Lolo Jones, OVER IT: How to Face Life’s Hurdles with Grit, Hustle, and Grace

[1:37]Zibby Owens: This is Zibby Owens, and you're listening to the award winning podcast, Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books. I'm also the host of Moms Don't Have Time to Lose Weight, and I'm the editor of the anthology, which you should run out and buy, called Moms Don't Have Time to A Quarantine Anthology. All proceeds of that book go to COVID nineteen Vaccine Research. And I'm the editor in chief of Moms Don't Have Time To Write, a new publication on Medium, and we're accepting submissions, so please send your personal essays there. And if all that isn't enough, you can follow me on Instagram at Zibby Owens, and my website is zibbyowens.com. Okay, now back to this amazing podcast. Lolo Jones is the author of How to Face Life's Hurdles with Grit, Hustle, and Grace. Lori Lolo Jones, born 08/05/1982, is an American hurdler and bobsledder who specializes in the 60 meter and 100 meter hurdles. She won three NCAA titles and garnered 11 All American honors while at Louisiana State University. She won indoor national titles in 2007, 2008, and 2009 in the 60 meter hurdles with gold medals at the World Indoor Championship in 2008 and 2009. In bobsled, she won the twenty twenty one IBSF World Championships as the brakewoman for Callie Humphreys. She was favored to win the 100 meter hurdles at the two thousand and eight Beijing Olympics, but tripped on the penultimate hurdle, finishing in seventh place. She went on to win gold at the two thousand eight World Athletics final, beating the newly crowned Olympic champion Dawn Harper with a time of twelve point five six. Lola was the American record holder in the 60 meter hurdles with a time of 7.72 until 2018 when both Kendra Harrison and Sharika Nelvis improved the time to 7.7. Lolo also competes as a brakewoman on the US National Bobsled Team. She won a gold medal in the mixed team event in the twenty thirteen world championships and represented The US at the twenty fourteen Winter Olympics, making her one of the few athletes who has competed in both the summer and Winter Olympic Games. Outside of the Olympics, Lolo has appeared on many reality TV shows such as Dancing with the Stars, Celebrity Big Brother, and The Challenge. She currently lives in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Welcome, Lolo. Thank you so much for coming on Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books to discuss over it, How to face life's hurdles with grit, hustle, and grace. Thank you for having me. We could all take a lesson out of your book to learn how to do that a little bit better.

[4:09]Grit: Well, thank you.

[4:11]Zibby Owens: Yeah. I enjoyed it. And it was an honor to meet your kids before we started recording. They're super cute. Oh, thanks for entertaining them. I just think it's so great to be able to introduce them to amazing role models like you who have accomplished so much, like Olympic athlete and all the things you've overcome. I mean, the things you've gotten over, so to speak, and just all it's just it's amazing what you can do with determination and genes and your body and athleticism and all the emotional mental stuff that goes into it. It's really amazing.

[4:44]Grit: Definitely more determination than Jean. I know growing up, I was not the fastest kid. I got beat quite a bit. And I was able over the course of, you know,

[4:52]Zibby Owens: years beat the kids who finally who were beating me all those times. So it's just a lot more determination than genes, would say. That's true. I feel like you had something about how the most important thing is just keeping going because the people who might have been faster, the only reason they didn't make it is that they stopped. And I feel like that applies to so many things. Right? If you even like a lot of authors come on and say like, well, finally sold my book because I wrote like three books after I got my first one rejected. So it's the same sort of mentality. Like, the more you keep doing it,

[5:23]Grit: like, you know, picking yourself up. The sharper you get or you use those failures as motivation. I don't know. I I just feel like some of the toughest moments of my life, my biggest failures were followed up by my best moments. You know? So I don't know if it was just like the kick in the butt I needed or it was, you know, fuel for my fire,

[5:44]Zibby Owens: a little bit of both, but definitely was able to use a lot of those failures to motivate me for big things. Well, I hate to even bring up so, obviously, the book begins in the way some people knew you, but not most who have followed your illustrious career. But you did have this one moment that drew a lot of attention that you were not, you know, for a while as we were just discussing, you didn't even wanna talk about it, and it was all anybody wanted to ask you. So I don't wanna be one of those people who's only asking you about, like, your stumbles. I wanna talk about doctor.

