Dylan Dreyer, MISTY THE CLOUD: Friends Through Rain or Shine
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[1:13]Dylan dreyer is the author of Misty the Cloud a very stormy day
[1:17]This is one of the 30 plus episodes guest hosted by amazing women
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[1:24]This one is hosted by Julianne Goldman founder of mama den and a podcaster herself
[1:29]Dylan dreyer is a meteorologist for NBC news a co-host of the third hour of today and the host of earth
[1:35]Odyssey with Dylan dreyer
[1:36]She's covered hurricanes with 130 mile per hour winds
[1:39]But she loves a nice breeze when she walks her dog Bosco
[1:42]She has stood out in six feet snowstorms, which is taller than her
[1:46]But she loves to go sledding with her sons kelvin and all of her
[1:48]She's watched roads turned into rivers during strong thunderstorms
[1:52]But loves to splash in puddles
[1:53]She's traveled the country in has been to 49 states and the world and has even been to the north pole
[1:58]She loves the weather and thinks the world is a fascinating place
[2:01]She lives in New York City with her husband Brian their sons kelvin and all of her and their dog Bosco
[2:06]Follow her on instagram and twitter at Dylan dreyer nbc
[2:09]All right, Dylan dryer. Thank you so much for being here. Oh, it's so nice to be with you
[2:14]So tell us about Misty the cloud. Who is this mysterious character?
[2:19]Well, this mysterious character was just a
[2:23]Figment of my imagination. I mean really it's just I've always looked up at the sky
[2:28]You know as a meteorologist
[2:29]But beyond that thinking what if there was this really cool world up in the sky
[2:33]You know like when we're little and we're scared of thunder and your mom says
[2:37]You know, well, it's just the angels bowling well
[2:39]What if there were actually clouds up there doing something that made the weather as it is, you know
[2:44]Oh, and and in the the case of the first book
[2:47]It was Misty having a bad day and it turns into this thunderstorm and in the second book
[2:52]It's about sunshine and clouds kind of competing for the same space in the sky
[2:57]And they have to learn to share compromise and work together and beautiful things happen when they do in this in this case of rainbow
[3:03]Do you think you had to be a mom to come up with this concept?
[3:07]Well, it's funny because my husband and I first came up with this concept years ago
[3:11]I mean before we first moved to New York City before we ever had kids and
[3:16]The book didn't come out till last year, you know, so it goes to show you how much goes into trying to
[3:22]Pitch an idea like this trying to sell this idea to somebody and then once we had kids over the course of that time
[3:29]We really changed how we approached the book, you know, like I had to find a co-author who could write in the voice of a children's
[3:36]Book author because I realized that I didn't know how to write like a children's book author because I'm a scientist, you know
[3:41]I also didn't have kids when I wrote the first iterations of the book and now that I have kids
[3:45]I read to them all the time and I realized it's just a different cadence. It's a different way of writing
[3:50]It's a way that it is fun for adults, but also enjoyable for kids to listen to so we we've definitely had a change a lot
[3:57]And kids played a big role in that once once we got closer to actually getting this done
[4:01]What's an example of like something that you wrote before you had a kid that then you changed first the book was called like puff
[4:10]Instead of misty the cloud so it had to be more specific
[4:13]I realized, you know puff could be worth really anything and obviously in our minds
[4:17]It's puff magic dragon, but it was it was so much wordier
[4:22]I realized when I wrote the first couple of books
[4:24]It was this word document that was so many pages long and so detailed and so
[4:29]Wordy that it was almost tedious to read out loud and now I noticed okay
[4:35]Let's let the pictures do a lot of the talking
[4:37]Let's keep the dialogue nice and short. Let's make it fun for kids and easy to understand
[4:43]So we definitely simplified it a lot and rosy our illustrator rosy butcher put so much
[4:49]The context into the pictures themselves so we didn't have to say everything with words
[4:55]The graphics are so beautiful and so fun and whimsical
[4:59]Thank you. It was incredible that what you see on the papers
[5:03]Literally what was in my head and the fact that rosy was able to just take my abstract
[5:07]Descriptions of what I wanted the characters in this world to look like and put it into something like this book
[5:13]It's I don't know how she did it, but
[5:15]She's amazing
[5:16]So one of the things that I love so much in the book and as a mom
[5:21]I've two young kids who I can't wait to read this with them
[5:25]You know on days when it's raining. I'm like, oh the the clouds are crying
[5:29]See some days the clouds have sad days to or
[5:33]Okay, admittedly sometimes. I'll say the clouds are peeing
[5:43]I love it. I endorse
[5:46]But I love that there's a little bit more science to this or you know
