Susan and James Patterson, THINGS I WISH I TOLD MY MOTHER
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[1:03]Susan Patterson and Susan Delallo, along with the one and only James Patterson.
[1:10]Our authors of the novel Things I Wish I Told My Mother.
[1:14]James Patterson is one of the best-known and biggest-selling writers of all time.
[1:19]And he's been on this podcast twice before, once for his memoir, and once for House of
[1:23]Wolves with Mike Luvica.
[1:25]His books have sold an excess of 400 million copies worldwide.
[1:28]He's the author of some of the most popular series of the past two decades.
[1:32]The Alex Cross, Women's Murder Club Detective Michael Bennett, and Private Novels, and
[1:36]has written many other number-one best-sellers, including standalone thrillers, and nonfiction.
[1:42]He's passionate about encouraging children to read, inspired by his own son, who was
[1:46]a reluctant reader.
[1:47]He also writes a range of books for young readers, including the middle school, dog diaries,
[1:51]treasure hunters, and max Einstein series.
[1:53]James has donated millions in grants to independent book shops, and has been the most borrowed
[1:57]adult author and UK libraries for the past 14 years in a row.
[2:01]He lives in Florida with his family.
[2:03]And interestingly, on shelf awareness, there was just an excerpt that he tweeted concern
[2:08]about the process by which a book becomes a New York Times best-seller, so you can dig into
[2:13]that if you are interested.
[2:15]Susan Solly Patterson is his wife, but now she is the main author on this book.
[2:20]She has a Bachelor of Science, Master of Fine Arts degree from the University of Wisconsin
[2:25]Madison, where she was also an all-American swimmer.
[2:28]She is the author of the children's book, big words for little geniuses, and New York
[2:32]Times best-seller.
[2:34]Things I wish I told my mother is her first book for adults.
[2:38]The book was also written by Susan Delalo.
[2:40]Welcome to day I have Susan Patterson and James Patterson here to talk about things I wish
[2:47]I told my mother a novel.
[2:49]Welcome.
[2:50]Thank you, thank you.
[2:51]Thanks for having us.
[2:52]I have to say at first I thought this was going to be a memoir, and then I was like,
[2:55]oh, this didn't really happen.
[2:58]Like what did they wish they told?
[3:00]Anyway, why don't you tell listeners a little bit about the book and what inspired the
[3:05]idea for it and what it's about?
[3:08]Go for it.
[3:09]Well, my mom passed away almost four years ago, and we were really close, but you know,
[3:16]mothers and daughters have their dynamics.
[3:19]And just about a week afterwards, it just really struck me that I was really bothered.
[3:24]I had something to tell her, and I couldn't, and I wasn't anything significant or whatever,
[3:28]but I just sort of blurted the title out, and James said, oh, I think that could be a
[3:35]really nice book, so instead of evolving.
[3:37]Yeah, I thought that it was a great title, and in my opinion, having been involved a
[3:43]little bit, and having read it now a couple of times, that the book lives up to the title,
[3:48]which for me anyway.
[3:50]Absolutely.
[3:52]It just was really great.
[3:53]I mean, having them accumulated all of her things and going through her things and how it
[4:02]is, you discover things that you hadn't seen in the long time.
[4:06]It was just so many memories and everything else, and you know, the stories is fiction,
[4:13]but there were a few little probably truths woven in through it, and just the idea of
[4:19]travel.
[4:20]And my parents always took me to great places growing up, and as a result, I also did the
[4:25]same with Jack.
[4:26]We still go on trips that's our song, but you know, so it was just sort of a journey,
[4:31]sort of a journey like that, and you know, I kind of, you know, honoring my mom, and it
[4:36]was a great joy to write.
[4:37]And then Susan Delala also lost her mom in the same year, and she had sort of a different
[4:43]experience with her.
[4:44]So I mean, it was really, it was all great.
[4:47]We had such a wonderful time doing it.
[4:49]And the Susan's mother was 98, and Susan Delala's mother was 93, and both died in the
[4:54]same year.