[6:15]Grit: Yeah. No. I I had to start with that. And that was my decision actually. We weren't going to have that as the first chapter, but I said, let's rip this band aid right off because it's obviously one of the more painful things. And it's like funny because sometimes I'm like, oh, I'm totally over that. Like I'm healed. And then like, something will trigger me. And I'm like, wait, we still have some weeds to pull in this area. So yeah, definitely was an intense reliving that and, you know, trying to make sure that I go into detail the the process and what happened that night in 2008 when I hit the ninth hurdle, which cost me an Olympic gold medal. But some of the things I found more interest not more interesting. That was also very, very interesting.

[6:57]Zibby Owens: But I wanted to hear all about how you got to that place. Like, what what happens in the moment and little stumbles or how you get through something amazing like the Olympics is super interesting. But it's like what we were like, what is it that makes one person get there versus another person? And how did you become that person? And going back and talking about your mom and your dad and even how you overcame I I can't I have to find a new word now because now every time I say it, I think about your title. You know, the shoplifting and how your car would break down all the time and how you would have to run to school sometimes at least a mile, if not farther to different schools, and how that's even how you started learning to run so you wouldn't even be so cold. So tell me a little bit more about that and sort of the necessity. It's like you ran to to survive. Yeah. Really. I know a lot of so a lot of people assume that I became a runner because, you know, I joined the track team

[7:49]Grit: and, you know, I was really good at that. That was probably part of it. But before that even part one, there's like the prequel. Right? And that was, you know, my family, we just grew up really poor. And so I didn't have, you know, a car most of time because my family just couldn't afford a car. So the the cars we had would break down all the time. So we'd be like stuck across town from our house. And this is before Uber and Lyft. This is when taxi cabs are really, really expensive. So really our only other option was either to catch a bus and it was after hours when there were no buses available and then to run or walk home. And so, you know, we caught ourselves a lot of times walking or running home. And then if it was a cold night, which I grew up in Des Moines, Iowa, where there's blizzard and it's very, very frigid, we would run home just to keep the body heat high. So I can remember that happening multiple times. So I remember running to the grocery store with my dad trying to go get groceries and then like carry the groceries back, you know? So in those moments is when he would teach me how to run, you know, this is how you like control your breathing and breathe in through your nose and out through your mouth. So remembering those moments, what's funny because that's essentially what made running natural for me and then joined the the track team. So which obviously launched me into becoming a collegiate athlete and then going on to compete for the Olympics.

[9:13]Zibby Owens: Wow. So it's all about how we get to school. I should not be driving my kids to school. I should be leaving them on the side of the road, and then they'd probably have a much better chance of success. Now they're like, don't even want to walk you through a few blocks.

[9:27]Grit: I know. I hate to be that person that's like, know, you always hear the stories of the parents like, used to walk a mile to school. And it's like, oh, I actually am one of those people.

[9:39]Zibby Owens: So as you've gotten older in your life and, you know, I'm sort of somewhat focused on aging, I'm 44. So, you know, how do you and your body has been your, like, your secret weapon, not so secret. Like, you have been able to channel your body into whatever you wanna make it and do the things that most people wouldn't dream of doing. As you've gotten older, like, how has your relationship sort of changed

