Rachel Koller Croft, STONE COLD FOX
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[1:03]Rachel Colercroft is the author of Stone Cold Fox.
[1:07]She is an author and screenwriter in Los Angeles, where she has scripted projects for
[1:11]Blue Mouse, Sony Pictures Entertainment, and Comedy Central among others.
[1:15]She lives by the beach with her husband Charles and their rescue pit ball Juniper.
[1:19]Stone Cold Fox is her first novel and it was just announced that Universal Television is
[1:24]developing a TV adaptation of the novel.
[1:28]Rachel will also write the series.
[1:30]Really, Black and Emily Cummins will executive produce through Black's production banner
[1:34]my so-called company as part of her overall deal with Universal Television.
[1:39]I'm reading this from the deadline.com article.
[1:42]Welcome, Rachel.
[1:43]Thank you so much for coming on mom's no time to read books to discuss Stone Cold Fox.
[1:47]Thanks for having me.
[1:48]I'm so excited to meet you, Zippy.
[1:50]Oh, you too.
[1:51]Tell listeners about your book.
[1:52]Sure.
[1:53]Well, Stone Cold Fox is about an ambitious young woman, Bee, who has her sights set on
[2:00]marrying into the 1% one of New York's hottest young bachelor's, Colin Case, and she's
[2:06]a total bombshell.
[2:07]So she doesn't believe the challenge will be in getting the ring from him, but probably
[2:12]from his family and in her circle at large, including his childhood best friend, Gil Wallace
[2:18]Luster, who soon has basically, she will take me down at any cost, including looking
[2:24]into her dark past and Bee was raised by a con artist mother, so her past is indeed pretty
[2:30]dark.
[2:31]Oh, my gosh.
[2:32]And one of the scenes towards the beginning, so part of what makes Bee interesting is like
[2:38]this life that she's created for herself, which isn't real.
[2:40]And she says she's gone to Duke, which of course she hasn't.
[2:43]And like you're so funny too, and the way you write about it, you're like, this is from
[2:47]a group of people who like still like to talk about where they went to school, even though
[2:51]they're like in their 40s, which is so funny because I am one of those people who
[2:54]do that.
[2:55]And no, it's just that my husband came from outside Sarasota, Florida.
[2:59]And he like came into this whole community and he's like, what on earth, why is it
[3:03]to me?
[3:04]Where I went to school?
[3:05]Is it a random question?
[3:07]Like, I don't know.
[3:08]Like, Venice Hyde is a matter, you know, and I was like, it's just this shorthand.
[3:12]Anyway, it was just so funny the way you did it.
[3:14]And of course she's like, well, you know, someone said I didn't know you at Duke.
[3:17]And anyway, it's the frenemy vibes.
[3:19]It was just a show.
[3:20]Thank you.
[3:21]Oh my gosh.
[3:23]And also just how you poke fun at all the men and what they're looking for.
[3:27]And they're like, power, they're power hungry, sex hungry, like greedy, money, grabbing.
[3:34]I mean, it's like not the best light to put men in.
[3:37]I will say.
[3:38]I think that is not all men.
[3:40]Not all men.
[3:41]Right.
[3:42]And I will say, even though B says certain things about men, a lot of the men in the story
[3:47]are not actually as bad as she was perpetrating all men to be.
[3:51]She does have some really great stepfather figures in her life to calm himself is very
[3:56]well meaning.
[3:57]It's one of the things that she is actually attracted to him about is that he's actually
[4:01]nice to her.
[4:02]But on the flip side of that, she's also had many interactions with men being so beautiful
[4:07]and just the type of woman that she is that have been less than desirable situations.
[4:12]But I think what I love about B is she's always playing a game and collecting information
[4:18]and figuring out how she can use that moving forward.
[4:21]Even though she could be seen as a victim by some people, I don't think she self identifies
[4:24]as a victim at all and she thinks she's got it all figured out, which I think is really
[4:29]fun to watch, especially when she doesn't entirely.
[4:34]It was so appealing to see a woman so totally in charge and just like using every little
[4:41]thing that she could, every expression, like she was just so attuned to everybody, right?
[4:47]Like, oh, gals did this with her face.
[4:49]And so I knew.
[4:51]She's so, she's like a face reader, like I just feel like she's very emotionally intelligent
[4:56]and uses that thing.
[4:57]Yeah.
[4:58]Yeah.
[4:59]Observe it.
[5:00]That's probably a better word.
