Kirthana Ramisetti, DAVA SHASTRI'S LAST DAY
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[1:13]Kratana Ramasetti is the author of Dava Shastri's Last Day
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[1:20]This one by Alicia Fernanda's Miranda who is the author of our first zibi book coming out next year
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[1:28]Kratana is a former entertainment reporter for news day and the New York Daily News
[1:32]Kratana has written her fair share of stories about the lives and deaths of the rich and famous
[1:36]She has a master's degree creative writing from Emerson College
[1:39]And her work has been published in the New York Times
[1:41]The Wall Street Journal Entertainment Weekly the Atlantic and elsewhere
[1:44]Dava Shastri's Last Day, a good morning america book club pick is her first novel and she lives in New York City
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[1:57]I'm Alicia Miranda and I am here today with Kratana Ramasetti the author of Dava Shastri's Last Day
[2:03]Which has already made huge waves in hardcover and is gonna be out in paperback on September 27th
[2:10]So Kratana welcome to the podcast
[2:13]Thanks so much for having me
[2:15]I have to tell you that I read this book in less than 48 hours
[2:19]I wept through at least half of it. I think I like cried a lot
[2:23]I loved the family dynamics element
[2:26]My professional background before I got into writing has always been in philanthropy
[2:30]So I found your take on the philanthropic field fascinating
[2:34]And weirdly there were a lot of things that Dava thought
[2:38]That I had also thought about my own life
[2:40]And I'm trying to decide if that's a good thing or bad thing for my eventual future or not
[2:44]So maybe you can let me know but I absolutely loved your book. Thank you for bringing it into the world
[2:50]And I would love if you could just start by telling everybody here a little bit about what the book is about
[2:57]So my novel is about an Indian American female philanthropist
[3:01]Embillionaire and so when she learns she has a thermal illness
[3:05]She decides to announce her death early so she can read her a bit she wears
[3:09]And she does this because she's always been preoccupied with her legacy
[3:12]And how the world will perceive her
[3:14]And so she's just very curious to know what the coverage will be after she passes
[3:18]But this plan backfires on her when her two biggest secrets are revealed to the world
[3:23]And so with the limited time she has left she must make a mess with her four adult children
[3:28]While also coming to terms with the choices she has made throughout her life
[3:33]It was amazing how much happened over such a brief period and you know in which the book was
[3:39]Taking place, you know this short time in which they're together. How did you come up with the idea for it?
[3:45]There so I used to work as an entertainment journalist
[3:48]And in that role one of the major stories that we cover is celebrity jacks
[3:53]So anytime a celebrity passed away
[3:55]I'm on the first thing that I would do in terms of whether you're a victory or any
[3:58]Lady coverage is good at social media and see the real-time reaction to this person's passing
[4:04]And I was greatly moved by like the outpouring of
[4:08]Affection and sadness over this news of a person's passing
[4:13]But then also like made me have this weird thought which is to others who ever see
[4:18]What I said about this person and wonder what we said about them when their time comes
[4:23]And so that thought just kind of stayed with me for years until one day
[4:26]I was like well, what if somebody was so obsessed with how would they be perceived after they die
[4:31]They actually would announce a death early just so they can read the coverage and so that's how the novel was born
[4:38]Do you think you would want to know what people were saying about you after you died?
[4:43]Absolutely not
[4:46]No good would come from that but I just one of the interesting things coming up with that premise is like
[4:52]Okay, who is this person that would want to do that and why would it be so important to them?
[4:56]Because I think most of us would have the reaction that we had is like no
[4:59]There's no there's no point in knowing that but that was one of the fun things and the challenging things about
[5:05]Once I had this premise is figuring out who novel was?
[5:08]Why would this be so important to her?
[5:10]Why would she want to be this and risk everything just to know what was being said about her?
[5:15]And I that was what the first building block that had to come up with in order to write this novel
[5:21]I've read some pieces when that you kind of were interviewed in and things when the hardcover came out
[5:25]And I know there's lots of comparisons to things like succession and was there anybody that you
[5:31]Really had in mind or people that you looked at either fictional characters or real-life inspiration for
[5:36]The story when you were kind of putting together who Dava was?