[4:55]This isn't about them, as you said, the city is not, it's not a memoir, but it is a novel
[4:59]about two other women.
[5:02]And they're very different.
[5:03]One is a doctor, and she's a little stern, and she's, you know, and then the other,
[5:08]the daughter is an artist, and they couldn't be more different.
[5:14]And they, what happens in the book is they decide they're going to go to Europe and
[5:17]travel together.
[5:18]And they'd like to set up being mother and daughter.
[5:21]They want to evolve into being best friends and adults, and of course that doesn't really
[5:27]happen, but it's a nice thought.
[5:29]The idea was we had to, we have to go to Paris, right, because you have to go to Paris.
[5:34]And that's actually one thing that Jack and I hosted, if we picked some place to go,
[5:38]so we had to go to Paris, but, and then my heritage being mostly Norwegian that was just,
[5:44]and I just thought it was a different place that most people, you know, maybe one is aware,
[5:48]but it's such a beautiful place with such nice people, and yeah, a little different.
[5:54]Well, I'm so sorry about the loss of your mother, and I lost my grandmother at 97,
[6:00]and it doesn't matter how old they are.
[6:02]You still miss us as much.
[6:04]It doesn't mean like, oh, I get it, they're that age.
[6:06]It's still like the sense of loss and the love that's like no longer in the world so much.
[6:11]Anyway, and to his mother was so sharp, even at 99, 98, whatever.
[6:17]And she had, she was a double major at University of Wisconsin.
[6:21]She was an economics and nursing, because in those days they thought it was impractical,
[6:27]or just to be an economics major.
[6:30]You know, otherwise she probably would have been running a Merrill Lynch or something, you know.
[6:34]But a very smart, very smart.
[6:36]But what she always used to say that to me too, she said, you just can't believe my age.
[6:40]I mean, I don't feel any different inside.
[6:43]I mean, my age, she just was always blown away, and she always used to
[6:46]say about her age.
[6:48]It took, she got to be 97.
[6:50]And then she started using it the other way.
[6:52]She's like, do you realize how old are you?
[6:55]But it was all, you know, it was fun.
[6:56]But she did.
[6:57]She really, I'll never wanted anybody to know her age.
[7:01]She did, you know, for the girl from Wisconsin.
[7:04]She was pretty sharp in terms of, I mean, she was,
[7:08]had, you know, she was a beautiful dresser.
[7:10]She loved, you know, great elegance and all that.
[7:14]But it was kind of funny because she would be thinking about it.
[7:16]Like, I don't know where she, you know, wore all these things.
[7:19]But one of the cool things about the book to me is just the way we're all laughing here.
[7:23]There's a lot of laughter in the book and tears and tears.
[7:27]And I think that's appropriate for a mother-daughter,
[7:31]but which, which it really is.
[7:32]And I mean, obviously they're all this.
[7:34]But, but it's, it's a real, it's a rich vein.
[7:37]I mean, it really is such, such an area.
[7:39]And I'm sure most of the people watching listening can appreciate, you know,
[7:44]yeah, okay, yeah, my mom.
[7:46]Oh, yeah, my daughter.
[7:47]Yeah, they all have their own.
[7:48]They may not be exactly that same story,
[7:50]but they all have a story for sure.
[7:54]They can drive you nuts sometimes,
[7:56]but that's, that's what I tell Jack.
[7:58]That's my job, right?
[8:00]And I, I used to tell him, hey, you weren't born with a set of instructions.
[8:04]So yeah, you know what that's like good.
[8:08]My daughter said like usually, usually you don't annoy me,
[8:11]but like sometimes you do.
[8:12]And I'm like, but don't I annoy you when I'm saying no to the things that you want?
[8:15]And she's like, well, yeah, like that's what happens.
[8:18]You know, that I'm doing a good job.
[8:20]You know, I love the idea in the book, how you constructed it around one of those
[8:25]Hail Mary moments when the mothers in the hospital in the beginning and the daughter says,
[8:29]well, if we get out of here, like a promise, we'll just go on a trip.
