Emma Rosenblum, BAD SUMMER PEOPLE
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[1:03]Emma Rose in Bloom is the author of Bad Summer People, a novel, which I've recommended
[1:08]in like a million places already.
[1:10]Emma is Chief Content Officer at BDG, overseeing content and strategy for Bessel, Elite
[1:15]Daily, Nyland, the Zoey Report, Romper, Scary Mommy, Fatherly the Dad Inverse Input, Mike
[1:20]and Gocker.
[1:21]Bad Summer People is her first novel.
[1:23]Welcome, Emma.
[1:24]Thank you so much for coming on Moms.
[1:25]Don't have time to read books to discuss Bad Summer People, a novel.
[1:30]Thank you for having me.
[1:32]Well, it's wonderful to have you.
[1:35]This book was like utterly delicious.
[1:37]I don't know how else to say it.
[1:39]The fact that you jumped from everyone's point of view and so that we have this whole 360
[1:43]view of everything going on in Salcom.
[1:45]Is that how you pronounce it?
[1:46]Salcom?
[1:47]Yes.
[1:48]No B.
[1:49]Salcom.
[1:50]Salcom.
[1:51]Yeah.
[1:52]It's so wonderful and all the different relationships and yeah, I didn't want to put it down.
[1:57]Thank you.
[1:58]I appreciate it.
[2:00]So why don't you give a better synopsis of, I'm sure the book is in that.
[2:05]Sure.
[2:06]So Bad Summer People is set in this small town in Fire Island and it follows two main
[2:12]couples and then also a singleton and a tennis pro as they have drama throughout the
[2:19]whole summer.
[2:20]It starts with someone having died and you don't know who that person is and then
[2:23]rewinds to the beginning of the summer where you meet everybody and figure out the relationships
[2:28]and then by the end, obviously you find out what's happened and how it's happened and
[2:33]how this summer was so combustible as to lead to someone actually dying.
[2:38]Amazing.
[2:39]Well, I have to say, you know, my husband is a former tennis pro and that was, that's part
[2:46]of our story.
[2:47]So now I really want him to read this book too.
[2:49]Is the audio book coming out?
[2:50]Obviously a must be.
[2:51]It is.
[2:52]It's coming out.
[2:53]It's narrated by January.
[2:54]It's very amazing.
[2:57]She does the voices so well, but I would love for tennis pros to read it and give me
[3:01]feedback as to whether they think it's actually accurately depicting a tennis pro because
[3:07]I actually haven't had a tennis pro read it yet.
[3:09]So I would really love for your husband to do that for me.
[3:13]He would love to do that.
[3:14]He's actually out playing tennis right now and he knows, you know, he did this for 12
[3:17]years.
[3:18]He's a producer now, but he knows people everywhere, like the whole he's tapped into the
[3:22]whole community.
[3:24]And I know I've learned a lot about it from him.
[3:26]And so reading this from the tennis pros point of view was very funny, loved that.
[3:32]And of course, there was just so much upper east side, well, New York in general, but specific
[3:37]references and so much sort of just society observation, almost like a Jill Kargman style,
[3:44]you know, maybe not as much of a roasting with, it was not a roasting, you know, I feel like
[3:52]sometimes it's better to let people hang themselves with their, the way that they can.
[3:58]So it's very much like a straight on look at a certain kind of life and crowd and the
[4:04]type of person that lives on the upper east side and or, you know, owns a second home in
[4:08]the Hamptons or in Fire Island.
[4:11]And I just wanted it to be funny.
[4:12]It's really just kind of like a more of a satire than a roast.
[4:15]Yeah, that's a better way to say it.
[4:17]Even how even have the nanny Sylvia being upset that like now she has to be with this
[4:23]family in Fire Island and how much nays there was in the Hamptons and there she got
[4:27]her own wing and why does tennis practice end it new in any way in like, why does she have
[4:32]to work so hard?
