Sonali Dev, LIES AND OTHER LOVE LANGUAGES
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[1:03]Sonali Dave is the author of lies and other love languages, a novel.
[1:08]Sonali's first literary work was a play about mistaken identities performed at her neighborhood
[1:12]to Wally extravaganza in Mumbai.
[1:14]She was eight years old.
[1:16]Despite this early success, she's spent the next few decades getting degrees in architecture
[1:20]and writing, migrating across the globe and starting a family while writing for magazines
[1:24]and websites.
[1:25]With the advent of her first gray hair, her mad love for telling stories returned full
[1:29]force, and she now combines it with her insights into Indian culture to conjure up stories
[1:33]that make a mad tangle with her life as a super mom, domestic goddess, and world traveler.
[1:38]Sonali lives in the Chicago suburbs, with her very patient, often amused husband, and
[1:42]two teens who demand both patience and humor, and the world's most perfect dog.
[1:47]Her novels have been on library journal NPR, Washington Post, and Kirkus's Best Books
[1:51]of the Year lists.
[1:52]She has won the American Library Association's Award for Best Romance, the RT Reviewer
[1:56]Choice Award for Best Contemporary Romance.
[1:59]Full RT Seals of Excellence is a read-to-finalist and has been listed for the Dublin
[2:04]Literary Award.
[2:05]Shuffle awareness calls her not only one of the best, but one of the bravest romance
[2:08]novelists working today.
[2:10]She has been on this podcast at least fun other time, and the interesting news, well,
[2:15]I guess you can just hear it in the episode, which major celebrity is now behind Sonali's
[2:22]success.
[2:23]Welcome, Sonali.
[2:24]Thank you for coming back on Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books.
[2:26]This time to discuss lies and other love languages.
[2:29]You're writing books so fast, I cannot keep up.
[2:32]Thank you, am I?
[2:33]I think that's like, this is what I do full-time, this is what I do 24-7, so there's so many
[2:39]stories in there in a short life, so they've all got to come out, right?
[2:43]But thank you for having me.
[2:45]It's always such a pleasure to be here, and you know, to watch everything you're doing
[2:49]for publishing for women for Moms.
[2:52]So thank you.
[2:53]I am so glad to be here.
[2:54]Oh, thank you.
[2:56]Okay, tell us there's about lies and other love language.
[3:00]So I think it's, I was actually just, I'm staying with my nephew right now who's, you
[3:04]know, 26, and I was telling him it's probably my most adult book, and I don't mean that
[3:09]in a way that the word is usually used, but so in the simplest way for me to describe it
[3:15]based on where it came from, was it's a love letter to female friendships, so it's
[3:22]the story of these two women who are best friends, and we know how our friendships are
[3:27]so, you know, I mean, I always think my girlfriends are my soulmates, really.
[3:31]You know, my husband is my husband, I love him dearly, but my soulmates, you know, because
[3:36]the ones who see everything without translation, like that kind of connection, and who've
[3:41]seen me since I was, you know, 5 and 10 and 12 are my girlfriends, and it's a story
[3:48]of how these two girls become friends when they're 12, which is a very vulnerable age.
[3:53]And, you know, growing up in one of them is growing up in LA, you know, the only South
[3:57]Asian girl in her class, and then this girl who's had a horrific childhood in India
[4:01]moves to LA, and they meet under, you know, under circumstances which are kind of tragic,
[4:08]but it changes their lives and who they become.
[4:11]And so it's that kind of friendship, and then we meet them 27 years after their friendship
[4:16]has broken up.
[4:17]So it is about what happens to us when we lose our, you know, female friendships that
[4:22]define us, and it happens over motherhood.
[4:25]It happens over, you know, a salary to see a arrangement, and so it's a story I think
[4:29]of like marriage and friendship and, you know, yeah, and the way that everything breaks
[4:35]down is a DNA test, which is another thing in our world right now, which is, you know,
[4:39]blowing stuff up that didn't blow up before, so there you have it.
[4:44]So true.
[4:44]But it's also, you know, about motherhood and caretaking and fear.
[4:49]I mean, you start the whole book with, you know, the anxiety that is so pervasive right now
[4:54]in so many different contexts of what happens, what if we can't find the one we love,
[4:59]what if, what if an ordinary afternoon is something much more heavy, and, you know, fortunately
[5:04]it's resolved quickly, but still, I mean, that, that not knowing, and no matter how good
[5:10]your life is or how successful you are, like, Bandi, you know, it doesn't matter.