[8:32]And I could just feel myself saying something like that and then like not thinking through
[8:36]and then all of a sudden you're like, oh my gosh, wait, now we're going on this whole trip.
[8:40]So I'd love to even like the premise of that.
[8:42]And of course, like the whole twist at the end, which, you know, I, I did not see coming.
[8:47]And I guess that's the point of a choice.
[8:49]But anyway, but I just love all the adventures that they took together.
[8:52]And even the way you describe the mom and now that I'm hearing about your mom with the great
[8:56]dressing how, you know, they go to the airport and the mom is dressed up in her like Chanel
[9:00]suit or whatever it is that it's, you know, so, so ready to go.
[9:03]And the daughter's like, what, you know, what is going on here?
[9:06]But traveling for anyone, mothers and daughters in particular, but any sort of
[9:09]ill student travelers trying to like make it work is so rife with comedy and drama and
[9:16]all of that, particularly when you throw low love interest in the mix as well.
[9:20]Tell me about that decision.
[9:22]How did that come about?
[9:24]Well, you know, I don't know, you know, how many boyfriends did you have along the way that
[9:29]your mom didn't necessarily approve of it?
[9:33]And maybe it was just one little tiny comment, you know, it could have, and unless you
[9:39]really knew where that was coming from, you might not pick up on it.
[9:42]But, you know, I don't know.
[9:46]It just kind of happened.
[9:48]It just kind of happened.
[9:49]My mom definitely approved of gym, though.
[9:51]Oh, okay.
[9:52]It's so cute.
[9:53]No wonder, no wonder I liked her.
[9:54]She did, I mean, I have to say, and my mom had a terrific relationship.
[10:00]Yeah, I loved it. She's a great, great person. Yeah, how'd often said about mother-in-law
[10:09]Yes, how did the two of you collaborate and how did you work with Susan to write this together?
[10:16]I'm always so interested in
[10:18]divorce now because of the experience
[10:22]Actually, this is my favorite co-writer. I was involved on the French into this thing. So I'll let Sue tell the story
[10:29]I had a little involvement, but Susan and Susan the two Susan says we call yeah
[10:35]I've known Susan for a long time. I mean, I actually kind of knew her husband better
[10:39]But is she just I mean, we hadn't really spent that much time together and then we just thought there was just something about her that
[10:47]She's such a pleasure to be around she's
[10:51]laughs at every I mean, she's just super upbeat and sort of the comical way
[10:56]We had the situations even though they were different and well, they have the shared experience
[11:00]Yeah, you know, and talking about I'm so it's fun. I mean, you know, just kind of laughing and oh, can you believe you know
[11:06]I'm going back through our stories
[11:09]And then they went to Europe to get to research so they had to go to Paris
[11:15]Sorry, no, but we had the best time. We just did we you know, we just
[11:21]Really enjoyed looking for different places
[11:23]And we saw the northern lights and you know would go to these restaurants and really
[11:28]Examine them and you know, we'd sit it. Yeah, the research was great sit in the windows of in the hotel
[11:35]and having a you know a little afternoon snack or a drink or whatever and then
[11:40]really doing a lot of people watching and we just really tried to get involved in the local culture and
[11:47]She hadn't been in Norway before so she was pleasantly surprised and of course the two of us had been in the Paris many times
[11:54]And we had just such a good time. I mean, and they couldn't be more different. Yeah
[11:58]Tall standard a begin and it's just a little order
[12:04]And she'd be you know trying to get her suitcase in the overhead bin
[12:09]I'm like, okay, just give it to me. Okay, like get up
[12:11]But we we did we really hit it off well, and it was it was fun
[12:15]Then you know, we were all talking nonstop of course about
[12:19]Different ideas long the way outlining the book. I say research
[12:28]Lot of fun. I want to set a book someplace. I want to go just for the sake of research
[12:32]exactly
[12:34]I mean the idea started came to because of researching like I said the you know some of the history of you know the family history
[12:41]And I had a lot of research on different places where my family had come from and a lot of the names
[12:48]So we cherry picked a few names. We liked and kind of worked them in so that that Richard guy was actually a lot
[12:55]I think he was my
[12:56]That was not my mother's side. I think it
[13:00]I think it was my great grandfather's name or something like that
[13:03]So there's a lot of you know stuff in there that has
[13:07]Personal reference both the daughter and the mother have a love interest thing love interest story
[13:12]During the trip, which is kind of it and it forms and is my mother's maiden name. So we got that in there too
[13:19]Yeah, there's this whole notion of sort of lost loves or that the pads not taken and
[13:24]You know, what do you yeah? Yeah, we're right. Where does love go as you get older and you know
[13:31]So sweet
[13:34]Well, it's been a lot of fun too with Jim working on it. So that was great. I'm really appreciate all of us health of course
[13:42]Well my biggest contribution I would go for coffee and sandwiches
[13:47]I'm sure
[13:51]They were just we're good enough. I mean
[13:53]You like the idea that was huge when you sat down to write it with zoos and did you like did you each take it?