[4:33]And that's also why I did it from different perspectives because obviously in any sort
[4:39]of small town or any kind of enclosed environment, everybody is the star of their own story.
[4:45]And so they're seeing things in a different way than other people.
[4:48]And so I thought it'd be interesting to add in the nanny's perspective to add in some
[4:51]of the peripheral characters, perspectives to see how everybody else thinks about everybody
[4:56]else in this in this town where everybody knows everybody and everybody's known everybody
[5:00]forever.
[5:01]Yep.
[5:02]And another thing that was interesting is your relationship, your portrait of the relationship
[5:06]between Sam and Jason and some of the more the intricacies of their complicated friendship
[5:12]and how it had gone on for so long and how sometimes the people you think are the closest
[5:17]you can't really stand to or, you know, just all the backstory and the, it's like all
[5:24]these hidden currents undercurrents among relationships and you do such a good job of kind
[5:30]of teasing them out, even among men, which I feel like a lot of books kind of ignore.
[5:35]You know, they don't delve into that as much focusing only on like female to female friendships,
[5:39]female to male.
[5:40]I like how there was that as well.
[5:42]Yeah.
[5:43]And I thought, you know, that's particularly in a place where people have known each other
[5:48]for so long.
[5:49]You do see men who have been friends for a very long time and I'm interested in that
[5:52]dynamic because I don't know it quite as well as I do female friendships.
[5:56]And so I thought it'd be fun to have a friendship where one of the parties in the friendship
[6:02]is just totally devoted and thinks that they're completely okay and the other one has
[6:06]been harboring this jealousy for basically his entire life.
[6:09]And how that plays out publicly, but also privately and how that also then leads to
[6:13]the events that, you know, set off this dramatic summer, basically, yes.
[6:19]And the bartender, Micah, that his name, he was a fabulous character as well.
[6:23]I know, you know, it's funny.
[6:24]That was really the main note that I got from my editor, Megan Lynch at Flatiron, who's
[6:29]amazing.
[6:30]And she did not have many edits for the book, but the, the one thing she wanted was more
[6:36]from Micah because I really only had him at first as a single chapter.
[6:40]And so then the second draft of the book was very much just incorporating him more
[6:45]throughout.
[6:46]And he is, it was such a fun thing to do as a writer because I just loved him also.
[6:50]So I was like, oh, that's easy.
[6:51]I'll plug him in here.
[6:52]I'll plug him in here.
[6:53]But he also provided that kind of, you know, insider outside or perspective because
[7:00]he's younger than the rest of the characters.
[7:02]He's not quite as like ruined by life as the rest of the characters.
[7:07]So for him to witness kind of what grown ups are doing in a way that's disturbing
[7:12]Dan was fun to write as well.
[7:14]Yeah.
[7:15]It's so great.
[7:16]And then of course you have some infidelity coursing throughout, everyone's thinking, what
[7:23]is, did you make up the signal app or is that a real thing?
[7:27]No, signals real.
[7:28]And it's an action that actually I.
[7:32]So I'm not, my full time job is not being a fiction writer.
[7:36]I work in media.
[7:37]I'm a chief content officer of a digital media company called Butzel Digital Group.
[7:42]And we use signal to communicate amongst ourselves on our executive team because just
[7:50]in terms and a lot of companies do this now because it disappears.
[7:53]So there's never a record of what you're saying to each other.
[7:56]Whatever loss who comes up, they cannot bring up what you've said on signal, not that
[8:00]we say anything bad, but just again for like protective purposes.
[8:04]So I thought it was very funny to then put it in the context of personal use to be like,
[8:08]oh, actually, if you're having an affair, this is the app that you would use because it
[8:12]completely disappears after a minute of reading it.
[8:16]It's kind of like the snapshot of like communications, but it's completely encrypted also
[8:20]so they can never bring it up.
[8:21]Nobody can ever find out what you've ever said.
[8:23]Wow.
[8:24]Can you screenshot it though?