[5:49]There are other things that could be going on in the sky just aside from the clouds crying or peeing
[5:57]Well, that was that's what I've been having so much fun with because you know
[6:00]The first book it really made so much sense to me to kind of correlate this feeling of waking up on the wrong side of the bed and having
[6:07]Just things seem to pile up in your just frustrations and your anger kind of develops over the course of the day
[6:13]You just explode in this really bad mood kind of like how a thunderstorm sort of you know
[6:18]Develops over the course of the day and explodes and into a thunderstorm
[6:21]But with the second book I wanted to make sure it wasn't like every time it was raining
[6:25]Misty's having a bad day because in some areas it can rain a lot
[6:28]And I want Misty to be a happy character and a character that everybody can relate with you know
[6:32]And I want kids to be able to relate to being in a bad mood
[6:35]But also in this particular book. It's just they're playing a fun water game
[6:39]So you never know exactly what's happening as to why it's raining, you know in your particular area here on earth
[6:45]But I wanted to give so many different options
[6:48]And I think that's what's been so fun is I first come up with a weather element that I want to talk about
[6:54]To what their thunderstorms this one happened to be rainbows in the future
[6:57]I want to talk about fog and I sort of come up with the science behind okay
[7:01]Here's why it happens and how can we work that into some emotions because there's this odd parallel between the weather and our emotions
[7:09]I think it dictates how we feel
[7:11]I know there are times where I want to go out and grab a drink with some friends because it's nice and sunny
[7:15]And then all of a sudden gets cloudy and I'm like yeah, it's kind of you like sitting at home
[7:18]You know, it just it dictates how I feel all the time
[7:21]But that's what's been fun. It's like this little puzzle to put together
[7:24]What would be happening up in the clouds?
[7:26]You know from a emotional standpoint that would make a foggy day that would make a sunny day that would make a tornado or a hurricane
[7:33]You know some severe weather
[7:34]So it's really been a fun puzzle to put together
[7:37]And we have so many ideas in the pipeline of what we could actually do with with the science behind it because I love that element to it
[7:46]I think it's so brilliant to link weather patterns and and emotions and I mean
[7:52]I know even just in dealing with my own kids this morning and finally getting them off to school
[7:57]I'm feeling like I had just experienced a tornado or you know
[8:01]But but also it it teaches kids that it reminds them that the emotions that they feel are what we feel also
[8:09]And it relates that back to them. I think which is really important
[8:12]Exactly and I think that's one thing. I've learned now having three kids in my own
[8:16]Especially my oldest son who is just sometimes an emotional roller coaster. You know, but I want to talk about emotions and
[8:24]Not great emotions too like when you feel angry or feel frustrated or you just want to scream
[8:29]I mean because I feel like they have all those emotions and it's okay to feel that way
[8:33]But what's important is what you do with those emotions because the way you react to something or the way you act in general
[8:39]Impacts people around you just like whatever happens in the weather world it impacts all of us here on the ground
[8:45]You know, so whether it's raining or it's sunny or it's a drought because it's not raining, you know
[8:49]Maybe there's an issue going on there, but I just want
[8:53]The book in and of itself to be about emotions and how
[8:57]You handle those emotions and how you talk about those emotions and just relate those to what kids can understand
[9:03]So we don't beat you over the head with the science in the book
[9:06]Yes, it's kind of the back story with with weather
[9:09]But the back pages are for the science, you know because there are some kids who really just have this passion for weather and have always loved it and
[9:17]That's where I can kind of explain the science by an at the personal or rainbow or fog or whatever
[9:22]You know the weather element is and it helps teachers too and parents who are trying to explain this
[9:26]But for the kids who don't want to get into the science and the other like weather
[9:30]But don't want to know the backstory then they could just skip those pages
[9:34]I appreciate you saying that about your son because I often feel that way about my son as well
[9:39]And I feel like sometimes these kinds of books might be a little more gendered and speak more to girls versus boys
[9:45]And it's so nice that you read this and it doesn't feel that way
[9:49]I'm glad you say that because that's what I was hoping and you know
[9:51]We kind of kept the main characters females just me being a female meteorologist
[9:55]There was also on one level important to show that girls can be really
[10:00]good in science and science for girls and STEM and all that kind of stuff.
