Sharon Gless, APPARENTLY THERE WERE COMPLAINTS: A Memoir
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[0:41]Sharon Glass is the author of Apparently There Were Complaints, a memoir.
[0:46]Sharon was born into a prominent Hollywood family, and always knew she wanted to be an actress.
[0:51]She was an exclusive contract player for Universal Studios from 1972 until 1982, when
[0:56]the studio ended all talent contracts.
[0:58]She was the last contract player in the history of Hollywood.
[1:01]While at Universal, Glass appeared on series, such as The Rockford Files, Co-Jack, The
[1:06]Bob New Heart Show, and Switch, among others.
[1:08]In 1982, she accepted the role of Cagney and Cagney and Lacey, winning two Emmy Awards
[1:14]and a Golden Globe Award for Best Leading Actress in a Drama Series, followed shortly
[1:18]by a Golden Globe win for her lead role in The Trials of Rosie O'Neill.
[1:23]In 2000, Glass was cast as Debbie Nevatney in Queer as Folk, which ran for five seasons,
[1:29]after which she co-starred for seven seasons, and her Emmy nominated role on Burn Notice.
[1:34]She has 11 Emmy and seven Golden Globe nominations.
[1:37]Glass married Barney Rose and Swag, the executive producer of Cagney and Lacey, in 1991,
[1:42]and they've been together for 30 years.
[1:44]She currently resides both in Los Angeles and on Fisher Island off the coast of Miami,
[1:48]Florida.
[1:49]And we'll talk about your book and your life a little bit, and it'll be painless and
[1:54]fast and fun.
[1:55]How about that?
[1:56]Thank you.
[1:57]Thank you for all you do for us, rest of authors.
[2:01]You're welcome.
[2:02]I didn't enjoy being a writer, but I am a joy in getting an author.
[2:06]Oh, that's funny.
[2:07]Oh.
[2:08]Okay, welcome, Sharon.
[2:09]Thanks for coming on.
[2:10]Tell me, wait, why do you not like being a writer, but you do like being an author?
[2:14]That's interesting.
[2:15]Well, writing was, the skill did not come easily to me, and it took me seven years
[2:21]to do it.
[2:22]Wow.
[2:23]But now that it's over, and I had wonderful publicity, some of the issues, who were very
[2:29]patient with me, they kept throwing out things.
[2:33]But now that it's over, and I get to talk to you, and the response has been so good,
[2:41]it's nice being an author.
[2:42]It's nice that it's done, and the response has been favorable.
[2:46]It's like going to the gym.
[2:47]It's like nice once you've already finished it, right?
[2:49]But maybe you're there.
[2:51]It's not always the most fun.
[2:52]Exactly.
[2:53]Yeah.
[2:54]But what an accomplishment.
[2:55]Thank you.
[2:56]So why spend seven years writing your memoir, apparently there were complaints.
[3:00]Why, what was it inside you that made you want to get your story out there?
[3:04]Well, how I came by it was I was just finishing up a series called The Burn Notice.
[3:11]And it was a seven-year series on USA, and it was about to end, and CBS invited me in
[3:20]for a meeting.
[3:21]I thought, oh, this is cool.
[3:23]OK.
[3:24]So I went in the president of Simon and his US president of CBS held the meeting in her office,
[3:30]and which is, they'd never hold them in their office.
[3:33]They'd like to leave, you know, but the head of comedy, the head of drama, the head of
[3:37]new shows.
[3:39]And I was there for an hour and answering all the appropriate questions, and anyway, trying
[3:45]to entertain them.
[3:46]And at the end of the meeting, oh, the nicest thing was that when I walked in, Nina
[3:53]Chancellor, the president of CBS said, welcome home share.
[3:56]Oh.
[3:57]And I thought that's so cool.
[3:58]Cydney and Lacey was there, and I've done many series on CBS, but not in a long time.
[4:06]And they welcomed me home.
[4:07]I thought, oh, this is going to be so cool, right?
[4:09]I don't want to walk that air with a book, with a series deal.
[4:12]And at the end of the meeting, she said, sharing, you know, we own Simon and his sister.