[8:26]Yes.
[8:28]You can.
[8:29]Okay.
[8:30]I'm supposed to do that.
[8:33]They need to do an app like that, but that screenshots don't work.
[8:38]You know?
[8:39]Yeah.
[8:40]I think, you know, you're not supposed to screenshot it, but you can, but I'm not sure if
[8:44]that technology exists, but I'll have to look into it.
[8:47]But I think so.
[8:49]But sometimes with screeners, like movies you want ahead of time, you can't screenshot.
[8:54]I know.
[8:56]They must have a way.
[8:58]They must have a way.
[8:59]We'll have to dig into this.
[9:01]But secondly, and so, yes, some of the communication amongst a couple that's having an
[9:07]affair takes place on this app, which I thought was fine.
[9:12]And then you have Rachel who lives and dies by this community.
[9:17]And it's so funny because it could be this.
[9:20]It could be like a teenager whose whole life is sleep away camp.
[9:26]So there are all these scenarios where your main life is not like your favorite part
[9:31]of life.
[9:32]And what happens when like the rest of it is not as good and you have to wait only for
[9:38]summer or only for these, you know, vacation or whatever, where the community you feel
[9:43]most at home actually is operating.
[9:45]Yeah.
[9:46]That's an interesting point about Rachel that I hadn't necessarily thought about in the context
[9:49]of like a sleepaway camp kind of person, but I actually do think there's types of women
[9:53]particularly who like thrive in some places and then that's not their whole self.
[9:58]And that's Rachel.
[10:00]for sure. She is very important in this community, particularly in the social aspect of the
[10:05]community. She's always throwing parties. She knows what's happening with everybody. But then when
[10:09]you back away and get into her New York City life, she's very unhappy there. She's not married.
[10:15]She has no children. And to her, those two things really signify that she hasn't succeeded in
[10:20]life, not that they should signify that, but to her that it does signify that. And she feels
[10:26]was very dissatisfied in that way. And that kind of allows her to, I mean, she stirs up trouble
[10:32]because she feels so unhappy herself, which again, I mean, everybody knows, and people I've been
[10:39]guilty of doing that too when you're most unhappy or like, how am I going to ruin someone else's life?
[10:43]I feel horrible. So that's the character Rachel. And she was a very interesting and fun character
[10:51]to write as well for that reason because we as women, as we get older, know certain people who
[10:58]feel like they haven't like checked all those boxes. So she to me was like that kind of person who
[11:04]again, even if it doesn't mean anything really that she hasn't. But to her, it's very
[11:10]embarrassing and it makes her feel lesser than so poor Rachel.
[11:16]I don't know. Emma, I'm starting to worry about you. You're trying to get back at people.
[11:22]You might have a whole book about that people. I mean, what should we know about you?
[11:26]This is like, you know, that's a funny point. I'm a lizard. I'm not having a fear of anybody. I haven't
[11:33]killed anyone nor am I. I'm quite lovely. I think it's someone once told me. So I, again, my
[11:42]background is in media, in magazines, I've written for magazines for my entire career,
[11:47]only nonfiction. This is the first time that I tried fiction. And it was so fun to switch
[11:53]from nonfiction to fiction for that reason, not to be bad, but to allow your kind of what
[12:01]people are really thinking impulses to come to the world. What, you know, the meaner side of
[12:08]women's friendships, the sort of, you know, the, when people are having affairs and ruin their
[12:14]marriages, like that's not necessarily something that in nonfiction, you get to just explore
[12:19]because you're very much writing the facts. You're writing books, what people say. I love writing
[12:23]dialogue, fictional dialogue, because I could just make it up. And a lot of times when you're writing
[12:29]a magazine article, you're like, oh, man, if they had said this quote, I would have ended with it,
[12:34]and the story would have been perfect, you know, but they don't end. So you can't put it in,
[12:38]you don't have a great kicker. But in fiction, you get to put the words in their mouths. So that
[12:43]was like a really fun thing. And I don't, I just felt like someone, and again, someone once said
[12:48]to me like, in fiction, you can be mean because it's not you. And that's not it, not something that
[12:54]you actually get to really indulge in in your real life. And again, not mean necessarily,
[12:59]but also funny, mean, right. And so that was, that was a fun thing. But that's, you know, I'm,
[13:06]I'm not any of these characters. I know I'm not, I didn't think that you are. It's just kind of
[13:11]playing with it. But yeah, you can say all the things you might want to say in fiction. It's
[13:15]people don't, you know, and this is another thing where I feel that women are not, you know,
[13:20]we're taught very early to be very nice to people's faces to be completely polite.