[10:04]I wanted to promote that because that's the upbringing I had was just being introduced
[10:08]to science early on and loving it and math and all that.
[10:11]But I also raised boys and I noticed there are so many books that go in one direction
[10:16]or the other and this is just this is weather.
[10:18]So that's why there's Misty and she's a girl and there's Clarence.
[10:20]She's a girl but their friends are boys.
[10:23]I grew up with older brothers, you know, and I think having boys and I'm, you know,
[10:28]being in the girl power and stuff.
[10:29]But I'm also, I want to be a proponent for boy power too in a good way, you know,
[10:34]raising kind boys, raising boys who are respectful of the girls they're having play
[10:40]dates with, you know, and just I want to raise good boys.
[10:44]100%.
[10:46]Tell us more about Dylan, the scientist.
[10:48]Well, Dylan's scientist was quite the nerd.
[10:52]I actually went to school for engineering.
[10:54]For some reason I was never really exposed to weather growing up in school.
[10:58]I love the weather.
[10:59]I love sitting on the front porch with my brothers watching thunderstorms rolled through
[11:03]and, you know, I just, I've always had a thing for the weather and watching clouds
[11:07]in the sky and all that kind of stuff.
[11:08]But I don't know why I didn't know it was something I could study.
[11:13]And when I went to school, I thought I like math, I like science, I'm going to be an engineer.
[11:17]That's just, that's what I'm going to go to school for.
[11:20]And as, you know, my freshman and sophomore year went on and I was like, oh, but I can study
[11:24]meteorology.
[11:25]Let me take this class because I like weather and it turns out all my math and science
[11:30]credits could switch over easily to meteorology and I just kind of pursued that path.
[11:35]And I was going to go into research or forensic meteorology or, you know, a desk job as a scientist.
[11:41]But then when I had an internship at WCBS in New York City, I was like, oh, it's kind of fun
[11:46]to do all this research and do all this work and work on the graphics and make the forecast
[11:50]and then get to talk to people about it.
[11:52]So it really happened organically.
[11:55]There was no big goal to get on TV someday and that's just kind of how it happened.
[12:00]If you weren't on TV, would you still be in science or doing meteorology and some form or
[12:06]another?
[12:07]Because TV was a curveball.
[12:09]That was that internship, I've decided that's awesome.
[12:12]You know, I love this side of things.
[12:14]But if I never had that internship, I would have just stayed the course, you know, working
[12:18]at the national weather service or maybe working for an airline or, you know, just maybe
[12:22]starting a company and making my own personal forecast for companies that the other companies
[12:27]that need it.
[12:28]So I would have definitely stayed in that lane.
[12:29]I love weather so much.
[12:30]Well, and that's I think what makes you so great at what you do is that that passion jumps
[12:36]through the screen.
[12:37]Oh, thank you.
[12:38]It's easy to talk about something when you really like it.
[12:41]And you know, sometimes when I talk to schools, they're like, are you nervous when you go
[12:44]on TV?
[12:45]And it's, you know, I get more nervous when I'm interviewing a celebrity or if I'm, you
[12:50]know, whether I can just talk about I can wake up in the morning and find out like, oh,
[12:53]owls off today.
[12:54]I need to go do weather.
[12:55]And I can just I can talk about weather.
[12:57]It's just it's what I know and I especially love explaining whether in a way that people
[13:01]can understand, you know, because it can be a complicated science.
[13:04]But I like to break it down in a way that makes it tangible and easy to understand.
[13:09]Can you take us back to I would just want to like draw that passion out a bit more and
[13:13]take us back to sitting on your front porch or, you know, like really what you love, what
[13:19]you love about it, what you find so interesting.
[13:21]I mean, I can still, I mean, I grew up in the same, I grew up in a house, my dad built.
[13:26]So it's the only house I knew growing up and I can close my eyes and I could walk through
[13:32]the whole house of my eyes closed.
[13:33]Like I can just feel the feelings of walking out the front door.
[13:36]I can hear the door shut.
[13:39]And I would just sit there on this black bench, very uncomfortable bench that my parents
[13:43]parents had on this like covered porch kind of thing and we lived in the woods.
[13:46]So there, there wasn't a lot of sky that we could see, but you could hear the wind get
[13:52]more and more intense through the trees.