[5:15]None of it really matters if the person you care about the most is having something major
[5:18]go on.
[5:19]Yeah.
[5:20]Yeah.
[5:21]You know, I mean, lost, right?
[5:22]I think every, it's, it's really interesting.
[5:25]I like to say that everything in, in the world we do and everything that can solve all
[5:29]problems and cause all problems is love, but really how that I think operates in the world
[5:34]is true fear and fear of loss because with, it is almost impossible to love without fear
[5:40]of loss, right?
[5:41]Like the true enlightenment, I think where we're all kind of trying to work toward is being
[5:46]able to love without the fear of loss.
[5:48]And I think every problem in the world today exists because the fear of losing what is
[5:52]yours, right?
[5:53]Like we've been taught that that is, and, and then we've also been taught that, you
[5:57]know, whether it is our loved ones or land or whatever, right?
[6:02]Do love is to fight for it not being lost, right?
[6:05]So, so this, this book kicks off with a mother kind of not having any idea where her
[6:11]27 year old daughter who she's very close to and talk, you know, texts and talks to like
[6:15]five times a day hasn't been answering her texts, didn't come to pick her up at the
[6:18]airport.
[6:19]So, so it's, you know, it's a, for their relationship, it's kind of, she has no idea where
[6:24]she is and, you know, she's lost her husband and the girl has lost her father about
[6:28]a year ago.
[6:29]And she's still kind of in that, relying on each other and yet not grief phase.
[6:35]And so, so it kicks off with this mother not knowing where her child is essentially.
[6:40]And, and I think that that's the fear of again, losing someone who again, we love beyond
[6:46]reason, right?
[6:47]Which is a thing.
[6:48]And then I think a lot of it also is, is defining motherhood.
[6:52]What does it mean, right?
[6:54]And why, why do we feel the need to be defined by it because, you know, I'm, everybody
[6:59]is, we're surrounded by women who feel the need to reinforce every, you know, every
[7:04]five minutes in a conversation or my children come first or my children come first, which
[7:08]may be true.
[7:09]But the thing is society also defines us by, you know, how we are as mother and then
[7:15]what happens to all the women who aren't interested in that role, are you less superwoman?
[7:19]Like, what does that mean?
[7:21]So a lot of those things because between these two friends, you know, one has always
[7:26]known, like that is her, you know, and I can completely understand that because I, you
[7:31]know, and I think from everything I know a few, you can totally understand that, right?
[7:35]It's a definitive part of who we always wanted to be, who we've become.
[7:39]It has given us so much power to be ourselves and all of that, right?
[7:43]And so one of them is that I know how to do this.
[7:46]I'm going to do this.
[7:47]And this is going to, you know, allow me to be my best human self motherhood.
[7:51]And the other one has, you know, had the kind of mother and the kind of life where she
[7:55]she thinks bringing a child into this world is an impossibility for her, she's never
[7:58]going to do it.
[7:59]So these are these two friends and, you know, and I think that kind of explains the spectrum
[8:05]of women and both are, you know, there's, in terms of humanity, nobody is less or more
[8:11]or anything, right?
[8:12]It is, it's whatever our life experiences and natural nature and, you know, what we've
[8:17]been taught about ourselves.
[8:18]So it's that when you're taught, you can only be complete doing an X thing.
[8:23]And if the X thing doesn't happen, what then, right?
[8:26]And if you've always said, I'm never having children in a situation comes when, you
[8:30]know, for someone who means everything to you to have what they want, will you do that?
[8:36]So funny story is I think where the seat of this story came from was when a friend of mine,
[8:40]you know, one of my, you know, soulmate friends who I love dearly, dearly, was kind of
[8:47]told that it's probably not going to happen for her and we were having a conversation
[8:52]of whether, you know, whether I would, I had had two children at that point.
[8:58]I actually love to be pregnant and, you know, labor and delivery, people hate me for
[9:02]so, you know.
[9:03]The same thing is what I did, it was no judgment, the best experience of my life, you
[9:08]know, motherhood is different, but the delivery and labor was, but, but so it was a conversation
[9:13]they actually had, like how far would you go?
[9:15]What would that involve to carry a child that is not yours?
