Cody Rigsby, XOXO, CODY: An Opinionated Homosexual's Guide to Self-Love, Relationships, and Tactful Pettiness
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[1:03]Cody Riggs v.
[1:04]Is the author of Exo Exo Cody, an opinionated homosexual's guide to self-love relationships
[1:11]and tactful pettiness.
[1:12]I co-hosted this alongside Alicia Fernandez Miranda, both of us interviewed Cody together,
[1:18]which was so much fun.
[1:20]Alicia is the author of a zippy book, My What If Year, a memoir.
[1:24]A door to fitness instructor, Cody Riggs v, is a peloton superstar.
[1:29]He's known for his witty humor, engaging storytelling, and pop culture hot takes, as well
[1:34]as his insight into relationships and his advocacy for self-love.
[1:38]He was the second runner-up on the 30th season of Dancing with the Stars, and he co-hosted
[1:43]the Glad Media Awards.
[1:45]Cody has been the face of numerous brands, including Adidas, Capital One, Chobani,
[1:50]Therabody, Chipotle, and Gatorain.
[1:52]He has been profiled in the LA Times, People of the Washington Post, The New York Post,
[1:56]Vogue, GQ Forbes, Fox, Us Weekly, and Time, and on Good Morning America.
[2:01]Cody lives in Brooklyn, New York.
[2:03]Welcome, Cody.
[2:04]Thank you so much for coming on Mom's Don't Have Time to Read Books.
[2:07]Tell us everything about your book.
[2:09]We are so excited to remember it was amazing, and I mean, now we know all about you,
[2:14]but you have to have the listeners learn all about you.
[2:16]Yeah.
[2:17]No, I am really excited about this book.
[2:20]It's been an incredible journey.
[2:22]I mean, I started the whole process of getting a proposal together, and all this almost
[2:27]a year ago, over a year ago.
[2:29]It's good to see that it's crystallized and is coming out to the public.
[2:34]Yeah.
[2:35]This is a memoir about my life, but it also is balanced out with some self-love and relationship
[2:42]advice, kind of really through my lived experience.
[2:46]In this story, we kind of, you know, go through my younger years and a lot of the hardships
[2:51]that I faced, including, you know, dealing with two parents that were battling addiction,
[2:57]as well as going through bouts and periods of homelessness.
[3:01]I mean, I grew up super poor, so sometimes I look back at my life and wonder, like, wow,
[3:05]how did I get to this point right here?
[3:08]But I think we really talk about that in the book that, you know, through our hardships
[3:13]and through the ups and downs, we can really land in a place of A, self-love, but B, also
[3:18]like, you know, finding our purpose and our stride and success.
[3:23]And so I'm really excited to share the story with people and hopefully they take bits
[3:27]from it that they feel inspired to love themselves more and laugh at life and not take
[3:32]things so seriously.
[3:33]You know, Alicia is going to jump in with a bunch of questions, but I just wanted to
[3:37]say it.
[3:38]Come on, Lou.
[3:39]No, no, go ahead, Zippy.
[3:40]Well, no, you go.
[3:41]I'll come back later.
[3:42]Good.
[3:43]I mean, you have such an open kind of change to your viewers, everybody who takes your
[3:48]classes.
[3:49]What made you decide to put your story into a book format?
[3:52]Yeah, well, I mean, as you know, you've taken my rides and listen, it's a 20 or 30 minute
[3:57]ride.
[3:58]I'm telling you what cadence, what resistance, how long to push.
[4:01]I'm shaking my titties to Britney Spears.
[4:04]We're doing tons of sort of things.
[4:07]So sometimes these stories or these little anecdotes only come out in 15 to 30 seconds.
[4:13]And so you get like a little short snackable portion of it.
[4:17]And you know, any meal, we don't want just the appetizer.
[4:20]We want the full, we want the full entree and desserts.
[4:24]So I really feel like this book was the entree and desserts and a nice little cocktail
[4:31]on the side to some of the stories that I've told.
[4:35]We get to go a lot more in depth.