[5:40]I didn't actually so much of who Dava was is worn out of this premise when I had to figure out
[5:46]Okay, I have a person who's gonna
[5:48]And that was her death early so she can read her a bit to her reason why would she do that
[5:52]And it had been very easy to go down the room of okay, she's an actual
[5:56]So she's a famous person in some way a celebrity
[5:59]But I thought it'd be much more interesting if part of her rationale for doing this is because she built a foundation
[6:04]For a business from the ground up so the fact that she did this by herself
[6:08]She didn't marry into wealth. She wasn't too wealthy family
[6:11]That is so much a part of her identity and how she sees herself
[6:14]And she just wants to make sure that the rest of the world views her accomplishments the same way she does
[6:19]So really Dava's character is just going out of fact of like why did she did this really strange and audacious then?
[6:26]Let's talk a little bit about your own journey
[6:28]So what was the jump from report entertainment reporter to writing a novel?
[6:33]And now I know there's a second novel coming to
[6:35]That's right. So I actually see my Emma fan creator writing about 20 years ago
[6:41]And so it's always been a dream of minds who write a novel
[6:45]But I've also very much always been into entertainment pop culture
[6:48]So for the past several years I've been working in media and
[6:52]On my journalism mostly with the focus on entertainment
[6:56]But I was always had this like, you know, love the occupation that what I do want to write this novel
[7:02]And so eventually I got burned out
[7:04]In terms of journalism and media and I was like, okay, let me figure out what I'm gonna do next
[7:09]And so as I was trying to figure that out
[7:11]I thought well, let me try to see if I could finally write, you know, my novel that I wanted to do for so long
[7:17]Actually wrote two books before Dava that will never see the light and say
[7:21]And so when I tried side to write Dava, I'm like, okay, if I'm going to do this and really go for it
[7:27]Let me make sure it's filled with all the things that I am personally preoccupied by and obsessed by
[7:33]So that's family and legacy pop culture music so much music
[7:39]So much music so I kind of took all these things
[7:41]I'm very interested in me and they're very meaningful to me and kind of found a way to
[7:47]Take that premise and all these elements that are interested in being kind of built a novel out of it
[7:51]And so what was important to me in writing this novel is because I read the two books previous to this one
[7:57]And I didn't see them through it. I decided not to pursue them
[8:00]I thought well, if I'm very spend more time running a novel
[8:03]Let me make sure it's personally meaningful to me
[8:06]So even if it doesn't see the light of day at least I got so excited writing it
[8:09]Yeah, and ended up being one of the great creative joys of my life
[8:12]So I'm so happy that I worked out. It's like, I show you on top
[8:16]They actually that published but I remember at the time while writing it and like
[8:19]This is so fulfilling in a way that mechanal films I'm doing for has so I just feel very lucky
[8:25]I had so much fun reading it which makes me feel like you must have had so much fun writing it
[8:29]So I totally feel that and what was your kind of journey to publication like
[8:33]Sure, so I had a very unusual
[8:36]I showed you the publication. I worked on this but for about two years
[8:39]I had several people read it which we saw helpful during the revision process especially
[8:45]And so I started querying in February of 2020
[8:50]Yes exactly
[8:51]And I ended up receiving short offers a representation which was incredible
[8:55]And then I decided to sign with my current agent
[8:58]Andrea Sandberg at Harvard Queen your literary agency in March
[9:03]And it has happened to be the day before the world changed
[9:06]It was right before the day before
[9:09]Tom Hanks and that's he was positive for Covid as it didn't do for
[9:13]The NBA shut down for the season and we just realized okay nothing will ever be the same
[9:17]And so it's a great I finally have an agent after this long journey
[9:21]And now the world is just no
[9:23]We don't know what's gonna happen but to my agent's credit
[9:27]She was amazing. She said let's just wait a week before we go out with it
[9:30]Which is what we did and then by April 1st we haven't offered a preempt offer
[9:36]That's so interesting
[9:38]Yeah, and I did see a post on your Instagram sharing that you got an email rejection
[9:44]Sometime this year for a look query that you had submitted in 2020 is that right
[9:49]I was so shocked I was like why is an agent meowing me about this knob because I had different title at the time
[9:55]Right, I said queer the matriarch which is a time at the time and was so confusing
[10:00]And then there was a rejection.
[10:02]And I was like, ah, that's interesting.
[10:05]Because that's to show you, even if you get published,
[10:08]you can still be rejected.
[10:09]And that's the lesson I tried to show on Instagram.