[4:17]I said, I didn't know that, Nina.
[4:20]And she said, well, we do.
[4:22]And I think you have a book in you.
[4:23]I said, Dina, you know, I'm really, I'm not a writer.
[4:28]And she said, no, but you're a storyteller.
[4:30]So she said, I'm going to have the head of Simon as she's to call you.
[4:34]And that's what happened the next day, head of Simon, she's to contact me.
[4:39]and asked me the next time I was in New York, because I would come and meet with him.
[4:42]And I did.
[4:43]And while I was there, I read one of my chapters to him.
[4:47]And he signed me that day and also signed me to an audio deal because the way I read
[4:53]the one chapter I'd prepared for and made his secretary down the whole lap.
[4:58]So and that's how it started.
[5:00]And for a year, I'd let it go.
[5:01]I didn't, I just really was not interested in doing a book deal, but it was nice.
[5:07]I had it in the back of my pocket.
[5:10]And after a year, I thought, well, I'm not so busy.
[5:12]I didn't get that series I wanted.
[5:15]So I started and it was slow.
[5:20]My husband told me, I'm for my birthdays and I want 30 pages.
[5:24]So I said, all right.
[5:27]So I'd write 30 pages, triple spaced, huge friends, you know.
[5:34]I did the, I gave him that and I had done the chapter.
[5:37]I read to Jonathan Carpet, it's a, it's gotten me seriously.
[5:43]And it was slow going.
[5:45]People kept, it's in my book, but people kept dying in my life.
[5:50]And that would set me back a piece and, but slowly and surely, slowly and surely came
[5:56]alone.
[5:57]I boxes and boxes and boxes and boxes of pages, which I'll never throw away.
[6:02]You know, it was just, it was, the work was hard and eventually impressive.
[6:08]I thought, and so I kept it for my heirs.
[6:12]Wow.
[6:13]The stuff that, the stuff that you'll never see.
[6:15]That's okay.
[6:16]I understand.
[6:17]There has to be some filtering.
[6:19]Not everything is ready for prime time, right?
[6:21]Exactly.
[6:22]Well, Sharon, I was so impressed, particularly by the early sections of your relationship
[6:28]with your grandmother and your body and your eating.
[6:31]The debutant ball and dieting and ratcheting back and forth and sort of your whole self
[6:37]image and self worth and how all of that conspired to, you know, make you who you are.
[6:43]Can you talk a little bit about that and your grandmother and the effect of all of that
[6:49]scrutiny on you?
[6:51]Well, the, I should tell you, the, I came up with the title first and what made it certainly
[6:57]not easy, but the title informed the piece.
[7:02]And there were a lot of complaints about me.
[7:04]And I remember it all, my best friend used to take notes wherever I talked to her.
[7:09]She said, that's a good story.
[7:11]You should wear a book one day and she kept all these notes.
[7:14]So I referred to notes, but the real complaints were deep, deep, deep in my psyche.
[7:19]You know, word, you still, I'm still fat girl, I'm, you know, I'm still trying to use
[7:27]a modulated tone when I scrape you.
[7:29]And I'm, I'm sorry, I'm rattling on I needed to tell you about the title, which informed
[7:33]the book.
[7:34]And it's all about the complaints that I totally understand.
[7:36]I totally understand.
[7:37]To give me you'd ask me.
[7:38]No, no, I was just, I wanted just to hear a little bit more about, I mean, I had a
[7:43]grandmother too, who I loved very dearly and was, you know, even this morning, I was thinking
[7:49]to myself, if she were looking at me today, she would have something to say about what
[7:53]I look like.
[7:55]I think it's time, you know, you better get back to the gym or like, you know, I just,
[8:00]my, my appearance was always on the table to just and picked a part and is was some sort
[8:06]of reflection on her in some way, even though that doesn't make much sense.
[8:10]Perfect sense to me.
[8:12]Where are you from?
[8:13]I'm from New York, but my grandmother's from, she was born in Cincinnati and lived her whole
[8:17]life in Dayton, Ohio.
[8:18]I was in Dayton, Ohio once.