[5:01]Okay.
[5:02]Yeah.
[5:03]Which is fun.
[5:04]And I love how you put her in such a position of power, like running the board meeting, you
[5:06]know, like it's not just that she was a society lady at lunch who like picked up this very
[5:11]wealthy dude, right?
[5:12]Like she's a powerful woman and you know, she's got two likes to stand on to not that
[5:16]there's anything wrong with any of it.
[5:19]And that's like something that I purposely set out to do for my main character and just
[5:24]make sure.
[5:25]So in books and TV, I'm just always very attracted to whoever is seen as like the villain.
[5:31]And I don't think that's because I'm attracted to their nefarious ways.
[5:34]I just like characters that are very active and have their shit together and know they're
[5:41]going to make moves in one direction or the other and have this like singular goal about
[5:44]what they want.
[5:46]So when thinking about being in the type of woman that aspires to marry up, I try to
[5:51]think about how I could subvert that.
[5:53]So these reasons have very little to do with the finer things.
[5:59]Does she like them?
[6:00]Sure.
[6:01]We all do.
[6:02]But what she's looking for is safety and security.
[6:04]And that is what Colin and his whole family represent her because she didn't have that
[6:09]growing up.
[6:10]And she's funny and smart and not a bimbo.
[6:13]So I thought she would make for a super compelling main character and I liked writing
[6:18]in her head the entire time, even though I love so many of the other female characters.
[6:22]And I did toy with the idea of maybe doing multiple perspectives.
[6:26]But I think by staying with me the entire time, it made the narrative thread stronger totally.
[6:31]I feel like B is like Sharon Stone meets like a 1980s Glenn Close or something like that.
[6:38]Yeah.
[6:39]I would agree with those assessments for sure.
[6:41]I mean, Sharon Stone is someone I pictured a lot when writing the character of mother
[6:44]as an example, but just very much like she's a femme fatale.
[6:48]She comes from a femme fatale and I think people are intrigued by those type of women.
[6:53]I know I am.
[6:54]I mean, that would be a good, is this already a movie?
[6:57]Did I miss news or something?
[6:58]It's probably not.
[6:59]No, no.
[7:00]Yeah.
[7:01]It definitely would be a need adaptation because you could do a lot of stuff with the
[7:06]mother character too and having the two generations of schemers.
[7:09]Yes.
[7:10]I think I wrote about it.
[7:11]It's like, you know, dirty, rotten scandals, if the woman had a daughter or something.
[7:15]Right.
[7:16]Yes.
[7:17]I was trying to think like, who are these conniving women?
[7:19]I know people have been mentioning heart breakers a lot, which I love them.
[7:23]And then someone mentioned, which I didn't even think about this one writing, but I feel
[7:26]like it's accurate kind of a darker version of my best friend's wedding, which is all right.
[7:30]No.
[7:31]When you're visiting the movie, now you're like, wow, this is kind of crazy.
[7:35]Totally.
[7:36]Totally.
[7:37]Yeah.
[7:38]That's so funny.
[7:39]Like I need to keep comparing it to movies.
[7:40]It's a book on its own.
[7:41]And it stands out.
[7:42]But, you know, there is sort of at the core of it, a sad, like, the fundamental relationship
[7:49]is flawed and that's sad, right, between her and her mom, right.
[7:53]I mean, her mom does all she can for her, but is completely unpredictable and unpredictable
[7:58]moms have.
[7:59]Yeah.
[8:00]She's not great.
[8:01]And he's growing up keeps trying and I think that's why it's sort of hard to watch
[8:06]because I think you always want your mom's attention and love and care, no matter how old
[8:12]you are.
[8:13]And I think, you know, as big as older, she's, you know, reckoned with it and very much
[8:17]doesn't want to be like her mother.
[8:19]And that's also part of her North Star is like, okay, what would my mother do in the situation?
[8:24]What am I going to do in the situation?
[8:26]But yeah, her mother, I don't think is super redeemable, quite honestly.
[8:30]Yeah.
[8:31]Pretty much.
[8:32]It felt so bad.
[8:33]And she was like, wait.
[8:34]Whatever happened to grandma, Lois.
[8:35]Do you remember?
[8:36]I don't know.
[8:37]I felt so bad.
[8:38]Oh my God.
[8:39]When she finds an adult that she connects with, it's good, sad or in sad or when she ultimately
[8:45]doesn't have that person in her life anymore.