[9:19]And, you know, what are those, because I would obviously know this child for the rest
[9:22]of my life because this is, you know, so that was a conversation where this really actually
[9:27]stories started from.
[9:29]Wow.
[9:30]I was wondering where it came from, you have like, no, there are no limits to your ideas
[9:34]here.
[9:35]You know, you mentioned that this is a more adult story.
[9:39]I was sort of struck by the voice of Vandy's daughter, what is she, Meekah?
[9:44]Meekah, yes.
[9:45]Yes.
[9:46]Meekah, Meekah is what she calls meekah.
[9:47]The way that Meekah wrote was not, you know, there was a huge discrepancy with voice,
[9:52]right?
[9:53]Her voice was a much younger voice.
[9:54]In fact, almost younger than you would think a 27 year old would be writing, right?
[9:58]So speak a little bit about,
[10:00]that and how you defined her voice versus her mom's voice versus her friend, you know, all that.
[10:05]Yeah. So it's this book is written in alternating, alternating POVs between these three women,
[10:11]you know, and two of them are what 55, you know, 57 and one of them is 27. And I am surrounded by,
[10:19]you know, 20 some things. My kids are in their 20s, you know, my my friends kids who are
[10:24]like kids to me are, you know, that age. And I think that there is a, so this is what I hear,
[10:31]right? Also, I think Mika's character particularly is a character who's been protected. So the other
[10:38]thing I think I was exploring in this, you know, as a mother who is, you know, well, as a mother who has
[10:46]done, you know, well at something or is publicly visible, my children have had to, you know,
[10:52]ride with that ride on that bus since they were in, you know, elementary school, where, you know,
[10:58]their, their friends parents read my book and you know, things like that. So a little bit of,
[11:04]I mean, they're not quite Taylor Swifts kids, but you know what I mean, it's they have
[11:08]lived in that, you know, and so I think when you grow up, I had successful parents. So I think
[11:14]like being the child of a successful parent and what that comes with. And, and Malika's parents
[11:19]are her mother is an internationally bestselling author. She's herself her guru. She's an advice
[11:24]columnist who millions and millions of people around the world listen to, you know, for life advice.
[11:30]So she's, you know, this, this public figure who is what everyone's aspiring to and her father
[11:35]has written, you know, 20 plus books. So, so extremely successful parents. And the sense of,
[11:42]I will never be good enough that she carries because of it. Also in a larger context, there's this
[11:47]whole, you know, certain immigrant communities and how much they value academic success and professional
[11:54]success and how much pressure there is to succeed in that way. And how much importance is given to
[11:58]that, right? I mean, I have a 22 year old and a 24 year old and everyone around them is constantly
[12:04]talking about how someone else went to XYZ school is working for XYZ company, you know, things like
[12:10]that. So that's even as a parent, if you try not to not do overtly, you know, pressure in that way,
[12:18]the world they live in is that. So I think because world is very much that very successful
[12:21]cousins, very successful parents, all of that. So she is a little bit, I think in terms of voice
[12:27]stunted in terms of confidence, how, how ready she feels for the world. And I think the story
[12:32]is her finding that piece because, you know, I mean, she's, she's spectacular in every way, you know,
[12:38]everybody is every child is put, you know, has the potential for that. And what she doesn't know
[12:44]is the story of her mother, you know, and how hard she struggled to come into herself because what
[12:49]she sees of her mother as her kids often do is us on the other side of this journey, right?
[12:54]And they don't see us in that same where they are, which is, you know, feeling completely lost
[12:59]and adrift. And so I think that's why, to me, Nicka's voice was, you know, very much a reflection
[13:05]of a person who doesn't know herself yet, who feels afraid that she's never going to be good enough.
[13:11]So I think that's kind of where she was. And of course, you know, Vandy and Rani, we get to see
[13:16]from when they are 12 to growing up. So we watch them as the book unfolds kind of come into
[13:22]themselves. And, and Malika go the opposite way also, right, where she's, she kind of meets up,
[13:29]you know, with herself and who she's going to miss these characters. Oh my gosh. And it's just,
[13:35]you know, people ask me all the time, which is your favorite book. And I was, you know,
[13:39]someone was asking me yesterday. And I'm like, the thing you have to understand is that
[13:42]these are not characters to me, right? These are real people who live in my head, like real,
[13:48]like it's, I think I was reading about the neuroscience behind this. And I think even as readers,
[13:54]we don't know the difference. We don't, you know, this is why we can cry, you know, in such a hard
[13:59]broken way at the pain of people on the page. Or the screen is because our brain doesn't know the
[14:05]difference between, you know, made up of fictitious thing and a real thing between lies, you know,
[14:11]and truth. And I think for writers even more. So I just, you know, finished the book that will
[14:18]come out in 24 or 25. And man, like every night. And so I have to give myself that time for,
[14:26]like, you know, to actually work them out of my system in a way of being so present all the time.