[13:26]And then you get along with your best friend. And what do you do? You like talk to it about
[13:31]all the other people that you were just talking to, you know, you're saying this person was
[13:34]a bitch to me, this person, that's not how publicly women function. So I thought it was fun
[13:40]also to go behind that curtain and actually go in someone's mind, someone who is not necessarily
[13:46]a great person. I'm calling them all bad people. And to see what they're actually thinking
[13:50]versus what they're saying to a larger world or to somebody else. And the way that they're,
[13:57]you know, acting in the world versus their interior.
[14:00]Like you even had a line about Rachel where she literally was like, I think you said well,
[14:04]maybe I didn't underline it, but he said something like she could feel she was like losing
[14:09]Lauren's attention. And so she knew it was time she had to put in a new piece of gossip.
[14:14]You know, like you could feel like she feels it and she knows that's her currency. Like that is
[14:19]the value add of her. He doesn't know herself. But yeah, that was, you know, again, it was just so
[14:24]fun to to write something that was so as you, you called it like delicious like frothy, you know,
[14:31]that kind of thing to me. It just felt like a real escape from my other job in my life. And so
[14:37]that's how I mean, let's, let's go back to you and your job and your life and all that. So
[14:44]how did you get started even in the magazine world? And did you want to be a writer? Like where did
[14:49]where did you grow up? What's your whole story? I grew up in Westchester outside of New York City.
[14:54]So I'm certainly like a New York person for my entire life, which again made it pretty easy to
[14:58]write a book that was set in this world. And in college, I majored in English. I always thought
[15:04]I wanted to be a writer. It was the easiest thing for me in school. And I was good at it. So I was like,
[15:08]well, I'll do that, right? I'm not going to be a lawyer. That sounds boring. So at the time in college,
[15:16]I was able to get an internship at New York magazine the summer before my senior year. And
[15:23]again, media was a slightly, it was a slightly different time. That was like the coolest job you
[15:28]could get in the world was to work at New York magazine in 2003 or when I was graduating college.
[15:33]And so I started there and I ended up transitioning from an intern to like an editorial assistant.
