Lauren Willig, THE LOST SUMMERS OF NEWPORT: A Novel
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[1:13]Lauren will like is one of the co-authors of the lost summers of Newport along with Beatrice Williams and Karen White
[1:21]She is a New York Times and USA Today best-selling author of the summer country the Ashford Affair that summer
[1:27]The other daughter and the English wife as well as the RITA award-winning pink carnation series
[1:34]An alumna of Yale University
[1:35]She has a graduate degree in history from Harvard and a JD from Harvard Law School
[1:40]She lives in New York City with her husband preschooler baby and lots and lots of coffee
[1:45]Sounds like me. I actually met Lauren for a book event for our mutual friend Danielle Ferris
[1:51]Who is wonderful also an author to book with co-author to book with Jenny Jensen. So anyway, that's Lauren
[1:58]Welcome Lauren. Thanks so much for coming on mom's don't have time to read books to discuss the lost summers of Newport and your whole career and all the good stuff
[2:08]Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm so happy to be here
[2:12]I'm so excited that we were introduced by Danielle Ferris my food my really good friend from college and your preschool
[2:21]co-mom or whatever you call it exactly. It's so lovely. Have a sympathetic fellow writer there
[2:28]While we're waiting for preschool pay-up
[2:32]You know, we were at her event for the last season the last yeah the last season when she co-author with Jenny Jensen and you know us being there
[2:39]It just
[2:41]highlights
[2:41]This not the difficulty but like the challenge and getting the word out about any book right we we work so hard on all these books and then
[2:50]You have events and you hope people come and I don't know but at least you meet like minded people at these events too
[2:56]So that's wonderful. I know it's always so much fun all the intersections because you always bump into people
[3:01]You knew that you didn't know them. It's complete the world only has 10 people in it. How did this happen? I know exactly
[3:08]Okay, first let's talk about the lost summers of Newport
[3:10]I'm actually going to Newport soon for some book events. So this is excellent preferatory material
[3:16]Can you tell us nurse what this book would you co-authored with Beatrice Williams? I'm Karen White is about
[3:22]Door a covers three periods of Newport history. We open in
[3:26]2019 if we did not want to deal with the pandemic when a single mom is working on a
[3:33]Mansion makeover show her careers and tatters
[3:36]She needs this in order to salvage her TV producer career
[3:41]But the problem is the mansion that the show is making over but longs to the reclusive lucky
[3:46]Frog the matriarch of the frog family who's given very distinct orders about where the show is and isn't allowed to go
[3:54]But the producers want to dig up the dirt about the frog family going back to the
[4:00]1890s to the gilded age where the young frog
[4:04]Eris and Eris from a Colorado mining fortune totally new money. No polish
[4:09]Tried to break into Newport society with a daring marriage to an Italian prince
[4:15]And so that's we go back in time to 1899 when a young music teacher is hired to teach
[4:21]Mabel's Frog
[4:22]Harrias to catch the ear and the heart of the prince
[4:25]Then 50 years later we join her granddaughter
[4:29]Lucky's Frog who is at that point a young matron in the 1950s in Newport as the preservation movement is getting underway
[4:37]Lucky is unhappily married to her cousin. Just well, I guess you could call him a step cousin her step cousin
[4:44]Stice brag no blood relation. We want to make clear
[4:48]And also working on the chiffney ball with Jackie Kennedy and others
[4:51]Which is raising money for preserving these houses that are beginning to fall into disrepair
[4:56]That can't be kept up as they once were and on the night of the tiffney ball something shocking happens
[5:01]That changes left these life forever
[5:03]So our poor 2019 heroine Andy is they're digging up all the dirt from the 1890s and the 1950s. Wow
[5:12]How did you the three of you?
[5:14]A come up with this idea and be divide the writing of it. Did you each take a character?
[5:19]Like a timeline
[5:20]But with our first book we search stumbled into our process by accident
[5:24]And what we wound up doing was we got together in person
[5:27]We plotted the whole thing out. I mean, just it's amazing when we get together
[5:31]We call ourselves the unibrain because there's this incredible synergy and these ideas just on school and the characters
[5:38]Feel so real. It's like they're sitting on the table in between us
[5:42]Sometimes they're sort of squatting their mocking us, but you know you take what you can get
[5:46]But anyway, so what we do is we plot the entire book out together
[5:49]We do a chapter by chapter outline and only then once the whole book is there in front of us
[5:55]And we've all contributed
[5:57]Do we each claim a character and then we go back to our own little parts of the world
[6:02]I'm in New York
[6:03]Beatrice is a Connecticut parents way down south in Georgia
[6:07]And we write round robin and so that's how our process works
[6:11]So we're always what does that mean right round robin?