[8:20]Oh yeah.
[8:21]Well, the place in Ohio I've ever been.
[8:23]Yeah.
[8:24]Me too.
[8:25]Basically, I mean, you know, it's not too much there, but anyway, all to say, I related
[8:30]a lot to you and your grandmother and particularly your, your time where you were basically
[8:35]starving yourself for the debutant ball and then what happened after and just having
[8:41]all that focus on you and your body from a young age.
[8:44]Yeah.
[8:45]She locked me up in a house in Carmel.
[8:48]I just graduated from a boarding school and she moved me into her house because the ball
[8:55]was coming up that next December and I remember her saying, I'll be damned if you're
[8:59]going to walk up there looking like Moby Dick, because you know, we all wore white gowns.
[9:05]And so she moved me into her house and she used to make me chew to a metronome and she made
[9:10]me eat with chopsticks as a gobbled my food.
[9:14]She was always something, always something I was doing wrong and yet I know she loved
[9:19]me.
[9:20]You know, it's, I led a, my parents had no money, but my grandparents did and they held
[9:27]the purse strings and I had to dance.
[9:31]I had to dance in me when someone else holds the purse strings and they're running your
[9:36]life in your school and your clothes and everything you do in this particular case to
[9:41]which you were throwing the Debbie's on ball.
[9:44]I had to put myself in her hands.
[9:49]I loved her.
[9:50]I wanted her to love me.
[9:51]I wanted her to be proud of me, but I never quite mustered up, you know, like the other
[9:55]grandchildren, but I seem to have been in favor of it.
[10:00]She took me to task, and she was very strict.
[10:03]But she took 40 pounds off of me.
[10:06]And I think in my book, I tell the moment
[10:08]that I wanted to see me in my gown,
[10:11]which she also played for.
[10:13]I didn't want to just walk out there that evening
[10:15]and have her see me for the first time.
[10:19]I thought she should see me alone.
[10:21]And so I talk about, there was a cocktail party,
[10:24]all the debutants were just so left by themselves
[10:27]and the parents and grandparents were having their cocktail
[10:29]where we were told to stay away.
[10:31]Of course, immediately I went to the room
[10:34]where the parents and grandparents were,
[10:36]where I was not supposed to go.
[10:37]And I knocked on the door and my mean old aunt
[10:42]happened to be the one who answered it.
[10:44]And I said, what do you want?
[10:46]You're not supposed to be here.
[10:46]I said, I want to see my grandmother.
[10:49]And she said, you're not supposed to be here.
[10:50]I said, I want to see my grandmother.
[10:52]It was her mother also.
[10:55]And my grandmother came to the door.
[10:57]And she wasn't angry that I defied the rules.
[10:59]She looked me up and down and just nodded.
[11:02]She looked lovely that will be fine.
[11:04]I was there, you know.
[11:06]I said, oh, thank you for your commitment so much to me.
[11:09]And the next day, she called me.
[11:12]And she said, Sharon, grab me.
[11:15]And a lot of people were commenting me last night
[11:18]on how lovely you looked.
[11:20]And she thought, she said, I think the praise was misplaced.
[11:24]You are the one who did it.
[11:26]And a compliment should go to you.
[11:30]I don't know.
[11:31]She said, oh, for me, thank you so much.
[11:34]And she said, that would be all hung up the phone.
[11:39]She, I make her sound like some over.
[11:44]She wasn't.
[11:44]She was cold and strong and demanding.
[11:49]And when you hold the first strings, Zippy, you have the power.
[11:54]And then soon after this, though, she
[11:57]didn't you end up moving to the La Brea, not the La Brea
[12:01]tone, what was the call?
[12:03]The La Brea Towers.
[12:04]The Brea Towers.
[12:05]Yeah, that was before my parents got divorced
[12:09]while I was in boarding school.
[12:11]And I was raised in my grandmother's home
[12:14]that she had built and raised her children.
[12:17]And after my parents divorced, I was like 15,
[12:20]my grandmother sold the house.
[12:22]So I mean, it sounds like poor little rich girl boo-hoo.