[13:54]And I always knew that it that lightning was dangerous, you know, and if you were in a car,
[13:59]you were safe because of the rubber on the tires.
[14:02]Well, I thought and nobody corrected me probably because my parents didn't know any different.
[14:06]I would put sneakers on my hands thinking the rubber soles on the sneakers would protect
[14:10]me.
[14:11]No, the science behind electricity at the time and I would sit on the front porch, listen
[14:16]to the wind, hear the rumbles with thunder and see like the whole like everything just
[14:20]light up and I'd be sitting there on the bench with my sneakers on my hands by yourself.
[14:27]By myself, sometimes I drag my brothers out there with me, but I'm glad I lived to tell
[14:30]about it.
[14:31]I feel like that should be a scene in one of the next, but don't do this lessons, lessons
[14:40]from the secret club.
[14:41]Well, you know, being on TV, you sort of have like two labs, right?
[14:46]There's a life in front of the camera and the life behind the camera with three young boys
[14:51]at home.
[14:52]What does your life look like on the other side?
[14:55]There's a lot of joy.
[14:56]I mean, yeah, there are some times where I get really stressed, usually when I'm not sleeping.
[15:02]You know, and the good thing about this job is all my notes for the show that day are
[15:06]sitting on my desk when I come in in the morning.
[15:08]So I have my routine, I'm spoiled because somebody else does my hair and makeup so I can
[15:13]sit there and read my notes while that's all getting done.
[15:16]But give yourself some credit.
[15:18]What time is that in the month?
[15:20]It depends.
[15:21]If I'm in for Al, that's like five o'clock in the morning.
[15:24]Okay.
[15:25]Just doing the third hour, that's like seven o'clock, which is, you know, that's reasonable.
[15:29]It's reasonable, but it's still, you know, it's still early.
[15:32]But I don't have to bring my job home with me, you know, like when the show is over
[15:37]at 10, if I don't have to shoot that day or something, you know, to do that was scheduled
[15:42]through work, I mean, 10 o'clock, I can usually get home, get something done, make lunch
[15:46]for the boys, then they'll go take a nap and then I'll cook dinner.
[15:51]You know, so like, my day is pretty, it's not a pretty tight schedule.
[15:55]I mean, if we're not eating dinner at five o'clock, it's like, okay, well, what's going
[15:58]on right now that we're not eating dinner at five o'clock because five o'clock is
[16:01]when we eat dinner.
[16:02]And as soon as dinner's done, we're going to take our baths and there's a strict schedule
[16:07]in the house.
[16:08]And the boys seem, it works for them, you know, I mean, seven o'clock, the baby's asleep
[16:12]and then bed and then seven, 15, we're reading books or I'm reading a book with Oliver
[16:16]and Calvin and then seven, 30 there and bed, you know, it's like, it's, I think they do
[16:21]better on having that routine, but when things get thrown for a loop and I get stressed
[16:26]out, things can sometimes, you know, take a turn.
[16:31]And I feel like when I'm stressed, it makes the kids stressed, so I'm always just trying
[16:34]to take a deep breath.
[16:37]Like the other day I had to drive up to Boston for a book signing and the car, there was
[16:43]a car service that picked me up because just like a whole long story.
[16:46]So I had Ollie and Calvin, Ollie and Rusty, the baby in the car and everything was going
[16:52]nice and smooth and then the car starts overheating.
[16:55]So we have to keep pulling over to the side of the road and I keep asking like if everything's
[17:00]okay and we're trying to get another car and now the kids are awake from their little nap
[17:04]here and they're crying and they're upset and throughout the whole time I just took this
[17:09]deep breath and I'm like, this is out of my hands.
[17:11]There's nothing I can do.
[17:13]And the driver even said to me, she's like, how are you being so calm?
[17:15]Because this is, this isn't really stressful.
[17:17]This has turned into a six hour drive and I said, can you do anything about it?
[17:22]No, can I do anything about it?
[17:23]No, so let's, let's just roll with it, you know, and Ollie's laughing in the background
[17:28]and it was just, you know, it was just, I try to find joy where I can and, you know,
[17:33]yes, some days are stressful but sometimes I just, just what can you do?
[17:37]It sounds like another scene from a future book but, but I love what you said about routine
[17:42]also because like so much about being a mom is carrying the mental load and I at least
[17:47]appreciate that like when you can have some semblance of routine, it makes the mental load
[17:54]that much, that much easier it just like takes a few items off your plate.