[10:11]Like, you just have to kind of work with it.
[10:13]Because all you really do is we run yes,
[10:15]which is what I learned throughout that whole query
[10:17]and process.
[10:18]It's so nice because I feel like you do hear a lot
[10:21]about people's successes on social media.
[10:23]So it's really nice.
[10:24]I always love to share that I cleared 41 agents,
[10:27]the queried 41 agents before I cut the agent.
[10:30]And I'm like, listen, it could happen.
[10:31]It could happen.
[10:32]You just have to kind of persevere
[10:34]and sometimes you just have to find the right person.
[10:35]But it's very easy to just brush all those things
[10:38]to the side, I think, when you have a success.
[10:40]Because you may not want to think about them,
[10:42]but it's so helpful for others who are in different stages
[10:45]of their process.
[10:46]Completely.
[10:48]So how has your life changed since the book came out?
[10:50]Like I have to know, because you've had the hard coverage
[10:52]been out for a while.
[10:53]I know there's an HBO Max series that's coming, I think,
[10:55]about the book, you're working on a second book.
[10:57]Like how are things different from that kind of February 2020?
[11:01]You're querying, hoping somebody's going to pick it up
[11:03]till now?
[11:04]That's such a good question.
[11:05]I've never really thought of it that way.
[11:07]But I think the biggest thing that's changed for me
[11:11]is if you're a reader or a writer and have a lifelong dream
[11:14]to publish a novel, it's kind of incredible
[11:17]when you actually realize that dream.
[11:19]Because I didn't expect to realize it.
[11:20]I'm over 40.
[11:21]I got this book published when I was 41.
[11:24]And so to actually fulfill the thing you've
[11:26]been dreaming about since you were a little kid
[11:28]is kind of surreal and amazing.
[11:30]And so everything that's happened after that has just
[11:33]been kind of a pinch me moment, because nothing will ever
[11:36]top the moment when I realize, OK, I do have a book
[11:39]to y'all.
[11:39]This is going to happen.
[11:40]And then it's taking the book on shows.
[11:42]So my life has changed in the fact that I can actually say,
[11:45]I'm not ever no longer in the act like this thing,
[11:47]where I'm like, I just have to do this one
[11:48]and I feel on thin of always dreaming that I did that.
[11:51]So I can let that dream be.
[11:53]And I don't have that anxiety and pressure on that anymore.
[11:56]And that's, I think, the biggest thing, I mean,
[11:58]I can just kind of move forward and be happy
[12:00]that what else happens, because publishing has a lot
[12:03]of ups and downs and shifts and changes.
[12:05]But I did this one thing.
[12:06]I always dreamed of.
[12:07]And that means the world to me.
[12:09]That's so awesome.
[12:09]I imagine when you first saw the book in shelves
[12:12]and it got picked up by book clubs and there was so much.
[12:14]It must have just felt like pinch me, pinch me, pinch me
[12:16]all the time.
[12:18]Completely.
[12:19]I mean, the thing about living with the book
[12:20]and working on the book for years,
[12:21]those characters just living your head
[12:23]and nobody else knows about them.
[12:25]We personally, I didn't share that book with anybody
[12:27]for the last time because it was too personal to me.
[12:30]This is like my give it all kind of project
[12:32]that I can go bigger, go home.
[12:34]This was it.
[12:34]So it was too much to share with anyone else.
[12:37]So I just kind of kept those characters with me
[12:39]and then we talked about the book or the novel at all.
[12:42]So it's so wonderful when those characters
[12:44]and now in the morning just look inside my head
[12:46]but other people relate to them and discuss them
[12:48]and talk about how a particular character
[12:51]is turning me so much to them.
[12:52]That's one of the most amazing things about this too.
[12:56]I know it's a novel, but are there any characters
[12:58]that you really put yourself into in the book?
[13:01]So in terms of one of the funniest things
[13:04]about doing interviews for those in the book
[13:06]when people ask that, who do you relate to your character?
[13:09]How you like your main character?
[13:10]I'm like, well, we're both billionaires obviously.
[13:13]Obviously.
[13:13]It's not true.
[13:16]But the one thing that's often I share, of course,
[13:18]is our love of music.
[13:19]Music was really important to me.
[13:21]When I was a teenager, I always select to say
[13:23]that reading and writing were just like oxygen to me
[13:26]but just like breathing.
