Saraciea J. Fennell with Zakiya Jamal and Cristina Arreola, WILD TONGUES CAN'T BE TAMED: 15 Voices from the Latinx Diaspora
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[1:06]Seracia, Phanelle, Enzakia, Jamal, and Christina Ariola are contributors to wild tongues can't be tamed.
[1:14]15 voices from the Latin X diaspora.
[1:16]Seracia, who is the editor of this collection, is a black Honduran writer and the founder of the Bronx' reading.
[1:22]She is also a book publicist who has worked with many award-winning and New York Times bestselling authors.
[1:27]She sits on the board for Latin X and publishing as well as on the advisory board of people of color and publishing.
[1:32]She lives in the Bronx with her family and dog Oreo.
[1:35]Seracia, Jamal, was born in Queens, raised in Long Island and currently resides in Brooklyn.
[1:40]In other words, she's a New Yorker through and through.
[1:42]She holds a BA in English from Georgetown University and an MFA in Creative Writing with a concentration in writing for children and young adults from the new school.
[1:50]She currently works in Scholastic as the senior manager of social media and has been published in Romper Buzzfeed.
[1:56]People.com thought catalog and more.
[1:58]Her nonfiction essay about her Cuban imposter syndrome is published in this anthology.
[2:03]You can find her on Twitter at Zakia and Jamal.
[2:06]Christina Ariola is a reader, writer, and editor based in New York City.
[2:10]She's currently writing, working in books marketing, but still loves to recommend books on Instagram and Twitter.
[2:16]From March 2016 to November 2019, she was the senior books editor at Buzzal, and she ideated a signed and edited thousands of interviews, cover reveals, excerpts, reported features, essays, and more.
[2:28]During that time, she served as a judge for the 2019 Penn America Open Book Award.
[2:32]In fall 2021, an essay of hers appeared in this anthology.
[2:36]Welcome, everybody to mom's turn-up time to read books.
[2:39]I'm so excited to be with all three of you here today to discuss wild tongues, can't be tamed, which is edited by Sirecia film.
[2:48]So welcome.
[2:49]Hi. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here today.
[2:53]Yay.
[2:54]Okay, so three different amazing women here who wrote three phenomenal pieces and Sirecia also orchestrated this entire collection.
[3:03]Sirecia, why don't you start and talk about not only why you decided to bring all these essays together, but also what your essays about and how you brought in all these lovely ladies.
[3:14]Yeah, absolutely.
[3:15]The idea for this collection came together during the time of the 2016 election, where there were just lots of commentary about what the Latinx community, also the black community, and just so many various other communities.
[3:30]And it just seemed like there were so many stereotypes and myths that were constantly being petuated.
[3:37]And so that was sort of the starting point for me, but really my entire life, I feel like I haven't seen the representation across the diaspora.
[3:48]There's always one type of Latino or Latino or Latinx person that is in the forefront, and they never look like me. They never sound like me. They never come from a place that I come from.
[4:00]They're usually not Central American. And so I started to think, you know, who can I pull together to sort of tackle some of these myths and stereotypes to subvert them.
[4:12]But who are also the voices that, you know, aren't traditionally published, but that I know personally like these two wonderful ladies here who have very specific experiences that I feel like lots of other people, you know, adults and teens have as well where we, you know, grew up not really necessarily feeling as connected as, you know, other people to their specific Latinx heritage.
[4:38]And so I'm a blockhen during and my essay and while tons can't be taped is called half in half out orbiting a world full of people of color.
[4:47]And that title for me is very specific because I grew up, I was born in Brooklyn, I grew up in the projects there and it was a very diverse neighborhood for me.
[4:59]and all of the people that were already around me were people of color. And so, you know, wasn't until I ended up in foster care and I was placed in an affluent, you know, white families home that I really noticed like, oh, there's, there's a larger world outside of my people of color bubble.
[5:18]And, you know, living with with that wonderful couple really started to raise lots of questions right like I was going to a school where it was predominantly white students and so of course, questions on the on the playground or like where are you from, why is your hair like that or why do you talk like that and so it's just all these various different things that were being thrown at me.
[5:41]It sort of got me to, you know, ask questions and figure out where do I come from. And so that was my, you know, first experience with figuring out that I was different from other people in the world once I was, you know, removed from my environment.