[17:59]I agree because even if, you know, say dinner doesn't happen at five and say it happens
[18:02]at six instead.
[18:03]Well, let's regroup, let's reset at seven because seven's when the baby's going to
[18:06]go to sleep and then, you know, there's always those times you can strive for to reset.
[18:11]Right.
[18:12]Where did you find time to write the books?
[18:15]Well, it's a long process to write a children's book between the editing and the going
[18:22]back and forth, you know, on the actual words in the book and then going back and forth
[18:26]on the actual illustrations in the book.
[18:28]So it's kind of all spaced out and I feel like every week I can block out some time to
[18:34]get it done, you know, so for example, the other day during the Queen's funeral, there
[18:38]was a lot of standby time because of the hurricane and Puerto Rico, I was going, I was
[18:42]going to do a weather hit but it just never really worked out.
[18:46]So during that time, I was actually editing our fourth book which is a step in the reading
[18:50]book.
[18:51]So I was able to, you know, kind of read through it, make my corrections and then I'll
[18:55]look at it again later and make more corrections and then I'll send it to my co-author
[18:59]and see what he thinks.
[19:00]And I just kind of, you know, when I have a moment where I can just sit here or I'm waiting
[19:04]for something or I'm in the doctor's office or, you know, you can always kind of just
[19:09]do things a little bit and then do a little bit more later.
[19:13]You know, otherwise you're so overwhelmed trying to think I have to do this all at once.
[19:17]I'm a big fan of, even when I watch TV, my husband's like, you don't have an hour to
[19:21]watch the last episode of Better Call Saul and it's like, yeah, but I've got 15 minutes.
[19:25]I'll watch 15 minutes and I'll come back to it later.
[19:27]He doesn't understand how I can do that.
[19:29]That's still some pretty baller multitasking.
[19:33]It's very clear that because I don't really look at it much more than just filling
[19:39]up the time.
[19:40]Well, it's like how I get things done.
[19:42]Yeah, that's like true.
[19:45]So you're editing, you're working on a fourth book that means a third book is on the
[19:51]way.
[19:52]Next to our step into reading books, like early readers, which is actually worked out great
[19:57]because Calvin, my old.
[20:00]he's five and a half. I kind of looked to him for the first two books. You know, I would read him
[20:04]every iteration of the book. And if you liked it, I kept that line in. If he didn't like it or he
[20:10]looked confused, I sort of reworked that line. But the next two books to come out are going to be
[20:14]right in line with him and his, you know, reading journey as a little kid. So I can't wait for
[20:19]him to see the next ones and get his opinion on those. And will that my son is five and a half too.
[20:24]And I was thinking that he would really love at the end of the books, the activities.
[20:29]Will the early readers have those activities as well? I wanted to do the activities in the early
[20:34]readers, but we kind of pulled back. So the science is more worked into the story, which is
[20:39]difficult in an early reader, because it's science. So there are some words. Like temperature and
[20:45]equator, and you know, there's science words. They have to figure out how to say a different way,
[20:49]which is really tough to do. But that's what we, so the first two books with the science and the
[20:54]back, we thought that's what kind of made it different. I made it stand out. And with the step
[20:58]into reading books, we wanted to work science into the story, which we think is different than,
[21:05]you know, a typical step in the reading book. So, but I also didn't want to take away from future
[21:09]picture books and do something so involved that I would want those back pages. So like the
[21:16]step into reading book, the first one that we're doing is kind of about a seabreeze. So it's a
[21:20]very basic concept that I can work into the book, but there wouldn't really be an experiment.