[13:27]The music came later when I was younger
[13:29]and probably for most of us, like when we were in high school.
[13:33]And so I remember really for the first time
[13:35]was with reading and writing
[13:38]or especially reading, I should say.
[13:40]It helped me look out into the world
[13:41]to experience different things I would ever
[13:43]otherwise experience the lives and the characters
[13:45]in these books, but with music
[13:47]for the first time, I was going inward
[13:50]and I was kind of reflecting, okay,
[13:51]what's on where are my dreams?
[13:53]What is my goals?
[13:55]What do I think about anything?
[13:56]And music awakened that inner self for me
[13:58]and so I really wanted to give that to Daba
[14:01]and show how music shaped the course for life
[14:03]and helps for dream of her life.
[14:05]She grew herself into the life she always wanted.
[14:07]And so it was incredibly cool and meaningful
[14:09]to give that asset to myself and give it to Daba
[14:12]and to show the role music played from like the early,
[14:15]the early part of her life all the way to the very end.
[14:18]One thing, what I thought was so awesome
[14:20]is that I have my music to use Q like very basic.
[14:23]It's a lot of Broadway, a lot of pop, a lot of Latin.
[14:25]So not tons of overlap in genre with what Daba liked,
[14:29]but it didn't matter if I didn't know the artists
[14:32]that she was talking about or the albums that she was talking about.
[14:35]It just, it didn't matter at all.
[14:37]And I know they weren't all,
[14:38]I guess they were not all real.
[14:39]Of course, Tom Buck is not gonna be real, right?
[14:42]So it just, and then I saw, you know,
[14:43]you had a playlist in some of your content after,
[14:45]but it didn't matter that I didn't know that music
[14:47]because I could relate it to music
[14:50]that would have that kind of impact on me.
[14:51]And it just, it really transports you somewhere
[14:54]in this way that I think, you know,
[14:56]your other senses can also transport you places,
[14:59]but there's just something about music
[15:01]and how it can bring you back to a specific moment
[15:04]in your life, almost like a time machine, right?
[15:06]Oh, 100%.
[15:08]That was one of the coolest things about writing this book
[15:10]is I had used to have it in a giant CD collection
[15:13]and I kind of got rid of it one day.
[15:15]It's not moved on to like, you know, iPods
[15:18]and then our iPhones.
[15:19]And I would need like this physical collection of music
[15:21]and then I regretted it ever since.
[15:23]But when I decided to write JavaScript journey with music,
[15:26]I had to go back and revisit the music that I used to listen to.
[15:30]It's actually have it running lists,
[15:31]but every album I used to own,
[15:33]just so I could be like, we might have that memory
[15:35]and I would listen to all this music.
[15:37]And then also I don't want JavaScript to be me.
[15:38]I want JavaScript to be your own person.
[15:40]And in the novel, she's actually a few years older than me.
[15:43]So it was a great way to be introduced to other music
[15:45]as well that I think Java would connect with,
[15:47]like PJ Harvey, for example.
[15:49]And all this music, but I didn't listen to at the time
[15:51]when I was growing up,
[15:52]but I had a chance to listen to the new Java's ear.
[15:54]So it was a really fun time just to kind of listen to it.
[15:58]I wrote, listen to music throughout the writing of this novel.
[16:01]Some music I had listened to on my life,
[16:03]some music I had discovered for the first time.
[16:06]And then the weird and interesting part
[16:09]about this whole process is that this novel also
[16:12]is turning me into a songwriter in a way.
[16:14]No way!
[16:15]I'm not sure if you know this,
[16:17]but in the book, there's a song written in that Java
[16:20]by the character term book.
[16:21]Correct, I remember it.
[16:22]Thanks.
[16:23]Yes, exactly.
[16:24]Did you write that song?
[16:25]I assume.
[16:26]I wrote the lyrics.
[16:26]I'm not a poet, I'm not a songwriter,
[16:28]but I had to write lyrics.
[16:29]So those are the lyrics I wrote.
[16:30]And at the time I was drafting this novel,
[16:33]I was teaching myself that you could lately.
[16:35]So I started getting this melody
[16:36]in stuck in my head for the chorus of the song.
[16:39]So I took my iPhone
[16:41]and recorded myself playing a ukulele
[16:43]singing along to the song,
[16:45]Dava.