[14:32]And the, the ironic thing is when I'm, you know, when we're talking about lies and other love
[14:37]languages in my brain is the next book, which will come out next year. Okay, tell me about them.
[14:42]Tell me, I know you're like, I'm leaving over these characters. Let me just
[14:45]I'm not, I'm so not open them. I'm kind of, I mean, if you talked to me about my first book,
[14:50]I, they're still like immediately like physically alive in my brain. So I don't know how
[14:55]that's going to end for me. I, you know, I don't know, we should do some research on author brains
[15:01]toward the end of life and how so many, you know, created realities sitting in your head with
[15:07]that, you know, what that means for you. I know some authors in their 70s and they seem
[15:12]mentally still very much present. And so I have hope that it's not going to short circuit my brain,
[15:18]but sometimes it seems like it's going to interest. But the, the, the next book that I just finished
[15:25]is, I mean, I don't know if I could talk about it, but it's, it's the story of this young woman
[15:29]who has gone off to New York City for her engagement moon by herself because her orthopedic surgeon
[15:36]fiance who is the catch of Browntown, so to speak. So it's this call again, you know,
[15:43]it's set in Naperville where I live, which has a very vibrant, incredibly successful and very
[15:48]large South Asian American community. And of course, that comes with, you know, all of the,
[15:54]the gossip and the aspiration and all that. And so she is, she's grown up in that. She's kind of
[15:58]coming from the fringes because her family rose from poverty, which is not a normal, you know,
[16:03]thing for that community. And she goes off on her engagement moon by herself because he has to,
[16:09]he's had to reschedule three times. And then she's like, I'm just, and she's never left Naperville.
[16:14]And so she shows up in New York and when she's here, she finds a ring, you know, on the pavement
[16:19]when she drops something. And then she kind of gets obsessed with finding the owner of the ring.
[16:23]And then it is this whole unraveling and traveling across, you know, traveling from here to
[16:28]India, traveling across kind of diamonds space and finding out who that ring and a twin ring belonged
[16:35]to. Love it. Well, that sounds great too. My goodness. Thank you. And then are you already
[16:41]drumming up ideas for the book after that? I always have, you know, I think for too many
[16:47]ideas sitting in my head. But at that point, something has to like sort it to really come up,
[16:53]something has to be bothering me or something has to kind of, you know, stick in my, at that moment
[16:59]in time, I think, and in terms of zeitgeist, something has to become really important. So I don't know
[17:04]yet. It's, it's often, I think, things that we deal with as women as, you know, daughters, wives,
[17:09]that sort of things. So I'm kind of, yeah, I have a few ideas, but, but I'm, I'm waiting to see
[17:16]what's truly enraging me or I'm using it like that. I love that. That's so cool. And how is it going
[17:23]with your partnership with Mindy Kayling? Ah, it's so I want partnership as a stretch. I would love
[17:30]you know, really need to be my partner in any way she wants. But she's so, so the, so the
[17:38]vibrant years, which was the book that came out last year, was launched Mindy's publishing
[17:45]imprint, which was Mindy's book studio. And, you know, it's been optioned for a film
[17:50]with her and Amazon Studios. So I'm very excited. You know, everything with filming, you know,
[17:55]was a, and yeah, but so we're waiting to see where it goes. I am incredibly hopeful,
[18:03]but we'll see, you know, how all of that works. But I'm so excited, you know, I'm hoping that it
[18:09]happens. So I think that's, that's the next step in our partnership. So to speak.