[4:37]And I really feel that, you know, I think a lot of people who have taken my content
[4:42]really connect to the stories about my mom Cindy.
[4:45]And of course, a lot of those stories always silly and fun.
[4:49]And those are the things that I cherish about my mom and our relationship.
[4:52]So of course, I want to share them there.
[4:55]But I think there was a lot deeper story to tell about my mom in this book and about
[5:01]my life.
[5:02]And I think that so much of that, like anybody's relationship with their parents is complicated.
[5:10]But the biggest thing that I've learned is to let go and to accept people and to love
[5:16]people how they are and know that our time with people that we really care about is short
[5:22]and precious and that the more that we focus on resentment and pain and hurt, it's stealing
[5:28]of us and robbing of us really incredible and connected moments with people that we care about.
[5:37]I was struck with your relationship to your mom, particularly when you just described the
[5:41]scene where she went to walk the dog and the dog came back.
[5:45]And your mom did not come back and you were like, what's going on?
[5:48]And you had to go find her and you found her laying face down.
[5:51]I'm so sorry.
[5:52]You had to go through that.
[5:53]Oh my gosh.
[5:54]And you had this moment in the book where like, we'll wait a minute.
[5:57]I'm trying to show up and be a good son, but maybe this is more than I can handle.
[6:01]What do I do now?
[6:03]Tell me a bit more about that.
[6:04]Yeah.
[6:05]Listen, I'm 36 now and I've had a few years of being a kind of a more of an adult caregiver
[6:12]at this point.
[6:13]So a little bit more well versed.
[6:15]But back then, even three or four years ago, I just, I mean, it was probably 32, 33.
[6:23]And you know, most people my age are not taking care of an adult parent.
[6:27]They're not taking them to psychiatry appointments to figure out their mental health issues
[6:33]or things going on.
[6:35]They're not learning what kind of medicines a diabetic takes or any sort of these things.
[6:42]So I remember that time's just feeling like really defeated because I didn't have any
[6:47]sort of resources.
[6:48]I didn't know anybody.
[6:49]I was just really trying to figure this out the best that we can.
[6:54]And I just remember times really breaking down crying and being like, how am I going to
[6:59]figure this out?
[7:01]But, you know, when we love people and we decide to take care of them in a way, it really
[7:08]is sometimes unconditional.
[7:10]We just have to take care of them no matter what's going on.
[7:14]And fortunately, I was in a place where I could specifically like financially take care
[7:18]of it, but also have time to be able to like figure these things out.
[7:22]Now we're in a, now we're in a good pace and I have more understanding and some tools
[7:27]in my toolbox to really make it a lot smoother.
[7:29]But I really do feel for anybody at any age who's really starting to take care of their
[7:34]parents.
[7:35]It's a wild journey because it's hard, but it's also interesting to see our parents age
[7:43]and still be the same person, but just the things just function differently, you know?
[7:49]I don't know if either of you saw this was posted like yesterday, so this course will be
[7:53]maybe a little bit of old or news, but Bruce Willis is wife who just posted yesterday
[7:57]about caregivers and how she helps, how she tries to just put her best foot forward.
[8:03]And that's all you can do is try to like find something beautiful and just keep going.
[8:06]And I felt like that was so profound and seeing what sort of your whole message.
[8:10]Absolutely.
[8:11]I mean, you, you really cover some very deep ground throughout the book and you're, you
[8:18]know, let you like Zippy actually in her writing.
[8:20]You're very open with you too.
[8:22]Well, yes, but I mean, I mean, I always press by how even on Instagram, you're so honest
[8:28]with people about how you're feeling in a cody that's absolutely what we get from your
[8:32]book.
[8:33]And was there anything that you really didn't want to write about or that was, you know,
[8:37]maybe that you ended up getting cut, but something that just felt like actually you couldn't
[8:42]be that open, you really didn't want to go there?
[8:46]And I got this question a lot like no, nothing has what's kind of off limits.
[8:51]I'm an open book.
[8:52]We might have changed a few names of boyfriends to like not be too petty, but you know,
[8:57]we did, we did do that.