[5:55]And I landed in the Bronx, which is, you know, one of the most diverse boroughs in New York City and is very largely immigrant Hispanic Latinx based and folks just automatically assume like where are you from.
[6:10]And you know, my cousin is is Puerto Rican and Honduran. And at the time she answered for me, she was like, she's the same thing as me, Puerto Rican and Honduran. And so for the longest time, I went around telling people that.
[6:23]You know, my mom's like, actually you're not Puerto Rican like her dad was Puerto Rican. So you're actually not Puerto Rican, but you're wondering your black and like here are all the things. And so I started to ask all these wonderful questions and really start to feel more connected to my culture and my family.
[6:41]And now I find myself still asking questions about certain traditions or like certain food, certain practices. So it's a really a life, a life learning experience for me. It didn't just, you know, stop.
[6:54]And when I became an adult, like I'm still constantly asking questions. And I think for me, you know, I wish that there was an anthology out like this when I was growing up, something that I could turn to and read.
[7:07]You know, all times can't be tamed where it's like, okay, here's an essay about mental health in the Latinx community. Here's an essay about alcoholism in the in the community. Here's an essay about, you know, suicide ideation. Here's an essay about not feeling, you know, Latinx enough, you know, here's an essay about, you know, claiming Latinidad, but not being able to speak Spanish. I mean, there's literally everything in this collection.
[7:36]And that was sort of intentional because we even though, you know, people lump us together and will put us into the same bracket, we each have so many different experiences.
[7:47]And so I thought it was really important to showcase that, you know, like Christina is from Texas and and has like, you know, wonderful, you know, rich connection with ghosts, which I'll let her speak about, but then like, leaving home and going somewhere else.
[8:04]And, you know, trying to navigate and figure that out. It's almost a parallel to what I went through, even though I was still in New York City. It's like leaving Brooklyn and leaving my bubble and then going into, you know, this white family's home and then going into the Bronx and being in this different environment where we're constantly seeing things reflected back at us about our culture or about the community.
[8:28]And then we're questioning like where do I fit in in there, like, you know, where's my experience. I don't see anyone who looks like me or who sounds like me or, you know, I'm not doing enough because I don't know all of the traditions and all of the practices.
[8:46]You know, it's just various questions that I had for myself, but as I find the answers I'm trying to record those things so that I can pass them down to my son and, you know, any future kids that I have and other family members so that we know where, you know, our history comes from so we can define who we are.
[9:05]What parts of, you know, the Latinx culture we want to keep in the parts of all we want to change, right, because there are lots of things in the community that don't, you know, don't sit right with me, the fact that like we don't talk about certain things, you know, like queerness or, you know, mental health, like there are all of these things that's very taboo that we can't talk about in the community.
[9:27]But I want to break those stereotypes. I want to break those myths and I want people to know that it's okay. Sometimes it's okay for you to go up against, you know, the age of family family way, right.
[9:40]Like we don't have to keep those secrets. We don't have to feel shame if we want to seek therapy and something other than what is traditionally pushed at us, right.
[9:50]Wow. So much to say in response to that. First being your essay and the image of you like sitting on the edge of that couch like.