[6:14]So the books we always alternate chapters between the time period
[6:18]So in lost some reason before we start in 2019 with Andy
[6:21]Then moved to 1899 with Ellen in 1957 with lucky
[6:25]So whoever and we never tell the road which character
[6:28]But whoever wrote Andy wrote the first chapter
[6:32]Then emailed it to whoever wrote Ellen
[6:34]And then whoever wrote Ellen emailed those chapters to whoever wrote lucky
[6:39]And so to us before we start our own chapter is always reading
[6:44]The previous two chapters written by the other two
[6:47]Because we found that way
[6:49]I mean actually we've decided because we're all we've all been choral singers at some point or another
[6:53]When we read each other's words our voices blend
[6:56]So you always read the other chapters right before you write your own
[6:59]And then you pick up on their singing and symbolism and voices
[7:04]And it all sort of melts into something unique and different
[7:07]And that's how we write to me write it in exactly the order in which you read it as it appears
[7:12]Age that is so interesting
[7:15]Yeah, and that's for the idea of this was
[7:17]So we like to tease Beatrice about her procrastus strolling have a not strolling. Sorry
[7:23]No, I'm not copy procrastus
[7:26]Abit, we're in the morning. She likes to peruse highbrow publications like the daily telegraph and the daily mail
[7:33]And she found this article about a mansion make-over show in Britain
[7:38]You know the stately pile being invaded by camera crews
[7:42]But the family meets them because they need to repair the roof on the other hand
[7:45]They don't want them digging into family secrets which of course the camera cruiser there did you?
[7:49]I'm like oh my god
[7:50]This is the best idea for but let's move it to the you to the US and we were like so where can we find a good stately pile
[7:58]And we're like of course report new port is synonymous with stately piles and so that's how the idea started
[8:04]And we were in love with it partially because we are all obsessed with historic house restoration
[8:09]But particularly Karen her daughter has a degree in historic preservation from gosh
[8:14]I forget the exact name of the school that the place in Charleston where they do very serious historic preservation
[8:19]And you know, I just like watching cheap old houses and so between the three of us
[8:25]We're like oh my gosh. How fun and then from there. We gone to the historical periods
[8:31]That's great. I love this idea. I mean how fun to collaborate with two like my dad
[8:36]I've already said like my dad. I don't know what's wrong. They two other amazing authors to it's like a it's like a writing assignment
[8:42]If you will like it's like a but yet you come out with these great books like it's not like you're just having fun
[8:48]You actually are producing the books. It's amazing. It's great
[8:52]I mean it is but anyway, but we're also having fun and that's how it all started
[8:56]We were drinking at a bar one night and we were like oh my god
[8:59]Why can't we just be together always and then one of us? I can't remember which one we were we were several cocktails
[9:06]And a few balls of going in one of us was like oh my god
[9:09]It's so simple if we write a book together
[9:12]Our publisher will have to tour us together and pay for our girls trip and we feel like this is the best
[9:16]I've ever
[9:19]Karen's editor and we're like oh my god, we have the best idea and she she does not drink
[9:25]She's her move-out the blast of her alcohol fumes and was like my ancestors have some aspirin drink a lot of water
[9:32]I think she was harp. I mean we came back to her several months later. I'm like so this but the idea
[9:36]We actually are go write a book together and everyone was horrified our agents were horrified or editors were horrified
[9:43]They were all like
[9:44]But anthologies don't sell and we're like it's not an anthology. It's a single book
[9:49]And they're like but there are three of you. How can that be a single book that the humor does it was purely a humor bike
[9:56]And then they got the book and they're like oh, it's actually a book
[10:00]And we're like, yes.
[10:01]And now you will continue to pay for our girl strips.
[10:03]Wow.
[10:04]And has that happened?
[10:05]Have you gotten all expense paid?
[10:07]Girls, chances and results?
[10:09]We do.
[10:10]Actually, now we have sort of like a regular,
[10:12]I mean, it's all work work work,
[10:14]but we get together at the beginning and the end of each book
[10:17]and of course, book tour, where we just have such a blast.