[8:48]Well, it was sort of a guilty pleasure, you know, just like spying on people in your
[8:53]book.
[8:54]I don't know.
[8:55]I felt like I was like, I don't know, devious or sensing the whole thing.
[8:58]It was great.
[8:59]I mean, in a very good way.
[9:00]No, I'm glad.
[9:01]I take that as a compliment.
[9:02]Not all the characters to feel like, even if they're making wild decisions, just feel like
[9:09]people, maybe you've met or heard about, I just wanted everyone to be really three
[9:13]dimensional, even the characters that I couldn't spend too much time with, even though
[9:17]I love them.
[9:18]Like, Ren Daley is one of my favorite characters and she has like a few moments where
[9:21]she shines.
[9:22]But it's like, I can't go that far down the path with her, but I still wanted her to feel
[9:26]like a person.
[9:27]So I just like made sure to hone in on those areas where I could give them a little sparkle
[9:32]so the reader can latch on in a bigger way.
[9:35]Amazing.
[9:36]Wait, so take me through your career up to here.
[9:39]Oh, wow.
[9:41]Okay.
[9:42]This is my first novel.
[9:44]This is turns out this is a job interview.
[9:46]No, I'm good.
[9:47]It is my first novel, but I've been a screenwriter since 2015.
[9:53]Currently after I graduated school, I moved out to Los Angeles for the first time and
[10:00]I got a job at a very popular celebrity blog,
[10:03]which turned out to not be my calling.
[10:06]I wasn't a box of queen.
[10:08]I've always felt really bad so much
[10:10]so that I actually moved back.
[10:12]I'm from Chicago.
[10:13]I moved back to Chicago for a couple of years.
[10:15]I've kind of defeated like,
[10:16]well, I guess I have to get a real job,
[10:19]which was actually very fortuitous deed for me.
[10:21]So I got into sales.
[10:22]And I worked mostly for travel and hospitality companies.
[10:26]And when I returned to LA later
[10:27]and learned that screenwriting is basically 80% sales,
[10:31]I felt super prepared for what was expected of me.
[10:34]And one of the companies I worked for in Chicago
[10:36]became the top sales person, the company,
[10:37]and they moved me to LA, and this was in 2013.
[10:41]And I've been here ever since.
[10:42]Wait, what were you selling?
[10:43]Actually, I sold luxury floral arrangements
[10:46]to hotels, residential buildings, places
[10:49]that spend hundreds of thousands of dollars
[10:50]on flowers every year.
[10:52]Be has some strong opinions about flowers in the book,
[10:54]which they are thinking of being my own.
[10:56]I'm feeling some flowers.
[10:58]It was actually a really fun job.
[11:00]Everyone wants to take their meeting
[11:01]because you're the flower girl.
[11:02]You go in there with pretty photos.
[11:04]And if you can beat their current vendors price,
[11:07]I mean, they pretty much sign with you.
[11:08]So it was a lot of fun.
[11:09]And it was a start-up.
[11:10]So it was a lot of like high highs, low lows.
[11:12]And it didn't work out long term
[11:14]for a host of reasons that are too boring to get into.
[11:17]But when I started attacking writing as a career,
[11:20]it was shortly after a very gnarly breakup
[11:23]that I had with someone who was also trying
[11:26]to be a screenwriter that I'm very motivated by.
[11:30]So I was like, well, that guy can do it.
[11:32]I certainly can.
[11:33]So I wrote a script and I sold it later that year.
[11:37]And I've been working pretty steadily ever since.
[11:39]My first movie that was produced came out last year
[11:42]called Torn Hearts.
[11:43]It's streaming right now on Amazon Prime, I believe.
[11:46]But that was a-
[11:46]Congratulations.
[11:47]I'm sure you thank you.
[11:48]It's a country horror, musical movie of my dreams.
[11:52]Katie Stagal is in it.
[11:53]I wrote all the lyrics to the original song.
[11:55]Oh, my gosh.
[11:57]A really, really exciting development.
[12:00]And then now the book is out.
[12:03]And everything, I feel like all my dreams are coming true.
[12:06]But like I planted these seeds over however many years.
[12:09]And it's a grind.
[12:10]I won't lie.
[12:11]But it's the only thing I wanna do when I love it so much.
[12:14]Oh, that's amazing.
[12:16]Okay, so you did the country horror musical.
[12:21]It's just a great nomination.
[12:22]Okay.
[12:23]What were the other scripts or shows or movies you worked at?