[10:00]what were you doing like biting your nails or your skin or there's some like repetitive gesture
[10:04]you were making waiting for your mom to call and the call is getting farther and farther apart
[10:09]and feeling like you've been kind of like set a drift in this family and latching onto the one
[10:13]friend who you finally found a connection with and then being upgraded again I mean oh my gosh I was
[10:19]just like it's amazing how much books in general people's stories can make you feel and that essay
[10:25]just I just so felt it I was just so there with you and you lived through a lot of stuff
[10:30]and it's just amazing the whole thing it was really fantastic but so I wanted to say that
[10:35]and per your point on diverse perspectives and queerness like the essay by Mark Oshiro by the way
[10:41]was amazing and I've started this habit which is maybe this is I shouldn't even admit this but
[10:48]I read the books I'm reading now out loud to my kids because they inevitably fall asleep
[10:53]but they got really into these essays which is the problem so then they weren't falling asleep
[11:00]so anyway because it was like you know there's a seven-year-old kid and my daughter's like
[11:05]just turn eight and she's like oh now he's eight now he's nine anyway so but I loved his perspective
[11:11]and you know coming into his own and you know his identity in so many ways and oh my gosh beautiful
[11:17]so absolutely yeah that's a fantastic piece okay so you guys have been quiet and you know
[11:24]patiently waiting your turn here I feel terrible okay so Kia your essay was also amazing okay tell
[11:30]everybody about you and your essay and everything else yeah so I'm Afro Cuban my grandma is from
[11:37]Cuba so once we see it act me if I want to be in the anthology I was like yes of course so
[11:44]the essay at first row was really about my grandma and like her joining here and grown up in Cuban
[11:52]and moving here and I love that essay because I got to really sit down with her and talk about her
[11:57]experience and I learned a lot about her history but Sreecea being the great editor that she is was
[12:03]like this is great but this is not you like this isn't your voice this isn't like your story
[12:09]totally appreciated because I think and even her saying that's me like I had to sit with that
[12:15]and I was like you know why did I feel like I couldn't tell my own story for this essay like I felt like
[12:22]you know my grandma had a more authentic story because she was like actually thank you but like
[12:26]she speaks Spanish so I'll tell that story but I was like really scared to kind of write my own
[12:31]because like I was like you know people obviously don't look at me or look at my name like think I'm
[12:38]Cuban and so it's like do I have really the kind of story that people are going to want to read
[12:44]in this like Latinx and Bologie that's all about people at next and so from that idea of like
[12:50]just feeling like I wasn't enough I started writing my essay which is called Cuban and Pasta
[12:55]Syndrome and it's really about how I've struggled with this idea of not being Cuban enough
[13:02]so kind of starts with me being in high school and there's a guy in my school who's Cuban
[13:08]and like he's kind of shocked when I say I'm Cuban and like that's an experience I've had throughout
[13:13]my life but really also coming into my own and figuring out what being Cuban means to me
[13:19]so yeah I was very hard to write but like I said I think Felicia Ricea is a great editor
[13:24]where she pushed me through and I'm really happy with it and I think this is really the story that
[13:28]I needed to tell. I feel like this is just the beginning right you I feel like we have a whole book
[13:32]in you and three second you get on that these should all be on the books. Yes yeah yeah yeah so
[13:38]Dylan telling people pull more pull more exactly exactly yeah you know the image of you like on the
[13:45]school yard feeling completely unaccepted by someone who shared part of your heritage it was so I
[13:52]mean all these things they're so hurtful and alienating and how you even felt sort of
[13:57]associated from your name and how your name and you bring your last name and how you're how the
[14:02]all of that came to be it was really I mean it's all just very powerful and the way you write is
[14:07]truly beautiful so you know we just finished watching not to keep telling my kids but we just
[14:12]finished watching Vivo have you seen this movie Vivo by Lin-Manuel? Yes yes I have and one of the main
[14:19]characters is from the Bronx the girl I forgot her name but the actress is from the Bronx I was
[14:24]very excited about it anyway continue it's possible Nicole buyers from the Bronx I don't know I don't
[14:31]know but it was written well actually it was written by Kiara Legria who also wrote a really great
[14:37]book about being you know her Latinx heritage so anyway for your next anthology you should tap into
[14:42]her but all to say this whole story takes place in Cuba but they call it Cuba so I when I was reading
[14:50]my kids' story I was like I have a whole story for you about Cuba and so they were very excited
[14:55]about that too so anyway it's been all very timely you should definitely go watch Vivo it has some
[14:59]great songs and you know really captures how amazing a place and you know the culture and the
[15:05]vibrant colors and all of it you know as only an animated show can do I guess yeah okay so Christina
[15:13]yeah so I'm Christina I'm Mexican-American and I knew when Theresa approached me about writing an