[15:38]And from there, I kind of, I was at New York magazine for about eight years really learning how to
[15:43]write and edit from magazines and working with this smartest people I'd ever met. And it was
[15:50]really exciting and fun. And then from there, I decided I wanted to try women's magazine. So I
[15:56]became an editor like glamour. And then I went to business week doing all of their kind of lifestyle
[16:05]like non business news for that for that magazine. Then I was at El magazine as the executive
[16:11]editor for two years after which I transitioned to my now job, which is at Bustle Digital Group,
[16:16]which was actually my first all digital job. So I just kind of worked my way up and have been in
[16:22]this industry for a while. And at a certain point, stopped writing so much. When I was younger,
[16:29]I would write lots of like profiles of actresses and actors and do a lot of Q&As and a lot of
[16:36]you know, news art. Like I just was writing all the time and also editing. But then as I grew in my
[16:40]career, I got farther away from the writing just because my job became more managerial and more about
[16:46]like budgets and head down and less about like the creative side, which is what I really put into it
[16:50]for. And at a certain point, I thought, okay, maybe I want to write a non fiction book. I want to
[16:55]write something. I just really missed it. And I kept thinking to myself like, that's what I'm
[17:00]actually good at. I'm not, you know, media is one of these industries where the higher up you get
[17:05]the farther away you get from the thing that you really are like talented at. I'm like, I'm not,
[17:11]you know, I can run an organization sure. I'm like a competent person who's able to deal with
[17:18]like P&L's, but like is that really my skill? Like I'm a funny writer. I'm good at headlines. Like
[17:24]how can I use that in a side project? And so over COVID, when I wrote this about two
[17:30]summer to go now this summer of 21, I just, you know, decided I was like, you know what, I'm going
[17:36]to try to write a chapter of fiction and see if maybe that could like scratch the itch that I
[17:41]have right now for something creative to do while also doing my other job. And so I started with
[17:47]this chapter of Lauren coming out on the ferry. And I was in Fire Island at the time when I wrote
[17:53]it. So it was pretty easy to be inspired by the setting. I had always gone out there every summer
[17:57]of my life, basically my parents have a house out there. And then from there, it just, it was pretty
[18:04]quick in terms of being able to guide. And I knew also someone had to die. So I was like, okay,
[18:08]someone's dead. I have this character. She's definitely married. And then I just went from there.
[18:14]And so I wrote it over the course of that summer again while also doing my current job. So I kind of
[18:20]of did it in between Zooms. And, you know, I would like pull it up whenever and like mess with it.
[18:25]But you know, you've read it. It's not the kind of book where I is very much a plot driven book.
[18:31]It wasn't, and also to go back to your question about what I did and how I got here. I had learned
[18:37]how to write really fast because I've worked weekly magazines my whole life. I've always been on
[18:42]deadlines. I've always, I've never, I've been taught not to be super precious about the words to
[18:49]just like get out the story, the story, the story. And like, so it was, it was pretty easy for me to
[18:54]get through once I knew that I had an end to like find my way to the end. And then I had it
[19:01]dropped. It was pretty quick. It was like four months. And I was like, oh, I think I wrote a book.
[19:05]I don't know what this is. It's a very long word document. So I wrote that. That's a very long
[19:12]answer to your question of who are you and where are you from? It's supposed to be a long answer.
[19:16]The whole point is like, you know, use the time. So people can know you. And you know, I love it.
[19:21]I think it really helps to know people's backstory. Right? You can put everything kind of in
[19:24]context. And I don't know. I think it's, it's really helpful. And then when you read the book,
[19:29]you know, a little bit more like, where is this coming from? And I don't know. I think I personally,
[19:33]I think it always gives a lot more meaning to the book, which is what I do this podcast.
[19:38]I love listening about author's lives as well. It's super interesting to me too.
[19:42]So what happened after you wrote the book? Did you then you went out and found an agent or what
[19:45]happened? Yeah, I had a different person and I'd been speaking to at a different company that I
[19:50]ended up with about possibly nonfiction project. And again, I didn't really know what to do with
[19:57]this. This is not my.
[20:00]world fiction. And I didn't really know if it was anything, honestly. Like I kept saying to my husband,
[20:05]I was like, you know, if someone buys this for like a hundred dollars, like I'd be so thrilled. Like
[20:11]take us out to, you know, lunch in New York City. And I'd be like, yay, this was someone's going to
[20:17]read this. But I didn't have any hopes higher than that. And one company kind of read it and was
[20:23]like a little bit like, oh, it's kind of in between genres. It's not really for us. It's like,
[20:27]and I kind of had not been speak. I didn't do the research that writers do, which is like
[20:32]find the, you know, the agent that's really, you know, aligned with the kind of book this is like,
[20:38]again, I was kind of busy. So I was like, I sent it to literally one person who was like,
[20:43]not sure. And I was like, okay, well, whatever. I tried that, you know, and then I reread it at some point
[20:52]after I had gotten that kind of tepid response. And I was like, you know what, I'm a professional editor.