[12:26]Oh, sure.
[12:27]I mean, this is the thing about screenwriting.
[12:29]I've sold very a great number of things,
[12:31]but they don't always get made.
[12:33]But that's great.
[12:34]It's hard to sell it.
[12:35]But I've been making my living at it.
[12:36]So now I sold a couple of big comedy features.
[12:40]I sold a couple of pilots.
[12:42]I'm optimistic about what's gonna happen
[12:44]with Stone Cold Fox.
[12:45]One of the reasons I wanted to,
[12:46]I've always wanted to write a book
[12:48]since I was a little girl, I wanna try to book.
[12:49]But something as a screenwriter that can frustrate me
[12:52]as I feel like I'm always pitching on other people's ideas
[12:55]because IP is bang right now.
[12:58]So I was like, I'm gonna write my own IP.
[13:01]And so I kind of wanna become this one woman content house
[13:05]where I write my books, I adapt them.
[13:07]And then ultimately I want to direct them as well.
[13:10]Oh, look at you.
[13:12]What are you gonna call it?
[13:14]I don't know.
[13:14]I've got a few ideas,
[13:16]but my husband is in the entertainment as well.
[13:19]and he's a producer.
[13:20]And we hope to have our own company one day.
[13:22]We got a lot of big dreams happening in our house.
[13:25]My husband's a producer too.
[13:26]He started in Albany a couple years ago.
[13:28]So that's great.
[13:30]Yeah, that's really awesome.
[13:31]So I feel like you're one of these people
[13:34]who's just gonna like crank out content.
[13:36]Like if you do it quickly and what are some of the things
[13:38]you wanna write next or have you already written another book?
[13:41]I have written another book.
[13:42]I have a first draft in,
[13:44]I don't know how much I'm allowed to say about it yet,
[13:47]but what I can share is that it's music heavy.
[13:49]Kind of in the way that torn hearts
[13:51]is very inspired by country music
[13:52]and kind of going into a different genre with this.
[13:55]And it might even be a little bit spooky
[13:57]because I do like scary things.
[13:59]So that's what I'm working on now for my second book,
[14:03]but I also am dabbling in a musical for the West End.
[14:08]I might be writing the book for a project there.
[14:11]Always writing new feature specs, things like that.
[14:14]I mean, I'm very, I have this long Google doc of ideas
[14:18]and I kind of just look at it when I need to work
[14:20]on a new project and see what sparks.
[14:23]So yeah, I'm feeling,
[14:24]I'm in a really good inspired place at the top of 2023.
[14:27]It's very exciting.
[14:28]It's awesome.
[14:29]I have so many ideas too,
[14:30]but then I always forget to write them down.
[14:32]And I'm like, well, of course I won't forget
[14:33]it's such a good idea.
[14:34]And then of course I forget.
[14:35]I love this app.
[14:36]I feel like a lot of people know about it.
[14:39]It's called Google Keep.
[14:40]And it's just lists that you can check the box off
[14:44]when you're done with it.
[14:44]So I use it for all sorts of things,
[14:46]but I literally just have it on my phone
[14:48]and I can, if I think of something that's even half baked,
[14:50]I'll just like pop it in there
[14:52]and it just lives in the thing that I get.
[14:54]So it's not, I'm not a super,
[14:57]some people are very organized.
[14:58]They color coordinate and do it.
[15:00]I just like to have a long list
[15:02]that I can reference at my leisure.
[15:03]So if you're that type of person,
[15:05]I highly recommend Google Keep
[15:06]because it's like a method that has been working for me
[15:09]and doesn't require too much perfectionism in that regard.
[15:12]Mine is like scribbled on a notepad
[15:14]and then I stick it on my blush before.
[15:17]It sounds like, if I'm here,
[15:18]if I'm like sitting in my desk
[15:19]and I think it was like, but what I'm out and about for you,
[15:21]I just kind of Google Keep.
[15:23]Okay, I will think about that.
[15:25]So the question is,
[15:27]you seem like such a nice person
[15:29]and yet you write about all these devious women
[15:32]and a horror.
[15:33]So what am I to make of that?
[15:35]Where is all this coming from?
[15:37]I don't know, it's so funny.
[15:39]My birthday is around Halloween.
[15:40]I've always liked spooky things.
[15:42]I like since I was a little girl,
[15:44]I just gravitate to scary stories
[15:47]and the villains and movies.
[15:49]I don't know why exactly.