[14:01]Like how did you actually do it? How did you do we just you know we each we really just chatted a lot and
[14:07]I think a lot of it, you know, we had a notion for of the outline was Jim is I was famous for and it really helps
[14:15]You know and the idea of the travel and then we just sort of worked in all these stories one for example
[14:22]We took a train from
[14:24]Bergen arm sorry Oslo over to Bergen and at first it's not that interesting
[14:28]But then it gets really beautiful. You go over the glaciers and they were they were group of women of different ages
[14:34]Just sitting there giggling laughing and they were all knitting
[14:38]And so that is in the story and this sweater that I have on is actually from crystal ripple who's in the book
[14:46]She knitted me this sweater
[14:48]so it was like little stories like that that you just you know
[14:52]Compiled and put them in and it just sort of it seemed really easy. Um, I mean what yeah
[14:58]I may I probably exaggerate but it just seemed to flow
[15:02]Pretty nicely, you know a lot of just shared experiences
[15:07]A kind of thing
[15:09]Oh one thing each time the mom was in the hospital or went to the ER or whatever
[15:14]There was this sense from the daughter of seeing her mom in this whole new way right the mom is such a strong vibrant character in this
[15:21]big deal OBGYN and like just has so much respect and power and all this stuff
[15:26]And yet as soon as somebody is in a hospital bed
[15:29]Everything is stripped away. There's this sort of sadness just from seeing them
[15:35]Shrunken literally and figuratively in that moment
[15:38]And I feel like you capture that really well in the book and you know
[15:42]It's not an easy moment when you have to look at someone that you love in that different way
[15:46]Right, that's so true and and it's hard for also, you know, Dr. Liz, Dr.
[15:52]Oh that she could she knew really what you know was going on and then
[15:56]Probably like every other patient doesn't really believe it could happen to them or doesn't want it to so
[16:03]You know, I think it was close enough to that is to suit with bosses that had been through that
[16:09]So I think that helped to make the
[16:11]The writing particularly poignant and realistic
[16:14]Yeah, absolutely
[16:16]Were you sad to finish it and have to like put the the characters aside
[16:21]Yeah, I mean, we've sort of had it for a little while waiting for this opportunity
[16:26]Just for four mothers today
[16:28]To bring it out, but yeah, I really just enjoyed it so much because
[16:32]Jim and I had done the three children's books a few years ago the
[16:37]Big words for little geniuses and that was so great
[16:40]I just absolutely loved it. And then wow, this is you know another
[16:45]Great experience that it really was a joy to do
[16:49]Absolutely, and the response has been great. I you know, what was that one?