[15:20]essay that I wanted to write about two things and you know I wanted to write about El Paso because it's
[15:25]just such an incredible mystical mystifying place and I just never see it reflected in literature
[15:35]or just very very infrequently especially from people who actually are from there and were raised
[15:41]and I knew I wanted to write about ghosts and so the essay started very different than how it ended up
[15:48]it is similar experience where I recently really pushed me to go deeper and to really search for
[15:56]for those really tough emotions at the center of the story and our phenomenal flat iron editors
[16:04]Caroline and Sarah also were just so instrumental in pushing me to get to this place and the essay is
[16:11]not a lot of things it's about being Latina it's about grief it's about ghosts and a lot of it is
[16:18]about how you know through my grief over losing my mother I sort of came to a better understanding
[16:24]of who I was and I think a lot of that had to do with me you know coming to an understanding about
[16:30]you know my identity and my cultural place in the world and finding that community and so you
[16:37]know it's always tough when you sort of have these like big miraculous life moments because of
[16:41]something really terrible happening but I always like to think of you know I'm a big Cheryl straight
[16:46]fan and show us as that your sorrow is your superpower and I think that that is something that has
[16:52]really been true in my life and I really wanted to reflect that in a way that felt true to who I am
[17:00]and where I come from and I know that the ghosts it's sort of like a it's not something that everyone
[17:06]gets and I just grew up believing in ghosts like that was just like it wasn't like a super natural
[17:12]thing it was just a thing like my we were always talking about ghosts my dad was always talking
[17:17]about you know seeing ghosts and you're trying to you know kind of erase that fear from the
[17:23]experience and I think part of me coming to terms of my Latina identity was also coming to terms
[17:30]letting go of that fear and sort of just embracing the unknown embracing things that are messy
[17:36]embracing ambiguity and so that's sort of what I was trying to get at my essay I feel like there's
[17:43]a lot more than I could say there but well I mean I feel like anyone who's had experience with
[17:49]a medium can like attest there's like almost I mean well I shouldn't say that I was going to say
[17:54]it's undeniable that there's something else out there but I'm not going to say that I'm just going
[17:58]to say I'm not surprised and I was very like hanging on every word because I do feel some
[18:03]people have this gift right of this connection that the rest of us don't necessarily have
[18:08]and it's really magical and I totally believe it if you know I believe that you believe it you
[18:14]know I believe it happens to you so reading about it was really interesting and for Sheryl
[18:18]Straits quote another author I had on quoted someone else who now I can't remember who that is
[18:23]but the saying is God never wastes a pain which I love because it's like gives everything sort of
[18:28]the sense of purpose religion notwithstanding right just like the idea of it that there's
[18:32]there was a reason somehow like there you're not going to waste it or you're going to turn into
[18:36]something beautiful or are you don't have to or whatever but you know there was some sort of
[18:42]logic to it which I don't know I find comforting when it seems completely the opposite of us
[18:46]the time but wow so did all of you know did any of the authors know each other or did you
[18:52]were you like the party planner extraordinaire here so you said did you introduce everybody or
[18:58]is it mostly an email or I feel like you're establishing this whole community now yeah so you know
[19:04]prevent that I figured it would be really cool that I could probably meet up with some people
[19:08]and chat through things but of course we were all writing through pulpit which was a very very
[19:14]challenging time and so you know I'm just so I just want to commend all of the contributors
[19:20]for even having the mental capacity to you know dig into for some of them it was dramatic right
[19:26]so to dig into some traumatic memories to write about them on paper during a global pandemic you
[19:33]know I'm just floored that we were even able to finish you know the anthology and like really
[19:40]bring the collection together and so I personally had actually met every single writer at least
[19:47]once except for Jasmine Mendez so I've never met her in person but you know she came highly
[19:53]recommended by Angie Cruz I was already following her on social media the flat iron
[20:00]areas were also really big fans of her work.
[20:03]And I just, I read some of her other essays
[20:05]and I was just like, she's, she's perfect, you know?
[20:08]And so everyone else I have definitely had a connection
[20:11]with and just felt like they're the right person
[20:14]to write this particular thing.
[20:17]And so my process was to sort of, you know,
[20:20]give each of the contributors the same parameters,
[20:23]you know, I wanna talk about this.
[20:25]I wanna talk about stereotypes.
[20:26]I want us to talk about, you know,
[20:28]colorism, anti-blackness, whatever it is in the community.
[20:32]I want us to talk about it.
[20:33]I don't want you to fight your tongue.
[20:34]I want you to tell your truth.
[20:36]And so they, they each were able to come up
[20:39]with their own pitches, right?