[16:46]Cut to two years later,
[16:48]when the audiobook team at Public Publishing Company says,
[16:51]we want to produce that as original song.
[16:53]Do you have any ideas?
[16:54]What?
[16:56]And I said I do,
[16:57]because I actually have a melody
[16:59]and recorded myself two years ago.
[17:00]I sent them the video of myself
[17:02]and I turned it into the most beautiful gorgeous song
[17:05]that I can't believe I had a hand in writing.
[17:08]And so it's on my website.
[17:09]It's on the audiobook if anyone wants to.
[17:11]Oh my God, that is a hot tip.
[17:13]I'm gonna do that as soon as we hang up this call.
[17:16]But that's the amazing thing about this novel.
[17:18]It's given us to me so many gifts.
[17:20]And one of them is turning me,
[17:22]like I always wanted me a published writer,
[17:24]published author,
[17:24]but I never thought that have a hand in writing music as well.
[17:28]And it would mean so much more appreciation
[17:30]of artists and songwriters about they do
[17:31]because I don't know how well I pulled it off,
[17:35]but the fact that I even had a hands
[17:37]in an original song is just amazing to me.
[17:39]That's so cool.
[17:40]Maybe Davashastri, the musical,
[17:42]like coming to a Broadway teaser near you,
[17:45]you could write this score for it.
[17:46]Why not?
[17:47]I know you like Hamilton.
[17:48]Hamilton got some shout outs in your book.
[17:50]So.
[17:51]Yes, it is.
[17:52]No, no, you're right, you're right.
[17:54]You never know.
[17:55]I would sign up and see that musical.
[17:57]Actually, I think this is what the world is missing,
[17:59]maybe like this kind of great American legacy musical.
[18:03]That's so awesome.
[18:04]Well, I mean, tell us a little bit.
[18:05]There's so much on the horizon for you.
[18:07]So give us a little plug for all the things coming up next.
[18:11]Sure, so I actually had a second level coming out
[18:14]in April of 2023.
[18:15]It's called Avavika.
[18:17]I'm a Hollywood blinds.
[18:19]And I have to admit that I was inspired
[18:21]by a binge watch of real housewives
[18:23]in a barrel of gold.
[18:24]Yes.
[18:25]No, I watched a lot of problems with the pandemic.
[18:28]And I think you see through my brain,
[18:30]so the novel is about a young Indian-American screenwriter
[18:33]who was born in the death of a twin sister.
[18:36]And to pay the bills, because she's an aspiring screenwriter,
[18:39]she's working on a law of A-list after parties.
[18:41]So we're all working at the Governor's Ball,
[18:43]which is the after party for the Oscars.
[18:45]She meets a very successful Oscar-winning film producer.
[18:49]And so they have a role in courtship
[18:50]in an update married after a few months.
[18:53]And a month after their marriage,
[18:55]her husband's first wife passes away
[18:57]and in her will, she says, to Avika, to force him
[19:02]and I'll give you a $1 million and a really love film.
[19:05]And so she is shaken out of her luck flag, her love flag.
[19:09]She's like, who did I marry?
[19:11]And so she decided to investigate her new husband
[19:13]through the eyes and experiences of his exes
[19:16]and put you in an actress, a pop star, and a reality star.
[19:20]Oh my God.
[19:21]I'm so into it already.
[19:24]Is it to eyes if it's done?
[19:26]April, pub date, April.
[19:27]So you must be done now.
[19:28]Yeah.
[19:29]So if you want, I can't show it on a podcast
[19:31]that I wanted to show it to you.
[19:32]So yes, it'll be out April 2020 soon.
[19:35]How's the experience writing your second book?
[19:37]Or you're not your second book,
[19:38]but your second to be published book, I should say.
[19:41]I thought we all as published debut novelists
[19:44]think, oh, the second one will be easier.
[19:47]It's not something other fun.
[19:50]You have to climb that mountain all over again.
[19:52]You're starting at like base camp
[19:54]and you're looking up and all that peak is so far away.