[20:58]I was like, this is not that. I was like, this is not the best book I've ever had in my life.
[21:04]But this could be published. I like just knew that it could. And I then did a little research into
[21:10]the kinds of, you know, mass commercial fiction books that possibly could align with this kind of
[21:16]of book. And then I found my now agent just by sending her, I was like, oh, she's represents Kevin
[21:22]Quon and Lucy Foley. I was like, this feels right. And so I sent it to her and she immediately liked
[21:27]it. And was like, we can tell this and sold it in like a week. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was more about
[21:32]just like finding the right amazing agent. But again, it was my stupid, like I should have just done
[21:37]that initially. But it wasn't, this was not until like the past few months, this book has not been
[21:43]my main case. So this month it is. But like I, it, it was very much like a side thing that I was
[21:52]doing. And so yeah, I was super happy with how that all panned out. And it was bought by
[21:57]fat iron. And, you know, I love my editor. And she's super smart. And they bought another book.
[22:03]So I have another book coming from them. It's all like, it's been a really fun, unexpected,
[22:09]like twist in my career. That's awesome. What's your next book about? And have you started it?
[22:15]I have a draft. You have a draft. Good for you. That's what I see other thing where, you know,
[22:20]my, my editor was like, this is, because I get really, I need stuff to do. I, I'm pretty like
[22:27]efficient with my time. So once I handed in, once that summer people was done, essentially,
[22:33]I wanted something else to mess with. And I had this idea about an executive team. So it's not like
[22:40]a, you know, it's not connected to bad summer people at all. But it definitely takes place in the
[22:44]same kind of, it's the same genre. So an executive team of a tech company, not a media company,
[22:49]but I certainly have experience working on executive teams. And so this tech company is on the
[22:55]verge of being sold to like a huge company like a Google or whatever. And they go down to Miami for
[23:02]retreat, a team building retreat and have a large drunken celebration to celebrate that they're
[23:11]all going to become rich beyond their wildest dreams. And the next morning, one of them has disappeared.
[23:16]And you don't know where she's gone. What does this mean for the company? And so the action kind
[23:23]of stems from that and stuff is revealed. And it's also, you know, a kind of funny satire of the
[23:28]world of like tech wealth and the CEO is like a, you know, a crazy quirky, Adam Newman-esque figure.
[23:38]So that is the next book. Does that have a title yet? Yes, billion-dollar babies.
[23:47]Well, that's the working title, but everyone seems to like it. So amazing. Was this the title
[23:52]allowing for bad summer people? No. At first, it was, we'll all be back next year, which is a
[23:59]reference to a song that they sang in the town. And then my agent Alan Sanders did not love that
[24:06]one. And I didn't really love it either, but whatever. And so then we, she had me come up with
[24:10]a list of like 40 titles, which was actually a fun exercise for a person that has, you know,
[24:15]rights headlines for a living. And we still weren't really hitting it. And then my mom said to me,
[24:23]I said, you know, I can't figure out a title for this manuscript. She was like, well, it's just about
[24:28]beach breaths. Emma. And I was like, beach breaths. And so then I took beach breaths and sort of like
[24:34]iterated on that and came up with bad summer people. And my agent loved it. And so we submitted it
[24:39]with that title. So it's had that title since we sold it. Wow. Yeah. So great. Do you feel like
[24:47]when you go back to Fire Island this summer, people are going to be like, how are we looking to respond?