[8:59]I think that so much of the things that we consume are so curated and such bullshit and so
[9:06]boring that it's not authentic and sometimes we just really can't relate to it.
[9:11]And I think people have found me and really connect to the point that I'm, they feel
[9:16]that I'm authentic, that I'm real, that I'm raw.
[9:19]And I wanted to infuse this book with that same type of energy.
[9:23]I'm doing people at disservice to preach self love and share my share, share my journey
[9:31]of self love and then to water it down and not say that that, you know, the things that
[9:38]we're ashamed of, the hardships that we go through, the things that we have guilt about
[9:43]are all in that journey to loving ourselves and accepting ourselves and it's an ongoing
[9:48]process.
[9:49]It doesn't ever change.
[9:50]But if you're holding on to like, if I'm sitting here ashamed of certain things that
[9:53]happen my life, then I'm not really sharing it, then I can't tell you to like let go
[9:58]of shame and love yourself, you know?
[10:00]So I think it was important for me to just like be as real and honest and truthful about
[10:04]what was going on and hopefully people connect to that and they say to themselves like,
[10:10]okay, it's time for me to let go of shame that I'm holding on to.
[10:14]I definitely think it began like openness and authenticity,
[10:17]begets others doing. Yeah. When you see other people doing it, you're like, Oh, now I have
[10:21]their permission to do the same. Yeah. I also was so moved by your description of losing your
[10:27]best friend and even including the final texts and then all of your guilt about addiction
[10:34]and, you know, alcohol and all of it. And just like, how could you have helped? But how do you
[10:37]help somebody who's struggling and just that whole rabbit hole of emotion compounded by the grief
[10:42]itself? Sorry, I keep going to like these depressing things. You're such an upbeat, like fun guy. And
[10:47]I'm like, tell me about the worst moments of your life, please. So at least it can be my counterbalance
[10:51]here, but tell me a little more about that. And then we can go first and more fun.
[10:55]Yeah. No, let's, let's, let's get deep. I'm sure we'll get fun at some point.
[11:01]No, I think people need to hear this addiction is a really crazy thing. And I don't completely
[11:07]understand it because I don't experience it. And I've learned to have a lot more compassion with it,
[11:11]with relationships with my mom, losing my father. And most importantly, my friendship with Oscar,
[11:18]who we lost about three and a half years ago, it was, it was really challenging to see someone
[11:25]hurting themselves and continuously doing that. And also hard because he didn't know how to get
[11:33]out of that cycle. And you try to help as much as you can. And sometimes that help is not received
[11:43]because not because they don't care, but just because they can't. They're, they're, they're
[11:48]desire to hear you or love you is so overpowered by this demon that is just already infused into
[11:58]who they are that they literally cannot help it. And so it's, it is really challenging dealing with
[12:03]someone who's dealing with addiction. And when you get emotionally invested in your friendships,
[12:08]like we all do, we also have to create boundaries where we understand that we're, we're trying to
[12:14]help. We're trying to our best. We love them. But at a certain point, you can't let your
[12:21]desire to help someone or your love for somebody else outweigh your protecting of your own sanity
[12:32]and your own love for yourself. Like we have to come first. And if we don't have that, we can't
[12:39]help other people. And so I had to come to a place where I had to create a boundary and
[12:45]essentially love from afar and know that I've done my best and still ultimately that didn't,
[12:52]you know, unfortunately Oscar pass and it just wasn't enough. But as much as I beat myself up
[12:58]about, oh, I could have done that better. I could have done this. I do give myself a little bit of
[13:03]grace. And I think anybody who has a similar situation should give themselves a little bit of grace.
[13:09]We only know what we know when we know it. And 36 year old Cody knows a lot more than 30, 33 year
[13:17]old Cody. So, you know, I can only know what I knew then. I guess I'm so sorry that happened.