[15:52]I think to me,
[15:53]it's just the most entertaining way into a story.
[15:57]And I still like lighthearted things.
[15:59]I just as a writer,
[16:00]I really like exploring kind of the good
[16:03]and the bad of a person
[16:04]because I don't find that most villains are so cut and dry.
[16:09]Like, I think you can really dig in
[16:11]and see what's going on behind the, you know,
[16:14]the evil eye as it were.
[16:15]It's so funny,
[16:16]because even my husband is like,
[16:18]he'll read something I write.
[16:19]He's like,
[16:20]next to you,
[16:21]like what's going on in there?
[16:22]And then I'm always like,
[16:23]do you have a Scorpio?
[16:24]We're kind of sick.
[16:25]I don't know.
[16:26]Let me just talk what we like.
[16:28]Oh my gosh, that's so funny.
[16:30]Well, maybe somewhere in your past,
[16:32]you had a villain that got the short,
[16:35]you know, that misunderstood villain in your past
[16:38]that like your true house perhaps.
[16:40]I just, I find them entertaining and decisive
[16:43]and I feel like a decisive person as well.
[16:46]And I think that is why I'm attracted.
[16:48]Not that you can't have a good hearted protagonist
[16:51]make executive decisions either.
[16:53]I just find villains tend to take bigger swings
[16:57]and I'm attracted to that as someone
[16:59]who takes big swings myself,
[17:01]but not in the various way, typically, maybe.
[17:05]I don't know.
[17:06]I don't know much interesting.
[17:08]I have a pretty strong moral compass
[17:10]because I've been asked a lot about like,
[17:11]what I think about con artists and things like that.
[17:14]And I honestly, I just think most of us have a good heart
[17:18]and we're not gonna, even if we wanna go after something,
[17:21]we're not gonna do a bad thing to get it.
[17:23]It's just like not how we're, we're routed as it were,
[17:27]but there are some people that just don't have that.
[17:29]So they say whatever they want with conviction
[17:32]and people tend to believe it.
[17:34]And I think that's really how it all happens.
[17:36]I don't even think con artists are necessarily genius people.
[17:39]I just think they don't have that thing,
[17:42]the rest of us have which allows them
[17:44]to kind of do whatever they want.
[17:46]I think there's just like a weird wish fulfillment
[17:49]about that.
[17:50]And so I do like to explore that in my characters.
[17:52]They're doing things I would never do
[17:53]and that's fun to write.
[17:55]I feel like it's all on a spectrum.
[17:57]Well, I mean, you can go from like exaggerating a story
[18:01]to make it funnier.
[18:02]I mean, like just these tiny little things.
[18:05]They're like, oh, it's a white liar.
[18:07]I don't know.
[18:08]Like don't worry about it.
[18:09]And then that seems harmless.
[18:11]Not the story, but I kind of get annoyed
[18:13]when people do that, but it's fine.
[18:14]But you know, all the way to manufacturing a new identity.
[18:19]But yeah, I think maybe it comes from the place of wish,
[18:23]I don't know who knows, but it is fascinating.
[18:25]It's fascinating.
[18:26]I think it's more just interesting.
[18:28]Like how did that person do that and why?
[18:31]Yeah.
[18:31]And like in these case,
[18:33]I mean, she definitely does bad things.
[18:35]But what she's trying to do actually,
[18:39]I don't think is that bad.
[18:40]I mean, she just wants to finally be able to feel at peace
[18:44]and relax.
[18:45]And that's just the product of how she was raised.
[18:47]And that's what her goal is.
[18:49]But I don't think she self-identifies as a con artist anymore
[18:54]because she's just trying to like become the forever.
[18:57]And that's like her final identity.
[18:59]That's what she wants to be.
[19:00]And where like her mother just was for the thrill of it
[19:04]and constantly switching it up.
[19:05]And that's really not her MO at all.
[19:07]So I just think the more complex your characters
[19:10]are, the more fun it is to write them.
[19:13]And ultimately, people have a good time reading them.
[19:16]What do you like to read?
[19:18]Oh my god, I read all sorts of stuff.
[19:19]I just finished the shards, which I love
[19:21]the new Breddy Stenalis, thought it was great.
[19:23]That's so funny because I was going to read that.
[19:25]I was like, oh, no, I'm going to be too scared.
[19:27]So of course you're reading that.
[19:30]I know.
[19:31]You know what I'll say?
[19:32]Because I've read most of not all of his books.