[10:20]So now we know at least three times a year
[10:23]we will have a tax deductible or a publisher paid excuses
[10:28]to get together, drink lots of perseco
[10:30]and produce a book at the end of it.
[10:32]Wow, very smart.
[10:34]My wheels are turning up like, who would I do this with?
[10:37]Like, what a great idea, but you also all have your own careers.
[10:41]Like, how are you doing this with writing your own books
[10:43]and managing all that?
[10:45]Is this just like, you know, this interstitial type of work?
[10:49]Well, exactly.
[10:50]We like to joke that they try books break the time space
[10:53]continuum because that was a big concern
[10:56]and we first went to our agents with this idea,
[10:58]with the idea for our first book, The Forgotten Room.
[11:01]They were all like, but you're all under deadline.
[11:04]In fact, I had just had my first kid
[11:06]and was writing two books a year at the time.
[11:08]And so I wasn't just under deadline.
[11:10]I was so far behind deadline.
[11:11]It was like my deadlines were miles away from me,
[11:15]but anyway, but we would be so badly wanted to do it.
[11:17]And they humored us and we discovered
[11:19]that actually the crazy thing that happens
[11:22]is we're more productive when we're writing
[11:24]Team W books together.
[11:26]Because you always get to a point in your own work.
[11:28]I know you know this too,
[11:30]where you just, you get stuck.
[11:31]The characters are out to lunch.
[11:32]They're not talking to you.
[11:34]And you know there's something wrong
[11:35]with your manuscript, but you don't know what it is.
[11:38]For me, it's usually, I have a plot idea,
[11:41]but my characters have developed another direction.
[11:44]And I'm trying to force them to do what I thought they should do.
[11:46]And they're like, yep, strike.
[11:48]And the Team W book comes across your email inbox.
[11:54]It's such a great excuse to pull back,
[11:57]do something else, and we outline the books.
[12:00]So your portion is already there.
[12:02]And you come out of writing your chapter like,
[12:05]wait, I do know how to write.
[12:07]I know how to do this.
[12:08]And it energizes you to go back to your own work.
[12:11]And so it ends up being a time stuck.
[12:13]It's like Hermione Granger's time trainer.
[12:15]It adds extra time.
[12:17]Wow.
[12:18]And talk about your own books for a minute
[12:20]and how you got started and the writing world
[12:23]and like how did we get to hear?
[12:25]Well, I'm an annoying kid who announced my entire first grade class.
[12:29]I was going to be a novelist when I grew up.
[12:32]And I started like when you make that declaration
[12:34]at class of 27 girls, it's really hard to walk back.
[12:38]So I spent my misspent youth producing all sorts
[12:42]of really bad derivative manuscripts.
[12:45]And then I went off to grad school to get a PhD
[12:47]in to your student England in the theory
[12:49]that this would help me write completely accurate
[12:53]historical novels.
[12:54]I was going to write this door stop work
[12:57]about the English Civil War.
[12:59]But, you know, dissertations are very boring things.
[13:02]And while I was drowning in footnotes,
[13:03]I was like, I thought I'd do something
[13:05]to keep myself seen.
[13:06]So I wrote a swashbuckling Regency wrong set
[13:10]during the Napoleonic Wars, you know,
[13:12]with a total spoof on the Scarlet Pempernel,
[13:15]spies and blasts, masks, swinging through windows,
[13:18]mistake identity, Napoleon doing stupid things.
[13:21]It was like a Julia Quinn Georgia hire,
[13:24]Baroness Ortee mashup.
[13:26]And I passed around my friends just for fun
[13:29]and one of those friends had a friend who was an agent.
[13:31]And I got a call out of the blue being like,
[13:33]hi, I want to represent you.
[13:35]And I spoke coffee all over myself.
[13:37]And it was a book that was never meant to be published.
[13:40]The book that was just for fun.
[13:42]But I wound up signing my first book on track at 26
[13:46]in my first month at Harvard Law.
[13:47]So it was this really weird journey.
[13:49]You finished your PhD and then went to law school.
[13:53]Well, actually, my fourth year of grad school,
[13:55]I was like, wait, I really don't like bringing student papers.
[13:59]And I like researching lots of things.
[14:01]Not just three years of English Civil War,
[14:04]maybe I'm not actually cut out for academia.
[14:06]But I should kind of finish the PhD
[14:08]because I've been working on it.
