about. Predetry men, what a day. Well, a lot of them. And so my father was
[16:42]quite a good influence on me in that. So I had the perfect combination of a very strict father,
[16:50]loving and a very soft, vulnerable, sweet and loving definitive 1950s mother. All she cared about
[17:00]was her children and her husband and keeping the family together. And I'm very grateful for that,
[17:07]that combination. I think it's really important, you know, if it's possible to have a great family
[17:14]life, you know, I finally found it with Percy, but I tried four times and didn't work,
[17:22]but I finally found it. I found Mr. Wright. You also dodged many sort of natural disasters over
[17:29]the course of your life. You had the multiple fires that you were scared. I mean, it's like a movie,
[17:35]your life is like a movie. I know it is actually. How about, yeah, on the Chinese junk,
[17:41]when we were having a little trap, we were in Hong Kong. And my girlfriend Judy and I were
[17:46]going on what we thought was a pleasure trip on a Chinese junk out just around Hong Kong to see the
[17:53]sights and a tornado came up and that Chinese junk, they couldn't control it. And it was being,
[18:00]it was being pulled out to the most dangerous sea in the world, the South Chinese seas.
[18:06]And we almost died. Of course, you told your friend not to wear her wig upstairs, it would fly
[18:12]away and you're like, I told you so. There's a big part of the book that also takes place in the
[18:23]South of France and the big benefit parties in Leonardo DiCaprio's party and all the famous restaurants
[18:29]like Sink on Sink and all the places where you were out and about and relishing and loving the
[18:36]life there. Tell us a little bit about that. Well, you have to read the book because I mean that's
[18:45]just how we tried to live our life in the summer. I always wanted to have a place to take my children.
[18:52]At one point I had six children all under the age of 12. I had three step children and I had
[18:59]Tara and Sasha who were like nine and seven and then I had a baby Katie and these are the children
[19:07]who were nine, ten and twelve. And I thought, you know, what are we spending a fortune taking them to
[19:16]hotels? So I said we had to find a place, you know, I had to buy a house. So I bought a house in Spain
[19:25]and we'd take the children, all the children there because there's loads of school holidays,
[19:30]if anybody's got any children, they know how many holidays they have and half term in England,
[19:36]half term holidays which last for 10 days. So we would take the children there and then unfortunately
[19:43]I had to sell that house because somebody did some horrible things with my money but that's,
[19:51]you know, I can't put all this concisely, you know, just talking to you. Did they be
[19:57]all that I like talking to you? Okay. It's some,
[20:00]really have to read it because I have been,
[20:02]I mean, I'm not, I'm just thinking about an actress today
[20:05]that I've been reading about that was complaining a lot
[20:08]about her lot.
[20:09]Oh, it's so hard to be me every time I go out to dinner.
[20:12]I have to pay for everybody $3,000.
[20:16]I'm not going to tell you who it is, but it's in the papers.
[20:17]You can look it up.
[20:21]But I just, you know, I have a thing, you know,
[20:26]you eat life or life eats you and, you know,
[20:29]live every day as though it's your last.
[20:31]Because one day it will be.
[20:34]All kinds of motors.
[20:37]You are so, in one scene in the book, someone says to you,
[20:39]oh, you used to be the actress, Joan Collins.
[20:42]You said, oh, I still am.
[20:44]Well, I didn't quite say it like that.
[20:46]OK, that's how I read it.
[20:49]Yeah, I would say, and yes, I still am.
[20:52]Oh, that's better.
[20:54]I have more of the pictures, not the letters.
[20:56]That's much better, I guess.
[20:57]Yeah, oh, no, I still get that.
[20:59]I like to get, in fact, yes, today.
[21:02]I was at a shop in Beverly Hills.
[21:05]And this guy said, you know,
[21:07]and it's a market job, that I know you, who are you?
[21:13]And I said, well, why are you asking me who I am?
[21:16]You shouldn't ask me that.
[21:18]You know, this is a posh shop, what are you doing?
[21:20]Anyway, he went, I know I know you're somebody.
[21:22]Are you one of those calling sisters?
[21:24]And I thought, calling sisters, I mean, I was,
[21:28]but my sister's been dead for eight years.
[21:30]I mean, what a fool I walked away.
[21:33]I said, you're very rude.