[12:27]And I don't mean it that way.
[12:28]It's just that I'd lost my parents.
[12:31]I was locked up at a convent school.
[12:33]And now I was losing the home that was all I knew.
[12:36]And to my grandmother bought my mom and apartment
[12:39]in the Park La Brea Towers.
[12:41]But I was in boarding school, so I didn't really
[12:44]live there.
[12:44]But when I come home to LA for vacations,
[12:47]I'd have to stay there.
[12:50]And I hated it.
[12:52]You know, I missed my father and missed my older brother.
[12:54]And I guess you could say I was spoiled.
[12:57]But I don't think anybody would ever describe me.
[13:00]Some of the conductive themselves as a spoiled child.
[13:03]I just was used to a certain life and certain people
[13:08]in my life.
[13:09]And it all was gone.
[13:11]I feel like there were always so many limits on you, though.
[13:14]It was never unrestricted.
[13:16]It's like you can be in the house, but you can't be over here.
[13:19]You can be in my grandmother's house?
[13:21]Yes.
[13:21]We were moved into my grandmother's house
[13:23]when I guess I was two.
[13:25]And yes, there were off-limit parts of the house.
[13:29]Her quarters, I'm called to her quarters.
[13:32]We were never allowed in.
[13:33]There was half the house.
[13:35]And we weren't allowed in the formal living room.
[13:37]We weren't allowed in her formal bedroom.
[13:40]But we had a swimming pool, beautiful swimming pool,
[13:43]and the old days when they were those big, long,
[13:45]wet tango things without heaters and filters.
[13:48]And we had a badminton course.
[13:50]And we had a tetherball cord.
[13:52]And we had really swell things.
[13:54]And we were hardly deprived.
[13:56]But there were certain places that were off of them.
[13:58]But when my grandmother was gone out of town,
[14:00]which was most of the time, I was sneaking into her bedroom.
[14:04]And I feel the felt, her walls were gray felt.
[14:09]And I just ran my hands up and down the walls.
[14:13]And look at all her perfumes and things
[14:15]on this mirror, long, long mirror makeup table
[14:20]went from one side of the room to the other.
[14:23]And she had sat in sheets.
[14:27]And once I stripped down naked and crawled in just
[14:30]to see what that felt like, it was so exciting.
[14:34]This probably all sounds very soft and more to you.
[14:37]But I was not at all.
[14:38]I love it.
[14:39]You know, it was another time.
[14:41]And it was for Bidden, you know?
[14:45]Which made it even more exciting.
[14:47]Yes.
[14:48]So after this childhood going through your whole life,
[14:52]you had this obviously super successful actress,
[14:56]career, everything, so much happened, so much drama.
[14:59]And here we are now today.
[15:02]How do you feel now reflecting back on all of this
[15:05]about even something as simple or not simple
[15:09]as how you feel in your body and how the world sees you
[15:13]and your weight and image and all of that?
[15:16]I don't think I ever got comfortable with my body.
[15:20]I'm half Irish, a quarter-bask,
[15:23]a wrench-bask, she purters, and a quarter-English.
[15:28]And I have a zoptic body on me.
[15:31]There was an era during the end of the series
[15:33]called The Trials of Rosie Unile, which I've been watching lately.
[15:36]And I has been developed for a minute, ran two years.
[15:39]I was so thin.
[15:41]And sometimes I just put it on just to see my God,
[15:45]what I was capable of, you know?
[15:48]But most of my life, it's how I look now.
[15:52]Even as Christine Cagney, I was young enough
[15:55]where my body was good to me.
[15:58]You know, I could eat and drink and didn't pay the price.
[16:03]But as I got older, as I say,
[16:06]I was a decent boarding school.
[16:08]And then after my 30s, into my 40s,
[16:12]I gave up smoking and I got fat again.
[16:14]40s, 50s, I got fat again.
[16:17]And I went on to do a series called Queerous Folk.
[16:20]And I wrote the, I went after it.
[16:22]I wanted the role, but I was 200 pounds now by that.
[16:25]And, you know, it's okay for everybody but the blonde.