[14:09]So I walked down the block to Harvard Law
[14:11]and started there with the idea
[14:13]that I was going to do at 20 PhD,
[14:14]JD, finish up the PhD while I was getting my JD.
[14:18]And I got this book on track.
[14:19]And it was a two-book contract.
[14:21]Everyone's like, wait, but you can't write a book as a one-L.
[14:25]Just give them a book you've already written.
[14:27]I was like, but they might come to their senses.
[14:29]No one's got to let me write another book
[14:31]once they published the first one.
[14:32]So I need to take the two-book on track.
[14:34]And so the PhD kind of gently
[14:36]that dissertation is still ABD.
[14:38]For one, it used to take out, blow the dust off it.
[14:41]But it's been like 20 years now.
[14:43]So I figured that ship has probably sailed.
[14:47]But in the end, I went out putting two books
[14:49]come out while I was in law school instead.
[14:51]So that was crazy.
[14:53]Oh, my gosh.
[14:54]Law school is so, I mean, but that's
[14:56]the most intense environment ever.
[14:58]Like I read Scott Tarot's one-L.
[15:00]So I feel like I'm an authority on this.
[15:03]There were a lot of people in my class at HLS acting out one-L.
[15:06]But in some ways, that's why having book deadlines helped
[15:09]because I couldn't play the paper chase game
[15:13]because I was too busy being like, so late.
[15:15]If my heroine goes into that deserted garden,
[15:18]and the sky comes out from the ballroom,
[15:20]what's going to happen?
[15:21]So it actually made law school a lot easier.
[15:23]Wow.
[15:24]I love this idea that every time you add work,
[15:27]everything is easier.
[15:28]Like it never takes away.
[15:30]It's all this additive, this magic power,
[15:32]like more work is making my life better.
[15:35]Actually, yes, I'll just sometimes
[15:36]act kind of.
[15:37]It does back part of periodically
[15:39]by calling my theory of productive procrastination.
[15:42]Because I will only work on something
[15:44]if I'm avoiding something else.
[15:46]So the trick is to layer just the right number of things
[15:48]to avoid so you get done the things
[15:50]you actually need to get done.
[15:52]The other day, I did two big presentations,
[15:56]like in Canva, like about Zibi books, the company.
[15:58]And I'm like, I'm doing this because I really
[16:00]should be sitting on this plane working on my novel.
[16:02]But instead, I am going to do a second PowerPoint
[16:05]presentation here, people who have layered on so many things.
[16:11]No, but I get procrastination
[16:14]in other productive ways, but the way you do it.
[16:17]I mean, that's amazing.
[16:19]Adding in a novel as the extra seems, I mean,
[16:22]that's great.
[16:23]It's just amazing.
[16:24]Hey, that was before I had kids.
[16:26]And it was so easy, it's easy in manipulating things
[16:30]like law school, school schedules, and whatnot
[16:33]around your writing schedule.
[16:34]When you add real life people, that's
[16:36]just a whole other level of difficulty.
[16:38]I had not anticipated it.
[16:39]Yeah, so tell me about that, how did you manage it?
[16:44]Well, by the time I had kids mercifully
[16:45]as writing full time, I am in such awe of people
[16:49]who have day jobs and kids and write,
[16:52]because that is a level of juggling.
[16:54]I don't think even with my theory of productive procrastination,
[16:57]I think I would just crumble under the wage.
[17:00]Wow.
[17:01]OK, so take us through the rest of your career.
[17:04]Two books while you were in Harvard Law School.
[17:07]Keep going.
[17:08]Oh gosh, that's my third book.
[17:09]He now, my first week as a litigator at Kravath,
[17:12]which was fun.
[17:13]People had sidel up to me and be like,
[17:14]so I saw your book in the partner's office,
[17:16]which is always entertaining.
[17:18]But I last year as a litigator for a grand total of a year
[17:22]and a half before I was like, book deadlines and briefs
[17:25]don't really go together.
[17:26]I was terrified of turning in the wrong thing
[17:28]to the wrong people, which would have been really bad
[17:30]on many levels.
[17:32]So I left the law to write full time back in 2008,
[17:35]and I've been doing this ever since.
[17:37]For a long time, I was writing the series
[17:39]about Swashbuckling Spies during the Poliag Wars,
[17:42]the pink hernation series.
[17:44]But then the world got more serious.
[17:45]I got older.
[17:46]I had kids.
[17:47]So I started writing more serious books
[17:49]and sort of the Kate Morton vein of past, present,
[17:54]interwoven stories.