[21:35]Then I said to the owner of the shop, I said,
[21:37]you have to tell him, he can't go up to a customer.
[21:40]Would you do that in your shop?
[21:41]No, who are you?
[21:43]No, I know you.
[21:44]I know who you are.
[21:45]You look familiar.
[21:46]I would never do that.
[21:47]Well, I know you would, but you'd be amazed.
[21:51]You'd be amazed how much it happens.
[21:54]Anyway, yeah, I do think there's anything
[21:56]your sister would read in this book and say, oh, no,
[21:59]you really shouldn't have put that in.
[22:01]Do you?
[22:03]Obviously, you do.
[22:07]I think I'm just wondering, there's a lot of the book.
[22:11]It's amazing.
[22:12]That's why it's so juicy.
[22:13]Yeah, I don't think she'll probably
[22:15]like when I said, jackal and gel.
[22:16]I want a stupid name.
[22:19]When you're four, I don't think she did.
[22:22]I don't know.
[22:23]I don't have to read it again and judge it
[22:26]because I haven't really read it since I wrote it.
[22:29]And then going back over, and then
[22:31]having to do the audio, which was torture.
[22:36]We were stuck in a room with no air conditioning,
[22:38]no cell phone access, no water.
[22:42]Right at the bottom of the Albert Hall of the piece.
[22:45]Look at this.
[22:46]Well, you say also in the book, how much you love
[22:48]Scrabble and all these other games.
[22:51]And for you, it almost feels like life is a game.
[22:54]There has to be this joy and this pleasure and spirit.
[22:58]Do you feel like that?
[22:59]Yes.
[23:00]I do.
[23:00]I try to live each day in which I enjoy something.
[23:06]I learn something and I achieve something.
[23:10]And I try to add that up at the end of the day.
[23:14]Enjoy is easy.
[23:15]Just watch television.
[23:18]Or no, I do like to watch old movies on TV.
[23:22]And I think that's what I try to do,
[23:24]or achieve something I'm writing now, not
[23:27]anything specific, but I try to write it.
[23:30]And I am writing something.
[23:32]I'm writing an article for a magazine.
[23:36]And you've written 19 books.
[23:37]I have.
[23:38]That's crazy.
[23:39]So many books.
[23:40]Why is it crazy?
[23:41]It's just like, I don't know.
[23:42]It just feels like how many times it just erodes.
[23:45]How many?
[23:46]How many of the Jackie write?
[23:47]Does anybody know?
[23:48]Yeah.
[23:49]Didn't she write something like 38 or 40?
[23:53]No?
[23:54]We'll look it up.
[23:55]Google, somebody Google.
[23:59]Oh, there she goes.
[24:01]I don't think so.
[24:02]It's a fabulous accomplishment.
[24:04]Thank you.
[24:05]Well, I might write one more, because one
[24:07]of the things that people, 32.
[24:09]Oh, 32.
[24:11]Wow, well, that's, you know, that's
[24:13]when it comes to the other question.
[24:15]I can't hear out.
[24:16]Well, maybe one more.
[24:17]I think I'll call it.
[24:19]I don't know how she does it, because that's
[24:21]what people call my friends keeps.
[24:23]I don't know how you do it.
[24:24]You're doing, you're being on this tour.
[24:26]And now I'm getting ready to do a movie in Prague, which
[24:29]I'm looking forward to.
[24:31]Yeah, I've never been to Prague.
[24:33]So that'll be an adventure.
[24:34]What can you say about the movie?
[24:35]Oh, it's like a murder mystery.
[24:38]I guess the Christie thought that, yeah.
[24:40]So I would be the Monsieur Poirot or Ms. Marple,
[24:47]the one who solves it.
[24:49]Is rather good.
[24:51]So what advice would you have to an aspiring author?
[24:54]Aspiring author?
[24:56]Yeah.
[24:57]Oh, never stop writing.
[24:59]Start at the beginning.
[25:00]I mean, I started writing when I was 12.
[25:03]I edited the fourth form newspaper, and I wrote stories.
[25:08]And then my sister, I taught my sister to write.
[25:11]And because she's boys younger.
[25:13]So she started writing.
[25:14]She wrote much more than me, because she wasn't an actress
[25:17]then.