[20:41]To sort of figure out what they wanted to write.
[20:44]And then I met with folks either virtually
[20:47]or we communicated through email.
[20:49]Just to talk about like which one I felt really moved me
[20:53]and felt like it would, it would be in conversation
[20:55]with some of the other essays in the anthology.
[20:58]And then like Zakiya and Christina said, you know,
[21:00]having that back and forth to say like,
[21:02]okay, this, this is wonderful,
[21:04]but I think you gotta make it a little bit more personal.
[21:06]So I need you to dig a little bit deeper
[21:08]because I think what's really special
[21:10]about this collection is these are lived experiences.
[21:15]It's not fictional stories.
[21:17]And you know, there's nothing right now out there
[21:20]for young people that particularly is tackling something
[21:24]in this way.
[21:25]We have a ton of fictional stories.
[21:27]And I love fiction, but there's just something
[21:30]about knowing like, oh, this is memoir.
[21:33]Like there's an actual Afro Cuban in the world
[21:37]who experienced this thing that I am currently experiencing
[21:41]or, you know, here's someone from El Paso
[21:44]who also has a connection to ghosts.
[21:46]And so I don't feel like I have to have shame
[21:49]in hiding that or feeling other by it.
[21:51]Instead, you know, Christina have the courage to embrace it.
[21:55]I can find the courage to embrace it.
[21:56]It's just a different connection, I think,
[21:59]when it's nonfiction.
[22:01]And so I deeply encourage all of the writers
[22:03]to make sure that it was personal to them
[22:06]because, you know, it's what we were all hoping for
[22:10]when we were younger, to see these experiences
[22:13]so that we know like, okay, I am, you know,
[22:17]enough to adjust the way I am,
[22:19]whether I speak Spanish or Portuguese or I don't,
[22:22]you know, I think about Natasha Diaz's poem
[22:25]and just how most people from Brazil are,
[22:29]you know, really sexualized or like, you know,
[22:34]are told they're sassy.
[22:35]And sassiness is also like, you know, a lot next
[22:38]is their real type as well.
[22:40]They're like, oh, you're sassy.
[22:41]I'm like, we may joke in the community.
[22:43]Like, yeah, I'm sassy, I'm fierce.
[22:45]But, you know, it can be dangerous
[22:47]when other people outside of the community
[22:49]are classifying us with these turns and identifiers.
[22:53]And so her poem, I was just like, yes, like let them know,
[22:56]you know, like, don't call me exotic, don't call me this.
[23:01]It was just so deeply personal.
[23:03]And I think that was really special for me
[23:05]because I got to sort of take a peek into everyone's life
[23:10]and to learn a little bit more about their own experiences.
[23:13]And in a way, it sort of validated my own, you know,
[23:16]with my own struggles of feeling like I said,
[23:20]I'm orbiting a world full of people of color,
[23:22]but I can still feel disconnected sometimes.
[23:25]And so reading and editing these wonderful essays
[23:29]just kind of made me feel like my place in the world
[23:32]was a little more cemented.
[23:34]And that's exactly what I want other people to feel
[23:37]when they read this book.
[23:38]And, you know, even if you're not from the community,
[23:41]I want them to think, like you said,
[23:42]you were reading to your children
[23:44]and they were like, oh, wait, you know,
[23:46]like, you know, Martha Shira have this experience at eight
[23:49]or nine.
[23:50]And so I want, that's great.
[23:51]Like, I want them to think about those things
[23:53]because they're living that right now, you know,
[23:56]I'm sure they're going to school
[23:58]and or they have friends that are asking them,
[24:00]well, why are you wearing your hair that way?
[24:02]Or why did you want, you know, make this for lunch?
[24:04]And like, these things just come up
[24:06]and it's just so wonderful when we can arm young people
[24:10]with the tools to answer these things.
[24:13]So they're not dumbfounded, like me where I'm like,
[24:17]I don't know, what am I, like, where am I from?
[24:20]I don't know.
[24:21]I'm like waiting for my cousin to answer it
[24:23]and then looking to her because she had,
[24:25]she just seemed to have all the answers for me.
[24:27]I was like, I'm pretty mad.
[24:28]She's saying on this and that's what I am.