[16:53]It says we fit there was just a lot of reader reviews that writing, you know, like good reviews and stuff like that
[16:58]What was that I highly recommend this beautiful exquisite tear jerker for all readers
[17:04]It has something for everyone and no one will have a dry eye at the conclusion
[17:07]But your heart will be oh, so full and she says I'm giving it five stars only because I can't give it a million
[17:14]And
[17:15]Yeah, a lot of nice, which is a lot of nice ones like they were speech
[17:18]I'm going to jealous because I don't think these guys are
[17:21]You know, and
[17:24]I mean that the whole it was actually a pretty long review that particular one and when I read it to Jim
[17:29]He said did you write that
[17:32]But they were a lot of good ones
[17:34]I mean, it makes me feel so happy to read that that I mean, I just
[17:38]I mean, I feel like a lot of it was just a
[17:41]Out my really this is one thing. I wish I could tell my mom for sure
[17:44]I mean
[17:45]She would I mean even though she would be annoyed if she was
[17:49]portrayed as doctor Liz, but you know that would drive her a little nuts
[17:53]But I think she would totally just be she would be so happy and
[17:58]It would be such a joy for her to
[18:00]You know to realize the honor, right?
[18:03]Yeah, okay, you have to talk now because
[18:07]Well, that and that's the thing about the book. Yeah, it will eat there is a lot of fun in it
[18:11]And and it is very emotional to it's real and I think that's why breeders are responding and and even the
[18:17]Salon is big. I mean because you know, you know, it's look
[18:21]I mean, it's a first novel down in the nah
[18:23]But a lot of the I mean, you know, it's it's
[18:27]A little brown to like look wow
[18:29]This kind of cool
[18:31]That's really excited. That's really
[18:34]It's right even going to be in your book story. I hope it would be a ton of
[18:37]Yes, yes, of course you have to come in
[18:41]It's also for yeah, as you said before perfect for Mother's Day such a great gift and you know
[18:46]I think everybody needs to take those pauses and reflect whether you still have your mom or you recently lost her
[18:54]Right, right, but I know you just sort of never know, you know
[18:58]Yeah, and that's I think the cool thing about it with all of us just thinking that way
[19:04]Yeah, we you know, there's a quote
[19:06]I don't remember where this came from but I but I just love it
[19:09]And it relates to this book
[19:11]And I think it relates to 20 year old or people who are colder
[19:15]My time here is short
[19:18]What can I do the most beautifully?
[19:20]Oh, you know, I just I love that. It's just such a great
[19:25]Wake-up call, you know, and in a very eloquent way
[19:29]And this book to some extent same thing and say we should tell my mother. Well, yeah, okay
[19:35]Well, you mothers and daughters start sharing start talking to one another. Don't wait till the till you can't talk to each other anymore
[19:43]You know, I've also had several people say to me they're going to take their mother on a trip
[19:48]Oh
[19:49]That they had you know that this
[19:53]A thing we
[19:55]Just like you said earlier if once they say it then there's some
[20:00]But you know, I never think you do regret those things. Even you take all the emotions.
[20:08]And I just read it a couple of weeks ago again, because you know, you think you're going to remember every single thing.
[20:14]And I did. I still laughed and cried at the appropriate spot. So yeah, I feel like, okay, I could I like it.
[20:22]You know, sometimes you get too close to it. You can't see it.
[20:26]It's very moving and very real and the pros are so accessible and just you forget your reading. You just like fly through it, which is a thing.
[20:35]You know, I recently was pitched this travel idea. I think the company is I consider you after things called explore X, but they make, they do vacations based on your book.
[20:45]So they could do like, they could plan a mother daughter trip to Paris and Norway and go on to all these places and they like collaborate with you and make it really fun, because I feel like you should offer that.
[20:57]That is a great idea. Yeah.
[20:59]I'm sure lots of any any trip to start with Paris is there. That's a good start.
[21:05]That's true. That's very true.
[21:07]I can't go wrong there.
[21:09]Is it? What do you like to read when you're not writing and aside from all of your husband's books. I'm a student.
[21:15]Yeah, I know I'm, you know, that could keep me busy for 365 days a year. Right.
[21:21]And I'm not just saying this because she gave us a great quote, but I always say my second favorite author is Ellen, Ellen, held a brand. I do love her books and I, you know, they're just so easy and fun to read and just like she is.