[16:31]It'd be heavy.
[16:32]I swear to God, you know?
[16:35]But anyway, I called the producers from Queerous Folk
[16:39]because I wanted the show.
[16:40]And so time gave it to me.
[16:43]And they said, would you buy meeting the producers
[16:46]before we go ahead?
[16:47]We don't want to just run rough shot over them.
[16:49]I said, not at all.
[16:50]So they flew me out.
[16:51]And I got on the phone and I said to the producers,
[16:54]before I got on a plane, I said,
[16:55]do you know what I look like?
[16:57]They said, yes, we do.
[16:58]We saw you in time, daily, doing AIDS benefit.
[17:00]And I said, okay, as long as you understand.
[17:03]And when they met me, they said, Sharon, it's not your body
[17:06]that we want.
[17:08]I know this is a shock to you, the blonde,
[17:11]but it's your heart when you want to this role.
[17:14]Hmm.
[17:15]I said, okay, sign in, coach.
[17:18]And my weight would go up and down during Queerous Folk.
[17:21]And these guys were so loving the producers,
[17:25]Ron Cowan and Dan Lippman, that they would have my character.
[17:30]If I was really losing weight, they had me eating
[17:33]a little piece of chicken at my kitchen table,
[17:35]with a little bit of spinach, the character, right?
[17:39]If they saw that I was putting on my weight,
[17:41]they just had me eat ice cream out of a container.
[17:44]So they never scolded me.
[17:46]They just accommodated Debbie was my character's name.
[17:50]Just accommodate Debbie's eating habits.
[17:52]Whatever size I was, they just put the appropriate food in me
[17:56]in front of me.
[17:57]And I do scenes like that.
[17:58]Oh my gosh, I love it.
[17:59]I know.
[18:01]So in that particular case, they weren't complaints.
[18:04]They just explained it on film with whatever was,
[18:07]I was shoveling into my mouth.
[18:10]Now, I take that as a compliment as my booties and actress,
[18:16]that they accommodate stuff like that with me.
[18:18]That's amazing.
[18:19]Because they wanted something else.
[18:20]They wanted the heart.
[18:22]What is your next actress acting project?
[18:26]I don't know.
[18:27]After I did that show, I did have eight years on burn notice
[18:33]by show and Miami.
[18:35]And then after that ended, I started this book.
[18:37]But I've not been working since I started this book.
[18:41]And I'm ready to go back.
[18:43]Somebody did, let me know from talking too much.
[18:46]This is the whole point is to hear your talk.
[18:49]Somebody did some research on me.
[18:51]And they said, Sharon, do you know
[18:53]that you have more series on television
[18:57]than any other actress in the history of the medium?
[19:00]Wow.
[19:01]I said, no, they've said,
[19:03]you and Chorus Leachman have done nine hit series.
[19:06]I said, I didn't know that.
[19:08]Because where you have, Chorus has gone now,
[19:11]Betty White has done 10.
[19:14]I said, well, then I'll just have to join Betty.
[19:18]I'll do 10, meet Betty and now Betty's gone.
[19:22]But I still want to match Betty on the kids.
[19:24]So I have one more in me.
[19:26]Okay. One more good one.
[19:28]So you don't want to just like kick back and retire?
[19:30]No. Oh my God, no.
[19:33]I love, I love acting.
[19:37]I've been very blessed, very, very blessed in this business.
[19:41]And I have one more.
[19:44]I mean, I don't know what else to do.
[19:46]I don't have children, you know?
[19:50]And that was deliberate.
[19:51]First of all, I think having children is the most awesome,
[19:55]the most daunting job.
[19:59]I say, oh.
[20:00]woman that a parent could take on, to form another human being.
[20:04]I knew I probably wouldn't be the best at it.
[20:08]I had a fabulous mother, fabulous mother.
[20:12]And, but that's what she was, she was a mom.
[20:14]And her, her whole life was us.
[20:17]You're through the chicks, she's called the little chicks.
[20:21]And I don't believe I could have done my professional job well
[20:25]and also have raised a child properly.