[10:03]Grit: with your body, if it has at all? Oh, man. I feel it. I'm telling you, especially in these last three years, because I'm I'm 38 and about to be 39. And I have to so I think what I've had to really focus on the older I get is eating healthier. Like before I could eat like fast food and not really feel anything. And now I definitely feel like the dips in energy don't feel really good. I don't want to say I have arthritis, but like foods definitely make me more tight and increased inflammation when I have like pizza. Like the next day I feel a bit more stiff. So it's just those things like I would never have those moments when I was in my twenties. It's like if I want to, I remember eating pizza every day pretty much with my teammate one time and we ran perfectly fine. So as you get older, you have to be more diligent in the small things, like even stretching, you know, you lose your flexibility as you get older, your body decreases that. So I always tell people, even if they're not doing anything for workouts, just please stretch. Like, stretch while you watch TV. You know? So that's just how I keep my body maintenance going well as I, you know, get up get on up there in age. And what about, like, how not to burn out on a sport that you've done so much of? I mean, I hear so often I mean, my husband played professional tennis for a little bit and so and taught tennis for many, many years. And there are some people who he meets, and they're like, no. Like, no. No. No. I can't even look at a tennis racket. Like, I'm done. I'm over. I can't after all that. Like, do you avoid something like that? Like, how have you how has it been throughout your recent life? Well, I've definitely had moments where I've gotten burned out, tired of practice, tired of going. But I'd say I would just find ways to switch it up, whether that's change my goals. I think that's a big reason why I started doing bobsled is it's it's still competing, but it's a completely different sport. And the way bobsled task you is different from track. So track is a lot more running and bobsleds are more focused on lifting weights. Not everybody has the opportunity to switch sports. So I found a lot of motivation just in reading different books or, you know, whether it's music, I can draw inspiration from podcasts, TV shows, like just trying to find your energy from somewhere. So because my tank definitely gets low. I mean, I'm doing the same workouts six days a week, and I've been doing them since I'm doing the same workouts that I did as a freshman in college. So it's, fifteen years. Like, it's a lot of the same stuff over and over again. So there's a lot of little tips and tricks I do, whether it's that get my energy from somewhere. Like, let's say I'm tired of running, like get a new pair of shoes. So it forces me to like, you know, I just spent all this money on these shoes. I'm gonna go, you know, try them out, feel the energy from that. So just, yeah, little things. Journaling a lot is big for me. It can just vent my frustrations and my stress. So that's probably what's kept me in the game as long as I've been in. Also, Rest is really key. A lot of people forget rest. Know, like I take one day off a day off a week for a reason just because I really if I don't have that, I like I burn out much more quickly if I don't have those moments of rest or pause.

[13:05]Zibby Owens: And you mentioned just now reading and in the book, you talked about how you were such an advanced reader and you loved reading from a young age. Tell me a little bit about the role of reading in your life. It was honestly,

[13:16]Grit: I think it was just my escape. I don't know really how I got into reading so much as a kid. You know? It was just most kids, I don't know. I guess they especially nowadays, it's so hard with Netflix and Hulu and video games. Like, we had video games, but it's, like, on a increased level much so more with the media and social outlets that they have. So for me, it was just that was just my escape. And, you know, we had a TV in the house and we had, you know, there were months where we had cable, some months we didn't because we couldn't afford it. But I just always went back to the books. And I think another motivator was when I was talking about how to give away that prize for the pan pizza because then program in school where if you read a book, you would be able to get it like a personal pan pizza. And I did grow up quite hungry. Like my family just didn't have a lot of food. So that was a good motivator too. But even without that, I probably I mean, there were moments I didn't have that program and I was still reading a ton. So, yeah, I enjoyed reading a lot growing up. Enjoyed going to the bookstore, getting books or, you know, it was a used bookstore, like a thrift bookstore. So that was quite fun. And what about now? Do you still like to read in your spare time? I love to read. Yeah. I love to read. I don't have as much time. I tried my best, though, especially when I'm traveling, you know, like right now, it's usually because I travel so much. It's like three months on the road or six months on the road during the Olympic year. So the things at home kind of stacked up like home maintenance or, you know, you have to go through a stack of mail. So when I'm home, I get slammed with, like, just daily life stuff. But when I travel, there's nothing I love better just to, like, okay. I'm just gonna, like, pull out a book or read my Kindle and and just just something, you know? So but I I I do read whether it's inspirational stuff. You know, my bible is you know, those are things I daily read, but, like, just leisure is those common waves when I travel. And now people are reading your book on their Kindle. So it's like, I'll come in full circle here. Amazing. I know. This is like I'm starting to get nervous as it starts to get closer to the the launch date. I'm like, I don't know. I've had a few moments where I go, my gosh. This is still like some people are reading my diary or something. So

[15:24]Zibby Owens: what made you write a book to begin with?