[18:14]I would call it a partnership. Yeah, yeah, but she's, I mean, you know, I think just, just what
[18:20]she has done, I think, for creators of color, in terms of visibility, in terms of opportunity
[18:28]and how much she has used that platform. And it's not in, actually, she's not, it's not overnight,
[18:33]you know, for like 20 or 30 years. She's been working to get to a place where, you know, she can
[18:39]kind of take us into, you know, into the spotlight a little bit more than we've ever been
[18:45]afforded. And so I think, yeah, I mean, it's just even to just be associated with her in her presence
[18:52]for me, particularly is very special because as an artist and as a writer, I'm, you know,
[18:59]absolutely in awe. The range of the kind of writing she's done, starting from the office to,
[19:05]you know, to the film with Emma Pumps and to sex life of college girls and many project
[19:11]never have ever liked the range of various voices, you know, that, that she's, you know,
[19:17]and because it is not, we're not a monolith. And there's just so much to show. And we haven't had
[19:24]the opportunity up until now. And so, you know, she's, I always say we're at the front of the
[19:29]battering ram. You know, because, which while breaking down those walls or that glass ceiling or
[19:36]whatever, so she's just the talent itself, everything else aside, like the sheer talent as a writer,
[19:42]I think is the single most important thing for me to be kind of admired or to be selected,
[19:49]you know, by someone who's work you admire, I think is incredibly special. You know, everybody has
[19:55]a lot of people have platforms and have megafarms now, but...
[20:00]but when someone's work makes you, you know, like tremble on the inside and laugh out loud and kind
[20:05]of just come into yourself, I think it's really special to get to work with people like that.
[20:11]Amazing. Yeah, you have to be inspired, right? I mean, oh my gosh, yes, yes. And so,
[20:16]so inspiring. Just, I think hard work is incredibly inspiring. Talent is incredibly inspiring and
[20:22]those two things together. And, you know, whatever fortune shines upon us, it's always a combination
[20:28]of all those things. And, you know, to be in the presence of that, I think is incredibly
[20:33]inspiring. And, Sinali, when you're not writing a million books and in your home or
[20:41]neighborhood, what are you doing and what are you reading and what else are you excited about in
[20:46]life these days? Oh, my gosh. I mean, you know, I think being excited in life these days is hard work,
[20:52]you know, and yeah, but that's a whole other conversation. So, you know, we travel a whole lot,
[21:00]I think seeing the world, the more of the world you see. Again, I think the more you put yourself
[21:06]in a place where you can understand it better and better and until we start understanding
[21:12]each other in the world, I think that it's going to get, you know, the only way to solve it is
[21:18]love, like I said, right? Because that, and you can't, you know, you can love a thing more when
[21:23]you're exposed to it and you understand it and, you know, you see how it's all one thing. So, we travel
[21:29]every opportunity and give, you know, and I've kind of been fortunate because my husband travels
[21:33]for work and he's literally like, I have to go to Sweden for a week and I'll look up to get some of the
[21:37]book. I think I can do that. And, you know, and take off and, you know, we're not, I think we're
[21:42]very blessed in the fact that we don't, we're not planners. I can show up in a place and I'm like,
[21:47]oh, where does the subway go and kind of go? And, and so seeing the world, I think is, is incredibly
[21:53]important thing for me. So we travel a lot. We're lucky enough and privileged enough to be able to do
[21:58]that. I cooking, I think puts me, you know, together. I think the last time we talked, you had said,
[22:05]you know, Kai was, someone was making China, one of our husbands was making China masala or
[22:09]something. So I think that, you know, just gathering over food, being someone, you know, who is it
[22:15]immigrant to America and has literally, you know, we will, a world from scratch, you know,
[22:22]which is everybody does. But in terms of community, you create family, you know, when you do that.