[19:57]So it was a challenge, especially because now you kind of
[20:00]finding that people have a certain expectation of what you write about. So all of that was
[20:08]kind of on my shoulders as I was writing this, but it was also a lot of fun. I think what I've
[20:12]learned to write in Java and now writing this new novel is I just need to ingest something that's
[20:18]a real interest in passion to me and also finding ways to make it find an interest in
[20:22]you're right. Yeah. It was very challenging. It was awesome. It's funny. I'm working on a
[20:27]novel now and it's like I'm kind of doing the editing and the drafting phase and I had an idea for
[20:32]like another novel the other day. And then I was like I could not pause like how can I possibly do
[20:37]this over again? It's like this constant repeat. It's kind of like childbirth where you forget
[20:42]and then you go through it again because you forgot what happened the first time and I feel like
[20:46]writing is sort of like that. I'm like this is going to be great and then you just start a new project
[20:50]and you're like oh my god what have I done? At least once the baby's out in the world that
[20:55]doesn't require so much maintenance I suppose as an actual product. Good point. So my normal podcast
[21:02]is called Quit Your Day job. So I have to know if you were not writing what else would you be
[21:06]doing right now? If I can do anything I wanted or if it's just like other things I could be doing
[21:12]if I wasn't anything you wanted. You're dream. I always thought because music is a big part of
[21:18]like who I am a foundational to me. I would find you a lot of fun to be a music supervisor on a
[21:24]TV series. I just finished watching them there if I don't know if you've heard it. It's a show
[21:28]on FX. It's about people working in a restaurant in Chicago and the music cues. The music drops are
[21:34]just really amazing with so well times and I always thought it'd be so much fun to the person who
[21:39]listen to all the music from all the different albums and just times them for certain scenes.
[21:43]That would be my dream. I just said an awesome job. You could write it and then also you could put
[21:47]the music in. You could just do both. We always like to ask what advice you have for aspiring
[21:56]writers who are listening to this and thinking they would want nothing more than to be able to be
[22:01]just like you. I mean I think it's kind of what I've said earlier because I written two books
[22:07]before Java and then when I came came time to tap the job I had to think about what do I do
[22:12]different in this time that didn't work the previous two times and for me again it was about
[22:17]okay what can I inject into this book that is so passionate and personal to me and send them
[22:22]else to stay in you writing it for years because as we're just talking about you work on a book for
[22:27]years and you have to have so much interest and passion that will cut you back into your chair
[22:33]every day on your desk that's your laptop. You have to find something else to stay in you over
[22:38]a long period of time so really think about what you're writing about and why you're writing
[22:41]about it because that's what's going to keep me going every day and the other thing is just think
[22:45]about your process in a way. I really have to change my process for writing this book and that's
[22:50]what we writing this book affected from me before I went that quote unquote cancer which means
[22:55]it kind of came up with the idea as I went along but because my debut novel has such a big
[23:00]cast of characters I just thought that wouldn't work. I had to figure out things ahead of time
[23:04]and that's what I did. I outlined the novel in advance and that really worked for me and I
[23:07]don't think I should have to you'll have to decide if you're a cancer or a plotter but just give
[23:12]yourself a lot of thought about what do I can I do for myself to make this book a lot easier to
[23:17]write and help me kind of keep going every day so I figured I assisted for myself that really worked
[23:22]by taking me to my second novel and I think that could be really helpful if you just
[23:26]gave it a lot of thought about how you're going to write this novel beyond the idea itself how
[23:31]you make it easier for yourself to kind of sustain every day. Yeah that's such a good advice.
[23:36]So for your first did you finish your first two novels that you wrote? Did you kind of
[23:40]abandon the mid through midway through? Oh no they're they're completed. They're completed but
[23:44]I found myself a board at a certain point and if I'm bored as you offer why would anyone else be
[23:49]interested in them? So that's why I decided to send out this one. Well good thing that you started
[23:55]Dauvashastri's last day a book that I completely loved and this has been such a great chat
[23:59]where can listeners find out more information about you what you're working on and things
[24:05]happening with your book? Sure so you can visit my website which is kithamiramassetti.com. I'm on
[24:11]twitter at popscrigglings.com. Love it and then I'm awesome. I came up with a Twitter handle
[24:17]when I was still in entertainment journalists and I was like do I want my name associated with
[24:21]this is so long ago. Anyways that's my Twitter response version but Instagram is just my name
[24:27]Kithamiramassetti. Amazing Kithamir this has been awesome. Thank you so much for coming on mom's
[24:31]don't have time to read books. Thank you so much for having me this was so far.
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