[24:30]She's right.
[24:31]And so, you know, I hope that people read this
[24:35]and they start to like really come into embrace who they are.
[24:39]And to also know that like, it's okay for me
[24:43]to feel disconnected.
[24:45]It's okay for you to still be figuring it out.
[24:49]I'm still figuring it out, you know?
[24:52]So yeah.
[24:53]Well, I think what you said out to do,
[24:54]you've totally accomplished.
[24:56]I am a huge essay lover
[24:58]and I actually produced two of my own anthologies
[25:00]also during COVID and this one is like coming out
[25:03]sued moms and have time to have kids.
[25:05]And, you know, it's about experience,
[25:07]this is more about like time starved, busy people,
[25:10]whatever, lots of different.
[25:12]It's not about identity so much as what's on our plates,
[25:14]right?
[25:15]Because there's lots of different identities represented
[25:17]in the book and in the first book.
[25:18]But that idea of like bringing together different people's
[25:21]experiences around a certain theme,
[25:23]I think is super important as we all sort of struggle
[25:26]with how to make our way through the world.
[25:28]And there's sort of nothing more powerful.
[25:30]I mean, you can take, you know,
[25:32]you could say something about the Latinx community
[25:34]in general, but when you get an inside peak
[25:37]into the lives of a few people,
[25:40]it changes everything, right?
[25:41]There is no descriptor that could possibly even try
[25:45]to describe an entire community of any kind, right?
[25:50]And so anyway, and as you were talking,
[25:52]I was thinking to myself, it would be so neat.
[25:54]If I could get like all the contributors
[25:56]for my two anthologies, which,
[25:58]and then all of your contributors
[26:00]and then like I interviewed Gloria Edem
[26:02]and she wrote Well-Red Black Girl
[26:03]and she had all her contributors
[26:05]and I've had like two other anthology authors
[26:07]that I could think of.
[26:08]Anyway, I feel like we need to have an anthology party
[26:11]where we have everybody in it.
[26:13]I love that talk.
[26:14]Right? Because everybody's stories are so interesting
[26:17]and they're all right out there.
[26:18]And we're just, everybody just connects on this level
[26:22]that's so much more important
[26:23]than everything else when you hear their story.
[26:25]I think, I mean.
[26:27]Absolutely, yeah, I would love that.
[26:29]Please let's do it.
[26:30]Let's do it.
[26:31]Yes.
[26:32]Like we can, like, mingle first.
[26:34]I mean, I'm sort of wondering is there a post-covid
[26:36]at this point, but yeah, I'm thinking vaccinated party
[26:39]or I'm not kidding.
[26:40]I'd like to do bring people together.
[26:42]Oh, please, I will be there.
[26:44]Okay, so I think we have some name and party.
[26:47]Here we go.
[26:47]Okay, okay.
[26:49]There we go.
[26:50]Amazing.
[26:51]Well, thank you guys for coming
[26:52]on mom's no time to read books.
[26:54]Thank you for being so open
[26:56]and both of you, Kristina and Zakia,
[26:58]for rewriting your essays
[26:59]and really digging deeper
[27:00]than you originally felt comfortable doing
[27:02]because the result was really great and memorable
[27:06]and poignant and just really wonderful.
[27:09]And thank you for helping me with my kids bedtime
[27:11]night after night.
[27:12]That's a great thing about essays.
[27:13]You can read one a night and like, you know,
[27:15]it's, you're not trapped in a book with the, you know,
[27:18]never ending whatever you get like, anyway.
[27:21]So I loved it.
[27:23]I'm so happy this book exists
[27:24]and I'm glad I read it and that I met all of you.
[27:27]So thank you.
[27:28]It was awesome.
[27:30]Thank you so much.
[27:31]Thank you so much.
[27:32]All right.
[27:32]Okay, we'll take care and I'll send out a paperless post.
[27:35]I'm not even kidding.
[27:36]I will like coordinate with you at some point
[27:38]and maybe in the next, you know, 2022 we'll have a party.
[27:41]Sounds good to me.
[27:43]All right.
[27:43]Excellent.
[27:44]All right.
[27:45]Take care.
[27:46]Bye.
[27:47]Bye.
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[27:50]don't have time to read books.
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