[25:18]So when I started acting, I kind of stopped.
[25:21]But then I started keeping diaries.
[25:24]And you know, who was it that said, if you keep a diary,
[25:27]one day it'll keep you.
[25:29]So this is certainly true.
[25:32]Because I had to do a lot of research on this.
[25:34]I mean, some of the stories.
[25:36]I mean, the one where we're trapped on the beach
[25:38]in Greece with Christopher Biggins and my girlfriend,
[25:41]with no water and no loo.
[25:44]I mean, that was I forgotten about that one.
[25:49]And then this terrible street, they called
[25:51]John Collins Boulevard.
[25:53]I'd gone to open up a hotel, which turned out
[25:55]to be a dump.
[25:57]Yeah.
[26:00]I thought of something maybe Jackie wouldn't want you
[26:01]to put in.
[26:02]What?
[26:03]But about her scene with Marlon Brando.
[26:05]She loves us.
[26:06]OK, OK.
[26:09]She adored that.
[26:10]And she would always wink and not tell us what happened.
[26:13]What the end game was.
[26:15]But I was sitting there with the group of people.
[26:18]I won't tell you who they were,
[26:19]because you'll say I'm dropping names.
[26:21]But we would never say that.
[26:23]Pawn human.
[26:27]Anyway, and all the same, your sister.
[26:30]And he was sitting there with the bears.
[26:32]And your sister's going up the spares with Marlon.
[26:35]And I said, I know.
[26:37]I see that.
[26:39]She's his favorite movie star.
[26:41]I mean, he's her favorite movie star.
[26:43]He said, I know, but I mean, you know, she's 18.
[26:46]And he's, you know, 30 something.
[26:48]And I said, well, what can I do?
[26:50]She said, do you think you should go up and stop?
[26:51]Or I said, well, I know mommy said I had to take care of her.
[26:54]But she would never forgive me if I
[26:56]wind upstairs and stop them going up there.
[26:59]So when they came down, I said, so what happened?
[27:01]And she just did that girly giggle.
[27:04]And she's never told anybody, not even her children.
[27:08]Wow.
[27:08]So nobody knows.
[27:10]That was just a good way to be.
[27:12]That was a good way to be.
[27:14]Any secrets of being a working actor for your entire life?
[27:18]Never give up, really.
[27:19]Any actors here?
[27:21]No?
[27:22]Yeah?
[27:23]Well, never give up.
[27:24]Except for the direction constantly, don't you?
[27:28]I did, yeah.
[27:30]And I mean, I was, oh, I had that story
[27:33]and about I was fired by Blue Dawn.
[27:36]Yes.
[27:36]Yeah.
[27:37]And I just saw that show too by the way, the offer.
[27:39]I was talking about the offer.
[27:40]Has anyone seen the show, the offer?
[27:42]It was so amazing.
[27:43]Oh, wow.
[27:44]And yeah, that's one of my favorite shows I've seen at twice.
[27:47]All about the making of Godfather, the Godfather.
[27:51]And the child's Blue Dawn in this film keeps on saying,
[27:55]you're fired, you're fired.
[27:57]And when we were watching it, I said,
[27:59]Percy, he fired me from that movie
[28:03]I was going to do with Michael Kane called the Italian job.
[28:07]And I was, I was hired for it.
[28:10]And then my agent told me, you fired, you fired you.
[28:15]And I said, why?
[28:16]I said, I don't know, but you got paid.
[28:17]I said, tell me.
[28:19]But it would have been nice to have done a film with Michael
[28:21]because he's a friend of mine.
[28:23]Is there anybody you want to do a film with now
[28:25]that you haven't?
[28:26]Well, I would love to have worked with De Niro or Jean Hackman.
[28:33]I, to me, they are just giants.
[28:36]But never too late, is it?
[28:39]I was like, I don't know.
[28:41]I'm happy to work, whoever it is.
[28:44]How are you going to celebrate your wedding anniversary?
[28:46]We're going to lunch with the group of friends.
[28:49]After I do my signing, if anybody's going to be.
[28:51]Yes.
[28:52]Yeah.
[28:53]OK.
[28:53]Well, thank you so much.
[28:55]Thank you for coming on the show.
[28:56]Thank you, everybody, for being here.
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[29:03]Time to Read Books.
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