[22:27]And I think so much of that for me, my vehicle has been food, you know, to just have, now I have
[22:33]grown children and we will have their friends. I think the way to get to know people is to get them
[22:39]and food is a really good way to, you know, loosen tongues of full belly. And so, so I think
[22:46]cooking and things. And of course, you know, if I, I'm, I'm a master binger when my brain is ready for
[22:52]that. You know, so, so watching good storytelling stories always, you know, I have, I found recently,
[23:00]when I was reading, I found some a really interesting thing. And this has been interesting for me
[23:05]personally, because I grew up in India and, you know, most of my adult life has been here. So,
[23:11]so there are these two, a few love stories. And I couldn't even like these rom-coms that I read
[23:15]that are set in India. So, they're set in New Delhi, but they're incredibly contemporary and
[23:22]universal. And, you know, we always joke about how immigrants get stuck in their country,
[23:29]the year that they, you know, so technically I should be stuck in 1996. But again, we're, you know,
[23:34]lucky that we get to go back so much. So, it's not as bad as I think it used to be with, with how
[23:40]global the world is. But these books are just so current and so off this time. And I think, again,
[23:48]I write Indian American books, you know, and I was saying we're not a monolith. And there's like
[23:53]so many different experiences just within that. Right. And so to read a book that is so
[23:59]urban and urban and kind of, you know, progressive in its thinking and yet tied to tradition
[24:06]that is set in the place I grew up in. And so highly romantic and fun. So, it's been,
[24:12]they completely blew my mind, you know, and younger authors. So, kind of their context growing up
[24:20]about being Indian is also so much more forcefully, you know, owning their asking for, you know,
[24:27]my generation was like, it was a fight. We will have independence. We're going to do this. And
[24:32]it's so much more natural for these, you know, these younger authors. And I, I love it. So,
[24:37]I'll tell you which, what the names of the two books were. One is called, oh my gosh, never meant to
[24:43]stay. And it's set in New Delhi in contemporary New Delhi. You know, this diplomats daughter who has
[24:47]to stay with this family and, you know, how she finds family finally. And she also kind of helps
[24:53]them find a lost piece of them through grief. And it's really lovely. And hilarious. And it's
[24:59]called never meant to stay. And the author is Trisha Das. So, if, you know, that's, that's the other
[25:04]one. I don't know when it's coming out. It's called all that scissors also set in New Delhi. And I'm
[25:09]from Bombay. And we have like, you know, Bombay and Delhi people have beef. I say that, you know,
[25:16]but I have loved these two books. It's, they've been fabulous.
[25:20]Amazing. Okay, last question advice to aspiring authors.
[25:25]Oh gosh. I mean, you know, the thing everybody says for severeances, the only thing that matters,
[25:31]right? You can come out the gate, raging and be, you know, huge. If publishing is anything,
[25:38]it's inconsistent. And there will be highs, there will be lows. If you're stuck in a long low,
[25:45]then the only way to get out for the high to come is to just hang in there and continuously
[25:51]try to, you know, better your craft and better yourself. And, and I think you have to love your own
[25:58]work. I think that that is the thing that we are and discouraged from in culture. Because,
[26:04]you know, humility and all of that while it's important, being, you know, if I go out and say,
[26:10]oh my God, my books are the best books and I absolutely love it. The tendency of the world is
[26:16]to discount me instantly as a, you know, as somebody who's a braggard. So I don't mean that,
[26:21]but I mean actually truly loving the work you put on the page and constantly aspiring to make it
[26:26]better. But coming at it from a place of love, it is okay to say, I love my work. It's okay to
[26:32]own that fully. And I think that that journey is parallel with the journey of staying. Because
[26:38]so long as you believe what you're putting out in the world is important. But you have to
[26:42]believe that you're not going to leave. You don't abandon important things. So I think your perseverance
[26:47]should come from a place of believing that the world needs to hear what you have to say. You know,
[26:53]rather than exhaustion, which is like, I just have to hang in there because I've spent 10 years,
[26:58]you know, the marriage analogy, which is like, you know, you don't stay in a marriage because you
[27:02]put investment into it. You, you know, you stay in a marriage because you've put investment into it
[27:07]for a reason. And the reason has to be the marriage itself. Right. So it's like that. Love
[27:11]your own work is what I'll say. Do the work to do that. Do the work to be able to say that. And
[27:16]then hang in there. Or it's a sunk cost. And you just have to move forward.
[27:22]Well, there is there is that's what I'm saying. So when the, when the love itself, when you work
[27:27]through it and sometimes, and that is totally okay too, right. I mean, if you're done with that and
[27:31]you've done all you can and you no longer feel the love, then the honesty is fabulous. You know,
[27:37]it's the best gift you can give yourself. But it's so long as you love it. Hang in there.
[27:43]Amazing. I don't even know if you're talking about marriage or writing anymore, but it doesn't matter.
[27:47]Same thing. All love is equal. Right. Exactly. Thank you so much. Congratulations again, lies in
[27:54]other love languages. Keep going. Can't wait to see the next one. And yeah, thank you.
[27:59]Thank you. Well, and you know, same. Keep doing the wonderful work you're doing. Thank you.
[28:05]Thank you. Okay. Bye-bye. Thanks for listening to this episode of Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books.
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