[21:25]I would think on a seabreeze. I have to think about it, but we kind of kept the concepts a little
[21:30]simpler. I can't wait to see those. That's exciting. Thank you. One, one thing I want to ask is,
[21:36]you know, something that's so unique about the today show, I think is that so many of the
[21:42]principles, the anchors are mothers. Can you talk about what that's like working in that kind of
[21:48]environment? Because I think that's pretty unique, whether it's in media and TV or any other
[21:54]business, where you have all these like high-level women working together who are mothers and
[22:00]mothers of young children. I think that's what makes it really different. You know, our
[22:05]broker, I think, is the only one who has older kids. I mean, Chanel's kids are a little bit older,
[22:09]but we are all kind of in the same boat. I remember when I was pregnant with Calvin, Savannah was
[22:16]pregnant with Charlie and Hoda and I are actually neighbors. So our kids are basically the same age,
[22:23]like, the oldest is five and a half. And I think her youngest is three and all. He's turning three
[22:28]students. So I mean, they're so close and age that they've become really good friends and we
[22:32]dinner over each other's homes. And you know, it's just, it's special because we get it. There are
[22:39]times where I'm just stressed about traveling or whatever. And I remember when we were over in
[22:44]Korea for the Olympics several years ago before COVID, Savannah and I both had and Hoda too. We
[22:51]all had one year olds at home. And it just makes it easier. It's like, oh my gosh, I don't want to do
[22:58]this. I can't believe I have to leave my one year old for three weeks, but okay, you're doing it
[23:02]too and you're doing it. Okay. How are you going to get through it? Okay. Good. All right. Well, if you
[23:06]can do it, I can do it. And there's just like a, like a buddy sort of thing. You know, when your friend
[23:13]is going through the same thing you're going through, it just makes it like, okay, I'm not alone,
[23:18]if she can do it, I can do it as simple as that. Was it helpful during COVID also, especially?
[23:24]Yes, because we were all trying to maneuver working from home. And it was almost refreshing when
[23:30]our kids would pop into the scene or something would happen where we couldn't keep our kids
[23:34]hidden in the background. And I think that's what made COVID special from it today's show standpoint
[23:40]was, you know, we're bringing people into our homes, literally, because we're in your home every day.
[23:45]And we're trying to navigate this whole new world too. And our kids are at home while we're
[23:50]trying to work from home. And things don't always go as planned. And we all just kind of rolled with
[23:56]it. But it's certainly made it easier knowing everybody was in the same boat. But it's so nice
[24:01]because you, at the same time, all of you, and I see with you, especially, you, you know,
[24:07]you show what it's like to be a parent. You post pictures with your kids. And, and so you guys,
[24:13]it helps internally, it helps you guys internally ease the isolation, but also externally with viewers
[24:19]and people who are watching at home. They see that they're also in a similar boat. Yeah. And I,
[24:25]I mean, that was, I don't know if it was a decision. My husband and I talked about, you know,
[24:29]if we were going to put our kids out there on social media, I think when you work at the
[24:32]today's show, certain times a year, we tend to put our kids out there. You know, we always post
[24:37]pictures of our kids during the holidays and we'll always do a Mother's Day special or our kids
[24:42]surprise us in some form or another. So I knew working at the today's show, our families would be
[24:48]out there for the public to see. And my husband, just, he puts together really funny videos of
[24:53]our kids. And he captures moments in our, our house that I think are really special that I just
[24:58]like to share. I don't, I'm, I'm an open book, you know, I, I don't really hide me thing. I'm a
[25:03]terrible liar. Like I just put my, I just, I just put myself out there. And I'm just a regular
[25:09]mom just trying to get by my house is a mess. Oftentimes, any video you see that happens in my
[25:14]house, the house is a disaster because there's not enough time to clean up the house. And I'm
[25:18]not necessarily a neat person. And I find when I post something like that, I get more comments,
[25:23]like thank you for showing your house is a mess because my house is also a mess. And it just,
[25:27]again, that whole thing of it just makes you feel better knowing someone else's go into the same
[25:32]thing. Totally. It's not just you. Exactly. Not just your kid. Well, thank you. I know you mentioned
[25:38]Better Call Saul, but on the book front, what do you read for fun and any book recommendations right
[25:43]now? It's very rare that I actually get to, to read for fun. Although we had someone on the show
[25:50]a couple weeks ago who recommended Hotel Nantucket. So I took a copy home with me because it was
[25:56]just sitting there on the table. And that's what by Ellen Hildebrand. So that's that's what I'm
[26:00]actually reading before bed. And it's been one of the best things. Like normally I'll try to watch
[26:04]something on TV before I go to bed, but it has been the thing I look forward to when the boys
[26:08]are asleep. I just snuggle up in my bed. My dog sitting right next to me. And I read a chapter or two
[26:14]before I fall asleep. And it's just I remember why I like reading so much because it just takes you
[26:19]to another place and you're just you're escaping for a little bit. But I do tend to like books
[26:26]where I can escape, you know, a mystery or a romance novel or something I don't have to think
[26:32]about. I'm ancestor. Dylan Dryer, thank you so much for the time. It's been great chatting with you.
[26:38]You too. Thank you so much. Sure. Bye. Thanks for listening to this episode of Moms Don't Have
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