[21:34]She's a lot of fun and that's incredible energy. But years ago, Jim brought me a manuscript of first and it was called the Blue Beast drone. He said, you know what, I think you're really going to just like, and I mean, I remember where it was, where I was when I read it.
[21:48]You know, so she's one of my favorite. Yeah, I think that was one of her first. She was so she came out of Iowa writers. Right.
[21:55]Which is interesting. Yeah. We both tomorrow and tomorrow is another one that we've been read, which is a terrific guy.
[22:04]You know, the one of us has a lot of interest in video games and stuff, but it's, but it's still terrific book.
[22:10]Yeah, even though it's about video games and players, which is kind of cool. You can get that interested in the characters and have no interest in and what their passion is.
[22:21]That's true. And how did it feel to you sort of taking a backseat in this project versus running the ship. Yeah.
[22:28]Now, you know what it's great. When Jack was our son, Jack was growing up.
[22:33]And as he now is out in the world.
[22:36]And we always made the distinction, we always say we're happy for him as opposed to we're proud of him.
[22:42]Sometimes when you're proud of somebody, because they're doing what you want them to do, you know, but happy for him.
[22:48]He chose schools that he thought would work for him and, and they did. I'm happy. I'm happy that you know, I'm happy that he's with somebody and that's working out nicely. I'm happy that that's working out nicely.
[23:02]Yeah.
[23:03]So that's what he does.
[23:05]Yeah. So I'm happy for Sue. She's having a lot. She had fun putting together a book and, and I think it turned out well.
[23:14]Yeah, probably proud too, but happy.
[23:17]So I've been going back through my dad did a lot of photography. So I'm going back through years of, you know, trying to find pictures of, you know, that my mom, you know, it's kind of fun to look back through all these photos.
[23:33]I see, I get sidetracked because I see so my cousins and my aunts and uncles and I think I got to get those because I am pretty close to them all.
[23:41]And I want to send those photos, but then you know, you got to scan them and, you know, there's some work involved, but I'm putting that shelving that for later, but it is really great.
[23:50]I mean, that's another one of my passions is photography. So I really love doing.
[23:56]a little book tour together with that. Oh, that's great. We're going to.
[24:01]Going to.
[24:02]No, not to Paris and Norway.
[24:05]Nebraska actually, where is it?
[24:08]Omaha and Madison, Wisconsin.
[24:11]Wisconsin says, you know, part of the book and Chicago.
[24:16]And then actually says going out to ally for the LA book festival and I think she's going to go to your store.
[24:23]Oh, good.
[24:24]Best of all, too.
[24:25]Yeah.
[24:26]I said the only other thing I want to do in LA besides kind of this festival is the co-seer book star.
[24:32]And I mean that I really want to see it. I think it's so cool that you, you know, are not too many people open book stores anymore.
[24:38]So it's really great.
[24:40]Thank you. Well, I'm good to have a good one. And I'm sure you did a beautiful job.
[24:44]I like it.
[24:45]I'm happy to do that.
[24:47]So are you going to write one called things I wish I told my father.
[24:50]We thought about it.
[24:52]I don't know.
[24:53]Maybe there's a good thought.
[24:54]Yeah. Okay.
[24:55]Okay. Thanks.
[24:56]I like that idea.
[24:57]Yeah.
[24:58]A companion piece.
[25:00]Yeah.
[25:01]We have, you know, there are a couple other little things that have bubbled up out of this.
[25:05]So there's certainly, there's a lot of truth to that book, though, too.
[25:09]A friend of ours literally like in the last day and a half went up.
[25:15]His father was 99 and dying.
[25:18]And he just went up and and said goodbye to his father.
[25:21]And he did pass away a day later.
[25:24]Yeah.
[25:25]So we got there just in time.
[25:27]Yeah.
[25:28]So there's, there's truth to that one too.
[25:30]And you know, with dad, it's a lot of times the things aren't said.