[17:55]And that's really largely what I've still
[17:58]been evolving around.
[18:00]A lot of historical sagas.
[18:02]I love getting to, having used to jump around in research
[18:06]different time periods and be like, it's for work.
[18:10]So how many books in total have you written,
[18:12]co-written, or written on your own?
[18:14]Or both?
[18:14]So I am working on, I think number is 24 and 25 right now,
[18:19]because we're working on a tri-book
[18:21]and I'm working on an independent book.
[18:23]So I think it's something like five tri-books right now,
[18:25]20 independent books.
[18:27]Unreal is for a really long time.
[18:30]No, but still, it's the fact that the fountain of ideas
[18:34]does not ever run out.
[18:36]Is that a fear that one day you're just
[18:38]going to get to the end and there will be any material left?
[18:42]Well, let's always see opposite.
[18:43]I'm always finding things and being like, what if?
[18:45]What would this person have, you know,
[18:47]how would someone have felt in this situation?
[18:49]Or for me, it's always absences.
[18:52]They're the bits that are missing from a story.
[18:54]I'm like, wait.
[18:55]So like the book I'm working on right now
[18:57]is about the Manhattan Well Murder,
[18:59]which is New York's first fully recorded,
[19:02]actually America's first fully recorded murder trial.
[19:05]And it's a really famous case.
[19:06]Hamilton and Burr were counseled for the defense.
[19:09]But there's this big hole where the murdered woman should be,
[19:12]where no one has written anything about her, who she was.
[19:16]A lot of the theories of the murder make very little sense to me
[19:18]because no one's flushed out this woman's personality.
[19:21]And I randomly read a book about this
[19:23]because a friend sent it to me, I was like, believe.
[19:26]There's something missing from the story.
[19:27]This woman is missing from the story.
[19:29]I went down this crazy rabbit hole.
[19:31]And that's most of my solo book start
[19:33]with my being like, but we, what are they not telling us here?
[19:36]Why has no one filled in this gap?
[19:39]And I'll start hunting and find crazy things.
[19:42]So what did you find about the woman?
[19:44]Well, I'm still working on that one.
[19:46]But oh, just all sorts of stuff.
[19:48]Like no one had bothered.
[19:49]I mean, this is sort of a whole different rant.
[19:52]But this was one of those cases where no one had bothered
[19:54]to look at the personality and the childhood
[19:57]of the murdered woman figure out who she was.
[20:00]What what might have happened in the lead up to her death, but this is something I can be totally obsessive and talk too much bad. So I should probably save it for two years from now with that.
[20:09]Okay. Okay. Fine. That's how it's really interesting. It's like all their lag where the book you're working on. It's always like two years away. And the book that you're talking about. Usually you wrote two years ago. So you always have to think up your brain.
[20:23]Interesting. Well, that sounds amazing. And then you're also doing another try book you call as you call them. Yes, we're actually we're working. I think I'm just allowed to tell you because we like to keep this stuff secret just because we like to mess with people.
[20:36]But it's set in Scotland. And so we're having so much fun with that. I like to call it our monarch of the land meets knives out book. Wow. And so, but a lot of the year has to be spent in publicity. I mean, it's one thing to do the production of the words, but then the marketing of the end product that let's take a while too.
[20:57]It's funny how much things have changed with my first book, the secret history of the pink carnation back in 2004 2005. I remember being like, do I need to do anything and they're like, no, no, no, no. We do all of this. You just need to write the next book.
[21:11]And, you know, occasionally phone in for radio interviews, but because this was the dark ages. I'd be there are my fuzzy slippers with my landline talking to random radio stations and now like I think back with fully on the days of, no, no, you just write the next book because you know there's so much marketing and publicity.
[21:28]But I find I've always written and fits and starts. I'm either producing 30 pages a day or staring at the same paragraph.
[21:37]And I think which may be a result of my having ran around academic schedules and my lawyer life where you had to cram the writing in or maybe just the way my brain works. So I find like I'll have marketing phases where I do nothing but drive my poor marketing woman at my publishing house.
[21:53]I just have this really great idea. And she's like, no, or I'm deep down the rabbit hole, you know, with my characters serve in my own world trying desperately to remember we wear my kids names again. Oh my gosh. Wait, I want to hear your good marketing ideas.