[20:28]I'm sure I would have been one of these mothers who said,
[20:29]I know this is going to put you in therapy for 20 years.
[20:33]I know you may not.
[20:38]I mean, everyone ends up in therapy anyway, no matter who you parents are.
[20:41]It's great that I didn't matter how good you are.
[20:44]Yeah, it's true.
[20:46]But I do think it's a daunting job and a very responsible job.
[20:51]And it wasn't, I'd rather take care of myself and my work
[20:57]and be honest to that.
[20:59]Well, that's, I mean, better to know it and act on it than try to enforce it.
[21:04]I did, I, when I was a teenager, you know, I wanted to please my grandmother.
[21:08]So I said, well, I'm going to marry an attorney also, right?
[21:13]I'm an American attorney and I have beautiful children, much more beautiful
[21:17]babes than I am.
[21:19]My turn, I just, it was all about wanting to please her.
[21:24]And she didn't live long enough to see me become an actress.
[21:28]I have a little story that you might enjoy.
[21:31]Please, my grandma, this was not that long ago.
[21:35]I was at a psychic, a woman who actually is a medium.
[21:38]And she is very good at talking to those who've gone before us.
[21:44]And she can tell me what did their voices in it.
[21:47]And I said, may I ask you something, Julie?
[21:49]She said, certainly I said, can you conjure my grandmother?
[21:52]She said, let me see.
[21:54]I said, well, she's what do you want to know?
[21:56]I said, I want to know if she's proud of me now.
[21:58]I know I have many awards I've made considerable about money.
[22:04]I don't have to ask for anything from anybody.
[22:07]And I've made a success in my industry.
[22:10]Is she proud of me now?
[22:12]And the medium, you know, went down for a bit and came up.
[22:16]And she said, she said, she said, to tell you, Sharon,
[22:18]she's proud of you still, that's the best.
[22:22]And I know that's what she would have said.
[22:25]I didn't imagine it at the time,
[22:26]but as soon as I heard it, of course, she was always proud of me.
[22:30]The fact that she was hard on me doesn't mean she was a proud of me.
[22:34]I love that.
[22:35]That's very touching.
[22:37]Isn't that good?
[22:38]I knew you'd like that.
[22:39]I don't even know you, but I'm looking at your face.
[22:42]You are right.
[22:43]I did like that.
[22:44]You knew I would, and I did.
[22:46]I have also completely started believing in mediums,
[22:48]by the way, after a few things that mediums have said about
[22:51]people who have passed.
[22:52]I used to be very skeptical, but no longer.
[22:54]I think it's an amazing resource.
[22:57]If they're good, yeah, it is.
[22:59]Well, that's really wonderful.
[23:01]I mean, I think love is super, I mean,
[23:03]the sounds ridiculous to say, but love is very good.
[23:06]Love is complicated, right?
[23:09]The people who love us are sometimes flawed.
[23:12]And yet, if they love us, like the sometimes that's only
[23:15]all we can take away, that they maybe they didn't do their job,
[23:19]the way we would have necessarily wanted or showed it in the ways
[23:21]that we would have needed on certain days or times.
[23:23]But, you know, people have their own limits,
[23:26]and this is what they can give.
[23:27]And then we have to live through life knowing all that.
[23:32]So.
[23:33]Right.
[23:34]I would never, like, I'm very, I was ever abused.
[23:37]I may have been emotionally abused a little by her,
[23:39]because she was tough, or she didn't.
[23:42]She didn't cover me in velvet, you know,
[23:45]and it's kind to give me your opinion.
[23:48]She was rough.
[23:49]Yeah.
[23:50]But I think my mother was a very
[23:53]gentle, gentle soul, her daughter totally different.
[23:57]My father was a bit of a scoundrel,
[23:59]and hysterically funny.
[24:02]And that's where I got my humor.
[24:03]I really am right to hear, like, my life,
[24:06]so you go, ooh, but I've really been blessed.
[24:09]I'm still standing.
[24:10]I don't think ooh at all.
[24:12]I don't think anyone reading the book,
[24:13]thinks ooh, that's why it's been popular.