[13:24]I think that kind of the thing you said about being able to preserve yourself in your boundaries is
[13:29]something we hear from a lot of the listeners of this podcast who are not all moms. But certainly
[13:34]there are a lot of moms who listen to moms don't have time to read books. And, you know,
[13:39]this idea that you have to be able to take care of yourself before you're able to take care of and
[13:44]support others is incredibly challenging, but also like so fundamental to what we do. I mean,
[13:50]you know, we talk a lot about time and not having time on this podcast and in the many things
[13:54]that Zivia's done. What would you say to the moms out there who feel like they don't have the time
[14:00]for that kind of self love that you're advocating for in your part or even the time to just take
[14:06]a Peloton class for sure. No, listen, I don't know what it's like to be a mom. I have so much
[14:13]respect for the mothers out there. It is, you know, a really challenging job and you don't get paid
[14:21]for it. You get paid in love and getting to your child grow up and be the best version of
[14:25]themselves, hopefully. And I think it comes back to that feeling of grace or giving ourselves grace
[14:34]and understanding that there's a ton of mommy bloggers out there and people who have curated lives
[14:41]that make it seem like, oh, I should be able to have an hour of time to myself a day to do the
[14:48]facial, do the workout, do the meditation, all these sort of things. And that's not reality. We've
[14:52]all got really busy lives and everyone's a little bit different. So a, give yourself a little bit
[14:57]of grace that it's not as perfect as you want it to be. And then most importantly, like, okay,
[15:04]maybe don't have 20 minutes. Do you have five minutes? Can you just like, can you lock yourself in
[15:08]the bathroom and take some deep breaths? You know, can you, you know, listen to a podcast while you're
[15:15]on the go. Where in the day can you find those little moments that prioritize yourself and don't be
[15:22]yourself up if it's not as big or as meaty as you want it to be, give yourself a little bit of
[15:29]grace and try to fit in little, little moments that you can and know that it's not, also like, it's
[15:34]not selfish. Like, I know you love your kids, but you also have to love yourself and pour from a
[15:41]already, I'm sure, very empty cup. Cody, I'm, I'm curious. Thank you for that advice. By the way,
[15:46]maybe I'll now go and take five minutes and probably not. You often talk in the book about
[15:53]like, you can't believe you're here, like that you've attained this level. You have a whole
[15:57]section of like, I can't believe now I can drink out of green glass bottles to have water and
[16:02]like how, how you've really made it ordering two advertisers and all of that. How do you feel about
[16:07]sort of achieving this level of fame that you might not have anticipated? I mean, I know you
[16:12]wanted to be a dancer and all that, but how does it feel like, how does that feel to you? How
[16:16]do you wrestle with that on a daily basis, like becoming a brand? You know, I'm a true Gemini. So it's
[16:21]like, there's a multitude of emotions and I can go one way or the other. I am really grateful
[16:28]that I have this and it does excite me and bring me a lot of joy that I can, you know, that I
[16:37]have success. Like honestly, the fame part of it isn't honestly like what really drives me. I do
[16:44]kind of the success part of it. I guess the monetary, the monetary part of it allows me to kind of
[16:50]like feed my inner child and give to my inner child a lot of the things that it that I didn't have.
[16:56]I mean, everyone always asked me like, why do I love to go to Disney World? And it's because
[17:01]I remember going to Disneyland when I was a kid with my mom and you know kids at these places,
[17:06]they want that snack and that toy and that t-shirt and that drink. And you know, I could always
[17:12]ask my mom for those things. And I know and in a way, I knew it like hurt her so much to be able to
[17:19]have to say no because she literally could not afford it. And so in a way that monetary success
[17:24]that I have now very much like feeds my inner child and kind of gives it what what I didn't have.