[25:34]You know, when I went with my father right at the end,
[25:37]that I was fortunate enough to see him before he died.
[25:40]And we said we loved each other, which I don't ever remember saying to him.
[25:47]And we hugged for the first time that I remember I'm sure he hugged me when I was a baby.
[25:52]But that was the first time, you know, so that there's a lot of truth in that other.
[25:57]But I don't know that so we'll do that book.
[25:59]But there's a, yeah, there's a book to be written there for sure.
[26:03]Yeah.
[26:05]Guys are, guys are better now.
[26:07]I find with some of my older friends, we can say, I love you.
[26:12]Male to male, which we're getting better.
[26:15]Yeah.
[26:16]You learn it.
[26:17]Catch it on.
[26:18]Yeah.
[26:19]Well, it is hard.
[26:20]It is hard sometimes to share emotions, even if you feel it.
[26:23]You know, sometimes it's just hard to kind of.
[26:26]And that's the thing about things that we should tell my mother.
[26:28]It is about a mother's and daughter sharing emotion.
[26:32]Yes.
[26:33]And saying all those things are not holding back.
[26:36]It's nothing else.
[26:37]And a chance for mothers and daughters to find out about even the loves in their past.
[26:42]You know, I feel like people are buttoned up about that.
[26:45]Like what happened?
[26:46]Right.
[26:47]You married my dad or whatever.
[26:48]People.
[26:49]Oh, no.
[26:50]Yeah.
[26:51]Or those are good conversations.
[26:52]Yeah.
[26:53]Or other things that they just did in their life that they may not have shared that, you know,
[26:56]you know, how you try and know be this one that perfect, but try and show something.
[27:02]that when you have a kid growing up and then you're, you don't want them to know that maybe you have done.
[27:09]I don't want to hear.
[27:10]Okay.
[27:11]Maybe we don't talk about that.
[27:13]No, no, no.
[27:14]But you know, even, you know, they put out a lot of reading copies.
[27:19]And already you're getting this thing with mothers and daughters sharing the book and
[27:23]or getting their own or kind of mother, daughter, book club popping up.
[27:28]And that's another thing because that when a book can stimulate you to talk about your own situation,
[27:35]your own lives, your own mother, your own daughter, that's, that's kind of fun too.
[27:38]Yeah.
[27:39]Maybe it's a little bit of a nice breaker.
[27:40]Could be a really fun mother, daughter, reading group or book club sort of thing.
[27:45]Yeah.
[27:46]But I mean, it is happening on it.
[27:47]I mean, obviously, you know, we'd love that that person would love that to happen.
[27:50]But, but it's happening without any stimulus other than the book.
[27:54]That's great.
[27:55]Well, I'm going to give it to my mom.
[27:57]That's for sure.
[27:58]Oh, great.
[27:59]I love it.
[28:00]Thank you.
[28:01]Thank you so much.
[28:02]I have to give her this really copy.
[28:03]But maybe I'll wait and give her a real one.
[28:05]Anyway.
[28:06]Oh, wow.
[28:07]We can get you up.
[28:08]You only have the advanced reader.
[28:09]Well, actually, this one's the fit.
[28:11]This looks like the finished one.
[28:12]Right.
[28:13]This is the catch.
[28:14]Yeah.
[28:15]Yeah, that is.
[28:16]But I have all my dog, dog-eared pages and all that.
[28:18]Oh, oh, gotcha.
[28:19]But I'm reading it.
[28:20]Get interested in things.
[28:21]I keep turning the pages down.
[28:22]Well, thank you both for coming on.
[28:24]Thanks for talking.
[28:25]Thank you so much.
[28:26]Thank you.
[28:27]Thank you.
[28:28]Come visit your book at my store and, you know, come sign up.
[28:30]I love it.
[28:31]All that.
[28:32]And thank you so much for the book.
[28:33]Thank you.
[28:34]Thank you.
[28:35]Thanks for sharing.
[28:36]Bye, Zippy.
[28:37]Bye, bye.
[28:38]Thank you.
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