[15:26]Grit: Well, I I mean, I guess it goes back to the inspiration of books. So when you're an avid reader, and and that's how I said I get a lot of source of my energy is, you know, there's been a lot of, like, times in my life where I felt very discouraged or going through bouts of depression or frustrated that I'm single. And I'll I'll try to go pick up a book that will encourage or motivate me to just see, like, something else and, another perspective. And a lot of those books are from the perspective of someone on the other side of their win. You know? It's like, oh, an Olympic champion who has won and this is how I won. Or, you know, if it's a book for singles, it's a person who's who's married now and on the other side of that, there's they're very happily married. And I was like, where is the book about the people that are still in the battle, that are frustrated that it hasn't turned out? Like, they still have questions, they still have doubts and fears. Where's that book at? And so I just wanted to write a book that would encourage those who are very hopeless and feel like they've tried everything. They've thrown everything at a situation or a problem. They've come so close, but just not there yet. And so I hope that as they read it, they can see that I've had a lot of those moments and those moments are essentially would help me have success even though it's not the ultimate success of per se having an Olympic medal. Nice. And what was it? What was the experience of writing it like? Well, it was it it was very interesting because I was it was during the pandemic. And so I was the I don't know if I was in the best mind state. Right? Because I was my mind, my mental state kept shifting, obviously, with everything changing. And honestly, the biggest part was going thinking you were healed in an area. And then you're like, Oh my goodness gracious. There's some clearing up we need to do. This is not fully no. And it's like, this was like eight years ago. What's going on? So is that was the tough part is like reliving some moments that you really like, oh, I'm totally over it. And you're like, no. No. You're not.

[17:33]Zibby Owens: Yeah. I I mean, it takes like active work to get over some things that happen. You know, it just the time, time doesn't heal all wounds as it were, you know? Yeah. I think, but No, it does not. It's

[17:45]Grit: probably what I learned the most.

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[19:49]Zibby Owens: Oh my gosh. So who who do you want to like, when you think about the people who are trying to get over it and who are kind of stuck in the middle and can't quite achieve what they've set their minds on, like, what do you want them to know? What is it that you get like, made you come back over and over to working on this book and thinking, like, I have to get this out to people? Like, is it gonna get better? What if it doesn't get better? Like, how how are you equipping them to to deal with it? Because sometimes things just aren't good.