[24:54]Well, so last summer, we had a bit of a curve level in Fire Island because well, the book is
[25:02]obviously super fictional and not based on any actual residents of the town of Salter, which is where
[25:10]my parents have a home. Certainly, there are like stock characters that I've built on with personalities
[25:17]that I just made up and backstories that I made up that possibly you would think could be
[25:22]so much now. And last summer, the manuscript, which was completely unedited and had placeholder
[25:29]which was my mistake of like real people in town. I was like, there's so many characters in this
[25:35]book, as you know, if you've read it, where people would ride by on their bike in front of our
[25:39]house. And I would literally input their name in the manuscript as I was going, not to a character
[25:44]related to them, but just like as a placeholder. I used my best friend from college name. I had
[25:48]my husband's name in there. Like, there's a lot of names that you have to make up, which is something
[25:52]you don't think about before you're writing a book where you're like, I have to think of these
[25:56]names and not necessarily. So that version of the manuscript, which is the one we sold, which is
[26:01]the one my agent had sent out, had gone to a number of places in Hollywood to sell the option
[26:08]rights, a lot of places, because I guess they send it out wide. And it didn't end up getting sold,
[26:13]but that's a different story. So that version went on someone's found its way to someone's desk
[26:19]in a production company whose stepmother is a resident of Saltare. She sent it to her stepmother
[26:28]who sent it around. So everybody in the town last summer at my unedited manuscript with
[26:34]placeholder names of real people. And it was a big drama. And it ended up as an article in business
[26:43]insider and in the Daily Mail, as like media exec exposes down secrets in an unpublished manuscript.
[26:49]It was so embarrassing. And I learned my lesson to never use it, but it's real name even as a
[26:55]placeholder, but it was slightly annoying too, because it was obviously a version of the book that
[26:59]I didn't want people to read, because it hadn't been edited. There were like typos like this is
[27:06]not something, you know, that this hadn't gone through any copy, it hadn't gone through anything.
[27:11]So I'm hoping that last summer was the summer where the drama occurred, and that this summer
[27:16]it's just going to be all like everybody's going to laugh about it and be, you know, be excited.
[27:21]We're hosting a book. My mom does those two party for me, Saltare Yacht Club, to just be like,
[27:28]we're celebrating with the town. But it's certainly inspired by the town. And, you know, I think
[27:34]actually like I just thought it would be fun for everybody to see their town reflected in a
[27:38]fictional book, but you never know how people are going to react. Oh my gosh. Well, I'm sorry
[27:44]that happened last summer. And yeah, mine, you know, it's like all press is good. Yeah.
[27:50]Wait, what's the news about the screen adaptation? Oh, yeah. I mean, it hasn't been announced
[27:55]publicly this. Okay. We sold the option rights to Amazon Prime. So, you know, it has a writer attached,
[28:00]there's a script, but it's fingers crossed obviously for anything like this. I think, you know,
[28:05]it's the kind of book that people in Hollywood were excited to potentially adapt because it's
[28:12]obviously got that kind of like rich person, big little lies, ask white low to see vibe. So, that was
[28:20]an interesting process to go through to have people read the manuscript and talk through like what
[28:25]their vision would be for the TV show and what their vision would be. So, the hope is that it gets
[28:29]made. Again, I'm just happy to be along for the ride and be excited that there's even the
[28:34]potential of that because, you know, as you know, those projects can die at it. Well, no, this would
[28:41]be such a wonderful. I could just, I mean, you write it as if it's a movie. Like, I can see it all
[28:46]playing out in my head. So, I feel like it's such a natural for the screen. But I loved, I mean,
[28:52]this will be on everybody's beach blankets this summer. I can just see it. It's wonderful. It's also
[29:00]great. Like, for a flight when you're worried you're going to pick a book that like won't get you
[29:04]all the way there. This was going to get you all the way there. You don't even like it. You're going to
[29:10]finish. No, what's not to like? No, it's really delicious. It's just fun. It's just supposed to be
[29:16]fun. And really like, yeah, in BT, juicy, you know, an antidote to anything if you're feeling
[29:23]depressed or if you're feel like you've been reading books that are sort of more homeworky,
[29:28]you know, can this book as a pallet cleanser? Yes, love it. Well, I'm a congratulations,
[29:34]really exciting. And I can't wait to watch all of the success as it comes out and all that.
[29:38]I appreciate it. Thank you so much for your support. Of course. All right, take care. Bye,
[29:43]see me. Bye-bye.
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