[17:32]And so that brings me a lot of joy and also being able to like give back to my mom and make
[17:36]sure that she's taking care of. I think for the longest time, she's felt like she hasn't done
[17:40]enough and doesn't know what she's going to do next. And I think taking some of that stress away
[17:44]from her really does bring me a lot of joy. And when it comes to like having a platform,
[17:50]it's just nice to be able to affect people's lives and have them think that like what I do has
[17:55]positive impact on their mental health, their physical health, how they love themselves, how they
[18:01]go out into the world, how they find courage. And I'm fortunate that what I, the job that I do does
[18:07]affect people and that I get to hear that it affects people. And so that really does bring me a lot
[18:13]of joy and happiness. Thank you. So the subtitle to this book is an opinionated homosexual's
[18:18]guide to self-love relationships and tactful pettiness, which I love. And you are clearly a man of
[18:24]very strong opinions. There are many of them in the book. So can you tell me one time where you
[18:30]have changed your mind about something or someone? That is, oh, that is good. I feel like, oh, why
[18:40]don't I have this? This is a good question. And now I don't have like something that popped up
[18:44]on my mind, like right away. I'm trying to think of like a food. I know it's not Taylor Swift.
[18:51]It's definitely not Taylor Swift. I haven't changed my mind. But like love y'all for the
[18:55]if you love her, you love her. Great job. Okay, maybe. And this is kind of like not a very good one.
[19:02]But I have really moved into, I've never said that Beyonce is bad or anything like that. I just
[19:07]say, and I've never said that Beyonce is overrated. But I have never like put her so high up in my
[19:13]hierarchy of female pop stars. And you know, Brittany hasn't really put out music in a while. And
[19:20]she's on her own journey of figuring out herself right now. And so I feel like Beyonce is now
[19:26]becoming like my number one where I'm just like such and off her like performances and what she
[19:32]gives and the talent and the awareness. And so it really excites me. So I don't know if I haven't
[19:39]done like a complete one evolution maybe in evolution. I wish I could think of the top of my head
[19:44]and something else that I know there's something. You're going to think of like 20 as soon as this
[19:49]I know there's something that I was like, I didn't like that at first, but I'm kind of into it now.
[19:55]I think I think spinning might have been that for me. I was never a big fan, but I have to say I'm
[20:00]So I think my longest fitness relationship is probably
[20:02]with my Peloton bike.
[20:04]I love that.
[20:05]I love that.
[20:06]And I think me working at Peloton made me fall in love
[20:09]with it more.
[20:10]It was only something that I did periodically.
[20:12]So it definitely gave me a little bit of love
[20:16]for cycling the more that I was at Peloton.
[20:19]Are you feeling about going out on tour
[20:20]and meeting so many of your fans face to face
[20:24]and let's different parts of the country?
[20:25]I'm excited.
[20:27]I'm excited and the tour aspect of it I'm excited about.
[20:32]I sometimes just, I know how much of an impact
[20:40]I have on people's lives.
[20:42]And so I kind of get a little bit stressed or worried
[20:45]that I'm not gonna be able to have really individualized
[20:49]like tons of times with people who are really excited
[20:51]to meet me and see me,
[20:54]knowing that there's gonna be like 1,000 people
[20:56]at a book signing.
[20:57]Like we're only gonna get a small morsel of time.
[21:00]So I hope that people understand that
[21:02]and they don't feel disappointed
[21:04]because when people come to the Peloton studios,
[21:08]there's like 40 bikes I think in the room.
[21:11]So I've got 40 people in the room
[21:13]and then we go out to the main space
[21:16]and we take a picture.
[21:18]I know how important it is to people.
[21:20]So I really try to spend like a little chunk of time
[21:23]being like, hey, how are you?
[21:25]Why are you here?
[21:26]Thank you so much.
[21:27]And so I do get a little worried
[21:28]that I won't have as much of that time with people.
[21:32]So I hope people don't get mad.
[21:34]No, let's go back, Cody.
[21:35]No, let's go back.
[21:36]No, let's go back.
[21:38]You're gonna be fine.
[21:39]Don't you think I think you're gonna be okay?
[21:40]Yeah, you're gonna be great.
[21:42]I think maybe some people will meet you
[21:44]and they'll just like be too stunned to say anything
[21:46]or burst into.
[21:47]I know and that happens.
[21:49]I think some of the, like me and my assistant right now
[21:54]are trying to like organize what the book tour events
[21:57]are gonna be like and what aspects of it
[21:59]we're gonna put in there.