[20:14]Grit: Exactly. I mean, I'm still dealing with that right now. Like, I'm I'm preparing for my last Olympics, and I'm not guaranteed to medal. I'm not even guaranteed to make the Olympic team. So it might not work out for me. I might end my career and never get this coveted medal that I have been working so hard for so many years for. And so the piece that I've had to come to terms terms with because, you know, I've thought about this a lot. You know, it's it's kept me up many, many nights. And I relive hitting the hurdle and, like, why don't you just finish the race so you just get the medal and you wouldn't be here in this position? What gives me peace in knowing is that I tried everything to get that medal. So, like, when my kids ask me at the end of the day, I don't have kids now, but one day I hope I do. And if if I don't become an Olympic medalist and I and I feel like I don't have peace, I will I will tell my kids, you know, I am not an Olympic medalist, but I did everything. I threw the whole book at this situation. And that's what brought me peace in knowing that I did absolutely everything in my powers to get this medal. And if it if I came up short, it doesn't matter because I have so much pride in my effort that even the Olympic medal couldn't replace that because I know that through the odds, through not making my first Olympic team, you know, making sure I tried again, then go to my first Olympics and and, you know, coming up close to an Olympic medal, then go into a a Winter Olympics and not getting a medal there. Like, I tried up, down, left, right. And, no, it didn't work out. But here's the thing. The beauty in that is I learned how strong I was. I learned that I'm a fighter. I'm learned. I learned that a failure is never going to break me. I learned that I'm bigger than any success. I also have talked to many Olympic medalists that have won, and some of them are not happy. A lot of them are not happy just by winning. They're still not content. They're still not content with the ultimate goal. And that's not even just Olympians. Like there's a lot of business people that have tons of money in the bank and they're still not satisfied or complete. So I think that's finding, join the process, join your effort, you know, being satisfied with your accomplishments, what you've overcome. So and then I know that they said it's all about the journey. I'm like, oh, I hate that saying because it's so cliche. But man, a journey is powerful if you use it to just reflect on your mental state and just that's what's really honestly helped propel me. One failure has launched me into another victory, and then I'd hit another wall, and that would propel me even further. So I really just hope that that's the takeaway for someone who's like, man, maybe this won't work out for me. I know. It might not work out for me either, but where are you gonna grab your peace from? Are you gonna grab your peace from something that you're trying to chase after? Or are you going to be peaceful in the moment and know that you are a fighter, you're unbreakable, and you can overcome anything?

[23:12]Zibby Owens: Well, you're inspiring me right now. That was really awesome. That's your I mean, your message is is powerful and and comes from such a place of authenticity. And I I know that having the book out there will resonate and help you find new people who haven't heard that before, which is which is really great. On the writing front, is there anything that aspiring authors should know that you learned in your in your writing journey of this book? I thought it was gonna be easier.

[23:40]Grit: I guess if they I mean, honestly, it's not so much the the the I mean, writing process, yes. But it's after the fact because like, let's say, who are they writing the book for? Because that book now has to reach an audience. And I guess I didn't realize I was like, okay, the book is done. Celebrate. Like, yes. And then it's like, that's just like the beginning of, okay, well, now you have to make sure you're finding your audience for that book. So whether it's interviews or podcasts or, you know, using your social media to get the book out or even talking to your family and friends, that part right there is like, I guess every author has to have a little bit of marketing and then, or be prepared to be a marketer of their own book if they want people to read it. Because that I was not prepared for it like that. I guess I was like, oh, the book is done. Bye.

[24:30]Zibby Owens: And it's like, no. Yeah. No. No. No. Now it's just beginning. But it's always That's what I was yeah. That was not prepared for that. It's also like what you were saying about I mean, you were saying having to almost justify to your kids, like, that you tried your hardest, but you weren't an Olympic medalist. Like, for somebody who's not trying to achieve that, just being an Olympian is a huge deal. You know? I think for people who are trying to write books, just writing a book would be a big deal, but then there's the book sales. So I feel like it's just if you get to a certain place in any industry, if you're driven and you've gotten that far another level. You have to you you can't stop then. What you're gonna stop then when like, it's just I don't know. I I think it's just a it's just a side effect of drive, and it's hard to not continue to drive. It's hard to know if you're like, if you've been tuning up this car to drive really fast, why all of a sudden, you're supposed to, like, slam on the brakes? It's like, it's not the natural thing to do. So Yeah. Other people notice how fast you're going, but I don't I don't know. It's Also say I agree, and I think it applies well to the to the publishing industry as well. There's always something else. Or people are like, the book came out, but it wasn't a bestseller. And they're like, ah, it's like, but you already had a book out and it helped a lot of people and no, but it will or people are like, it's a number four, but it's not a number one. And I'm like, are you guys crazy?