[24:15]You know, it's a journey of a very interesting, unique life.
[24:20]And it shows a whole time period passing by
[24:24]through your lens.
[24:25]It's fascinating.
[24:26]I think it's fascinating.
[24:27]And, you know, the reader can't help,
[24:30]but really root for you.
[24:31]So, I don't know.
[24:32]I thought it was great.
[24:33]Well, you're a very complex gentleman, and I think
[24:36]that is a great compliment coming from you.
[24:39]Thank you.
[24:39]That's nice to be with you.
[24:40]Thank you.
[24:41]Really.
[24:42]Thank you.
[24:43]Thank you.
[24:44]Well, Sharon, last question for you.
[24:46]Do you have any advice for someone
[24:48]who is trying to write a book?
[24:50]Having just survived this whole thing?
[24:53]You have to keep doing it because you want to stop.
[24:56]You get help, get advice from people.
[24:58]Talking to have somebody record you.
[25:01]Have somebody suggested once.
[25:03]I did do it, but I think it's a great idea.
[25:06]Have your friends over one night,
[25:09]and have them ask you questions,
[25:10]and put a record in there.
[25:12]And you just start talking, because information's
[25:16]going to come up, that if you sit all by yourself
[25:20]and just try to tell these stories, you're going to miss stuff.
[25:26]Get yourself on tape.
[25:27]Have somebody help you go through the tape.
[25:31]Find the good stories.
[25:33]I was informed by that title, which made it certainly not easy.
[25:38]But the title was apparently there were complaints.
[25:40]So that's where my attention went.
[25:42]No, generally, what you want to write about.
[25:46]You may change your mind many times.
[25:49]I'd say if somebody's writing an autobiography
[25:52]or you're saying, or are they writing a mystery novel,
[25:54]because I don't know how to talk about that.
[25:55]No, no, that was great advice.
[25:56]I love that biography.
[25:59]I think you just have to keep telling the stories,
[26:02]tell it on tape, tell it to your friends.
[26:06]Get it out there and start listening.
[26:08]You just start to hear the bore, the boreings up, boy.
[26:12]That almost put me to sleep.
[26:15]And you'll hear things that remind you about other things
[26:18]in write and ask your friends what they want to know.
[26:21]I knew by my own title that it was about all the complaints
[26:26]about me.
[26:27]But it's not easy.
[26:30]You never do it alone.
[26:31]You have friends, you have friends who say that suck,
[26:35]or you talk to them.
[26:37]You talk to the machine, you talk.
[26:39]And you may need to get somebody to move.
[26:42]The subject matters, you know, into the right place.
[26:45]But it's important that it's your words.
[26:47]It's very much my voice.
[26:50]And that was important, because people who know me
[26:53]know how I talk.
[26:55]I even had Simon issues to once say,
[26:57]you know, you're cleaning this up a bit.
[26:59]You have a mouth on you.
[27:02]We'd like a little more of that.
[27:03]And I swear to God, they wanted to work more swearing
[27:06]and more bombs in my book.
[27:09]I said, really?
[27:09]No, it's ever told me that.
[27:11]I was saying, Sharon, watch your mouth.
[27:14]Wow.
[27:15]I love that.
[27:17]Sharon, thank you so much.
[27:19]This is such a joy.
[27:21]Thank you.
[27:22]I have so many wonderful things about you.
[27:24]And I hope I get a chance to talk to you again.
[27:29]I would love that.
[27:30]I would love that.
[27:31]I've done over 500 hours of television.
[27:34]Wow.
[27:35]Amazing.
[27:36]Yeah.
[27:37]OK.
[27:39]Very, very blessed in what a treat to be on your show.
[27:43]Thank you.
[27:43]What a treat to have you.
[27:44]I appreciate it.
[27:46]OK.
[27:46]Congratulations on all you do for all of us.
[27:49]Thank you.
[27:50]You too.
[27:52]I've researched.
[27:53]I see that.
[27:54]I am so flattered, really.
[27:56]Made my day.
[27:57]Bye.
[27:58]Thank you.
[27:59]Nice to meet you.
[27:59]Bye.
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