[19:35]And I found this one, even though there's
[19:38]some dark stuff in it, to have a much gentler tone and pace,
[19:42]I went to see him speak to Rachel Kushner
[19:45]when they were both in LA.
[19:46]And he referred to it as a hangout novel.
[19:49]And I thought that was so cool because it is quite long.
[19:51]I think it's almost 600 pages.
[19:52]And it's a lot of description about being a teenager in 1981
[19:56]in West LA.
[19:57]And it's very atmospheric and vivies.
[20:00]I think you could probably handle it. I guess is what I'm trying to say. I don't know.
[20:03]Because it's not as brutal as like, even I had a hard time reading American Psycho,
[20:07]even though I objectively thought it was good. It was, it's a brutal book and I didn't think
[20:12]this one was. I've been on a celebrity memoir kick for sure. I did spare. I picked up love
[20:20]Pamela because I loved her Netflix documentary. I find her fascinating. I also read
[20:26]is memoir recently. Me, Ma, I got that, but I never met anything. No, no, no, it was really good.
[20:32]I did, The Age of Vice, which I liked a lot.
[20:34]Yeah. I mean, I read a lot of contemporary fiction. I'll read memoir. I read horror. I really like
[20:40]westerns in dad books. I'm actually reading book, but charm school right now, which I think
[20:45]is from, like the 70s or 80s. Julie Clark recommended it. We were talking about how much we loved the
[20:49]Americans. She's like, You lucky have to read this Russian spy novel called The Transmos.
[20:53]also reading that and she's like, it's kind of a dad book
[20:56]but whatever.
[20:57]So it's pretty eclectic.
[20:59]I like to read most things and see how I respond.
[21:02]Like if someone says, oh, I think you're like this book,
[21:04]I'm happy to read it even if it's not in my usual genre.
[21:07]Like I just wrote my first Emily Henry
[21:09]and I'm not a big romance reader
[21:10]and I thought me treat was fantastic.
[21:12]So I'm always open to trying something new.
[21:16]That's awesome.
[21:17]You should just take my job on the side.
[21:18]Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[21:20]You know, these bits.
[21:21]And I'm excited to see you in LA at the store
[21:24]I can't wait.
[21:25]I can't wait.
[21:27]Oh, it's such a great neighborhood.
[21:28]When I saw this where you were opening,
[21:30]I like literally screeched because I just like,
[21:33]there needed to be one over there.
[21:34]It's the perfect lane for it.
[21:36]So I think you guys are going to do amazing.
[21:38]I feel like the whole West side is a buzz because a lot of
[21:42]no noise.
[21:43]Yeah, it's the best I love living on the side of town.
[21:46]So you live on the West side too.
[21:47]Oh, that's great.
[21:48]Yeah, I'm in Marina del Rey.
[21:50]Awesome, amazing.
[21:51]Okay, well, I'm excited to see you in person very, very soon.
[21:55]And congratulations on Stone Cold Fox.
[21:58]I can't wait.
[21:59]I bet by the time I see you, you'll have fabulous news
[22:01]about it because it's going to be great.
[22:03]And I will just work on the casting on the side.
[22:06]Yeah, you know, my brain is like,
[22:08]oh, Margot Robbie, maybe I don't know.
[22:09]I know.
[22:10]I thought of Margot Robbie a lot while writing B.
[22:13]Just because Margot Robbie is so outrageously hot,
[22:15]like just objectively like one of the most beautiful
[22:18]women on the planet.
[22:19]And that's how I pictured B.
[22:21]Just like someone that when she walks by,
[22:23]like everybody's head turns like, who is that?
[22:26]So I thought of Margot a lot.
[22:28]She's bad.
[22:29]Oh, my gosh.
[22:33]All right, well, this is fun.
[22:34]I can't believe this is my job.
[22:35]This is like so much fun.
[22:36]Just sitting in chat.
[22:37]I know, I'm going to have an amazing job, many jobs.
[22:42]You're doing so much.
[22:43]Every time you go, everybody is.
[22:45]I'm just like, no, I know.
[22:46]I'm just, you're just someone I'm very impressed with.
[22:48]And I like following all of your career exploits.
[22:50]And it's just really cool to see.
[22:53]Thank you very much.
[22:54]OK.
[22:55]Well, this has been great.
[22:56]And I will see you very soon.
[22:57]Sounds good, Debbie.
[22:58]Thanks, all.
[22:59]All right, great job.
[23:00]Bye.
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