[22:00]And so we're just getting that all together.
[22:02]And I feel like we're in good shape.
[22:04]So I hope it all like goes off really amazingly.
[22:08]Is there anyone that you're like, oh my gosh,
[22:10]I kind of don't want this person to read this book?
[22:15]No, I don't think so.
[22:17]You know, I wrote about my relationship
[22:20]with my Brazilian boyfriend, Mathias.
[22:22]And I purposely was like sent him the chunks of it
[22:27]to be like, hey, this is going the book.
[22:29]Do you want me to change your name?
[22:30]And so I sent it to him.
[22:32]He gave me the approval.
[22:33]So no, I think I think it's fine.
[22:36]I think everyone can have a good laugh at it.
[22:38]And I think anybody that might get offended by anything
[22:41]is missing the point.
[22:43]Do you have advice for aspiring authors?
[22:45]Oh, just give it your all.
[22:49]Don't hold back.
[22:50]Be as true and honest to yourself as you can be.
[22:54]Don't try to assume what people wanna read
[23:00]or people wanna consume and base your decisions on that.
[23:05]But rather like follow your intuition,
[23:07]create a book or content that is authentically you
[23:11]and the right people will flop to it.
[23:15]Like flies to honey.
[23:17]Is that the right?
[23:18]Is that the right phrase?
[23:19]These don't be so honey.
[23:22]No, I don't know.
[23:22]That makes more sense.
[23:24]I think it's shit to flies to shit.
[23:27]So I think that is beautiful of analogy,
[23:32]but it does, I guess it does make sense.
[23:35]Alicia has a speed round last question or two.
[23:38]Okay, that's good.
[23:39]Okay, well, I have design.
[23:40]So I was trying to figure out what you like to read.
[23:43]Okay.
[23:43]You got some books behind you.
[23:45]I know.
[23:46]I like a lot of self help or meditation or like advice books.
[23:50]I also like a lot of fiction.
[23:52]And I also really love a lot of like queer fiction.
[23:55]So like gay stories, I really love my favorite,
[23:58]my favorite book is Dance for the Dance,
[24:00]which is such a great read.
[24:02]I will be honest.
[24:04]I've been trying to get through a little life so much,
[24:06]but I just can't like, I haven't been able to like
[24:09]really dig into it.
[24:10]Every time I take it to the beach,
[24:12]I know, I just become addicted to the beach,
[24:14]I get distracted.
[24:15]So.
[24:16]No, no, that is not the book to bring to the beach.
[24:17]I know everyone says that.
[24:20]Everyone says that.
[24:21]I did design a smash or pass literary edition.
[24:25]Okay, great.
[24:26]For you.
[24:27]Do you want to play?
[24:28]Do you want to play a quick round?
[24:28]I'm going to be doing a time for this.
[24:29]We'll play another round.
[24:30]It's like one minute.
[24:32]Okay, okay.
[24:33]Okay, one minute, smash or pass literary edition.
[24:35]I think you'll know these.
[24:36]We'll start with Professor Dumbledore
[24:38]from Harry Potter.
[24:39]Oh, definitely, definitely smash.
[24:44]Because he's gay, isn't he gay?
[24:46]I think so.
[24:47]Yeah, like that's what J.K. Rowling said that he's gay.
[24:50]Yeah.
[24:51]Listen, just like every other gay and some girls,
[24:54]I have daddy issues.
[24:55]And so we have to get into our Dumbledore fantasy
[24:59]to let go of our daddy issues.
[25:01]Love it.
[25:02]Okay, Mr. Darcy from Pride and Prejudice.
[25:05]I have no idea who that is.
[25:07]I was thinking like movie also.
[25:08]I don't know.
[25:09]Okay.
[25:10]And I've never read Pride and Prejudice.
[25:11]Does that make me a bad feminist?
[25:13]Not at all.
[25:14]But it's a great book.
[25:15]Okay.
[25:16]You're like, okay, pass.
[25:17]Okay.
[25:18]Hamlet.
[25:19]Oh, I got someone with daddy issues.