[22:10]I'm really not that good. I love rethinking things and on the new website called, I think it's like something like up printing. I'm like, I can make these cool. Do that on it. It's really it's such a time waste. I think it's really it's it's again.
[22:28]I think it's like back to productive procrastination. There's clearly something in my book that's not working. And so designing no pads with the next books cover on it gives me time for my brain to work out wherever the plot problem is really that's my excuse.
[22:41]Well, if it works, I mean, keep going for custody. I mean, this is the most effective procrastination I've ever heard of. It's amazing.
[22:48]And how do you deal with kids and work? Like, I know that's a big question, but do you. I mean, I feel like creative pursuits. Can you fit it into like a their at school. I'm going to get it all done type of timeframe or how do you do it.
[23:03]Well, when my older daughter was in preschool and you know, it's the three hours a day. I go to the I would do the drop off and then go the nearest Starbucks and just perch there with my computer until it was time to run and be the last mom and the pickup line.
[23:20]And you know, I found when I am in a herd for deadline mode. I can work that way because I am really, really focused.
[23:27]I think it's harder when I am scattered and trying to do too many things at the same time because then.
[23:33]So then everything expands to take more time. So, you know, I feel like I could not do what I do without childcare and or school.
[23:43]Like when the pandemic happened, I finished, you know, we went to walk down and my husband was working from home and there was no childcare and the resume school for my older one.
[23:53]But the younger one was two and also a disaster magnet and needed someone with him 24 seven and so my husband gave me two hours a day.
[24:02]And I found I could finish. I wrote a chapter a day on my last book band of sisters in that two hours a day and I finished the book on deadline, literally on the day of deadline.
[24:13]Like actually, I needed an extra hour beyond what my husband could give me.
[24:17]So I let the kids play. Well, I set up my computer in the dining room and there were some way the screaming they had somehow taken my daughter's Barbie dream house pool into the kitchen and filled it with water and we're having a Barbie pool party, which went really well until they flooded the kitchen and started.
[24:35]I just needed one hour to finish the book on deadline, but the book coming in. I mean, the kitchen floor was really clean after that.
[24:43]But I found that, you know, I, it was really hard to maintain that kind of schedule on two hours a day when I was then starting the next book and it made me a pre and I wound up pushing that next book, which is coming on March, by the way.
[24:56]It's another historical called two wars and a wedding. And but I wound up pushing that book a full year back because I just I could not do it without regular school and childcare.
[25:08]And so I sort of feel like some some people like to pretend to be superwoman and I think it's very hard for other people to hear that and think, well, I'm not doing this. She's writing books with all these kids around and, you know, has no help.
[25:20]And it's like, no, actually, I have help. I could not do it without help. If I can have help, I wouldn't be writing books.
[25:27]I couldn't do it without being divorced. Like I have all these.
[25:31]I have all the, I mean, seriously, I have at long weekends every other weekend and I get so much done and I catch up and I, you know, if I didn't have these big breaks, there's no way.
[25:42]There's just no way.
[25:43]Honestly, that sounds amazing.
[25:47]No, it's sad. I mean, I would much rather be less productive and have my kids all the time, but this is life. So, what are you going to do?
[25:55]Anyways, perks to everything. And this has been amazing. What advice do you have for aspiring authors?
[26:02]Not to try to get things right. Don't give yourself a right or wrong. Just let yourself play.
[26:07]Sometimes the book that works. Maybe the book you never intended to write books go in directions. You didn't think they would. So just give yourself brace and just put words on a page and see where they go.
[26:19]But don't, don't super edit yourself in the process.
[26:23]Excellent. Lauren, I'm so unbelievably impressed by you. I mean, you are so brilliant and accomplished and articulate and a great writer and you have all the things.
[26:36]It's really inspiring and yet you're humble and it's just amazing. I'm just so excited our paths crossed and I got to hear your story and how the love and fun of writing and this procrastination technique really fuels you and makes you do all these amazing projects. It's awesome.
[26:55]It's really awesome.
[26:57]Feeling as entirely mutual and I feel like you are the queen of juggling multiple projects.
[27:03]I mean, I don't know. That's just how my brain works. I don't know.
[27:06]Maybe I have like short circuits or something, but anyway.
[27:10]Well, congratulations. Lost summaries of Newport. So exciting and so much more to come from you. So I just can't wait to be long for the ride.
[27:19]Thank you.
[27:21]All right. Have a great day.
[27:23]How much fun? Thank you. All right. Bye, Lauren.
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