[25:22]He didn't have a lot of wives, did he?
[25:26]No.
[25:27]Okay.
[25:28]No, although I do sometimes have to figure out
[25:30]which one is Hamlet, which one is McBeth in my head?
[25:32]Do you have had a bunch of wives, didn't he?
[25:34]Yeah, he had a very, he had an opinionated wife,
[25:39]actually.
[25:40]I bet.
[25:41]But also Ethan Hawke, Ethan Hawke played Hamlet
[25:43]and that was a really good movie.
[25:45]Oh my God.
[25:46]So then let's definitely smash because he's small.
[25:50]Ethan Hawke used to be one of my biggest crushes in the,
[25:54]like ever.
[25:55]Like he's so, he's so cute.
[25:56]Oh my God, he was so cute.
[25:58]I just watched, I just watched some movie.
[26:00]It was the one with him and Uma Thurman
[26:02]and he had his DNA and something.
[26:05]Oh my God, is it a gatica?
[26:07]Yeah, I think it's gatica, right?
[26:08]I love that movie.
[26:09]So good, he was so cute.
[26:12]I think that's it.
[26:13]If we're wrong, we'll just edit this part out.
[26:15]Well, what, it's okay.
[26:17]I could go in forever, but I feel like
[26:18]we're probably over time.
[26:20]I feel like trying to hit me with some other ones.
[26:22]Okay, well, I was gonna go for Sherlock Holmes
[26:24]as if he's gonna cut us off.
[26:26]Yeah, Sherlock Holmes smash.
[26:27]Yeah, like, of course, a detective,
[26:30]but like, don't cheat on him
[26:32]because he will fit, he will find it out.
[26:34]But a smoker.
[26:35]So you do have to think that's true.
[26:37]You know, it was what, it was what?
[26:39]1800s, you know, very.
[26:41]Everybody was a smoker, right?
[26:42]Very well, it's mine.
[26:43]It was a pipe.
[26:44]A pipe, yeah, pipe, pipe smoker, different.
[26:46]Nobody knew that smoking was bad for them.
[26:48]So I can't really like hold it against him.
[26:51]He was just a man of his times
[26:53]and everybody was smoking back then.
[26:54]So, you know, I'm not gonna hold it against him.
[26:57]I suspect we will not be the only people to play this
[26:59]with you on your book tour.
[27:01]So I'm glad I hope we're the first.
[27:03]I think so, actually.
[27:05]I think I think I think play it with anybody else.
[27:07]Well, thank you Cody.
[27:09]This was so fun.
[27:10]Thank you for sharing your soul with the world every day,
[27:13]but also in the book.
[27:14]And I'm really excited for all you have in store
[27:17]connecting with people even if it's only in two second
[27:19]increments on.
[27:20]Oh, good.
[27:21]All right.
[27:22]Well, thank you so much for having me and chatting.
[27:24]And I'm glad that you got to read it
[27:26]and enjoy it and give me search great feedback.
[27:28]It was so much fun.
[27:29]Thank you so much.
[27:30]And Zippy, thank you for letting me crash.
[27:32]Where are you both based?
[27:34]I live in Scotland in Edinburgh.
[27:36]Are you, what's that festival going on right now?
[27:38]Oh, yeah.
[27:39]All the festivals, all the festivals, okay.
[27:42]And where are you?
[27:42]I'm in water mill.
[27:43]I'm in the Hamptons right now.
[27:44]Sim.
[27:45]Oh, how luxurious and rich, okay?
[27:47]Yes.
[27:48]I'm drinking my teeth against glass water bottles all day.
[27:52]That's all I'm doing.
[27:53]She's like buying guac at Chipotle.
[27:55]And yes, exactly.
[27:57]Okay, and extra for Guac out here.
[27:58]All right.
[28:01]My friend.
[28:01]I could luck with the door.
[28:03]Take care.
[28:06]Thanks for listening to this episode of Moms Don't Have Time
[28:08]to Read Books.
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[28:27]for providing this fantastic intro and out trim music.