[25:52]Grit: So that's basically that's the life of even though they're not Olympic athletes, that's the same those complaints are the same things Olympia. Oh, I got a fourth place. Well, you're an Olympian. It's the same argument. It's hilarious. Yeah. Yep. Same thing. Doesn't stop. Probably every every career. Yeah. And at the end of the day, doesn't matter what the people on the outside think. It's how satisfied you are with yourself and,

[26:14]Zibby Owens: you know, knowing that you didn't quit, which is basically the whole thing. So, anyway, so you have the potential Olympics coming up. Your book is coming out. Like, what else is coming down the pike for you as if that's not enough? There's nothing else I can handle. That's that's these Good.

[26:28]Grit: No. I'm glad you said that. I'm like, these two projects alone are like Yeah. It's really it's an honor to honestly to have a book coming out and then also to be fighting for my last Olympic team. And then I'm just really thrilled. I have a lot going on. So the book is coming out July 20 and then I have national team trials for bobsled July 30. Yeah. So, like, it's a lot on my plate right now. There's definitely moments where I have a huge amount of stress, but we're managing getting through it. So

[27:01]Zibby Owens: Wow. Well, you know, I think that one other thing I'll just say about publishing is there's all this pressure for everything to happen, like, right at the beginning. Right? Like, pub day and getting all the word out and sales the first week and whatever. And, like, if you're, like, distracted with your main job, which is, like, getting on the team, you know, the press interviews could always wait a week or two. It's not gonna completely derail your success. I I just wanted to throw that out there. Well, thank you for saying that because they I feel like a lot there has been a lot of stress about that. And, yeah, I'm really grateful you said that because I have to keep reminding myself

[27:36]Grit: this is my last attempt for Winter Olympics. And so I have to put my energies and focus on that as and so I'm really glad you said that. Yeah. I mean, remember why you do everything, right?

[27:48]Zibby Owens: But this is like all of a sudden, else's coaches are getting involved, right? Like, if we continue this analogy, you know, because the coaches always want their players to win. So it's up to you to slam the brakes for this 11. And it's going to be okay. You know? I think the first week sales and presales are most important to hitting the bestseller list. But, you know, it's okay. You can always do it later. And or like, it maybe your goal is not to have it be a bestseller. Maybe your goal is to have it just do amazingly well, but not be one of the top 10 in the world. And and instead be one of the top 10 runners in the world or bobsledders or whatever, you know? So anyway, yeah, there's a there's pressure in every industry. And I would just say, as you well know, because you're so centered about, you know, your own journey that, you know, we only get to do this once. And Yes. You know? Well, I'll definitely let the I'll let the cards play where they play. But I think it would be really cool though,

[28:45]Grit: even though I because I don't have that, oh, she's an Olympic medalist. It'd be cool to say, you know, I'm a best seller. That'd be awesome. I'm sure you will get that.

[28:54]Zibby Owens: It's not gonna make or break if I don't, but like, it's yeah. I'm sure I'm sure just from your name alone and who you are, that would do the trick. You know? I'm sure I anyway, whatever. But it's also another one of those things you can't control. You can do everything you can can't do.

[29:09]Grit: Control. It is out of my control for sure. So at this point, honestly, I am more focused on, I think because you got the early edition and so it's like, and my neighbor read it. And so like getting those reactions of people who have access the great.

[29:25]Zibby Owens: It's practical. It's helpful. It's great. There's memoir, there's advice, there's spirituality and faith. There's like all these things. A story of overcoming adversity, succeeding, failure. I mean, it's great. It's it's how can you not like a story like this?

[29:41]Grit: It's great. I appreciate it. That that definitely is what I can't wait to see more people read the book and then have those moments. I'm like excited for that.

[29:50]Zibby Owens: Yep. And I hope you didn't think I just meant it wasn't gonna be a bestseller. I just meant like, that is why the pressure is for that first week. That's all I was trying to say. No, Oh my gosh. They're not gonna give me any more interviews ever. Like I'm

[30:07]Grit: calling my bosses now. I'm good. Look. We're not doing any interviews because I was just told on I'm also happy to have a meeting. I need to focus on the Olympics. So I am so sorry. We're shutting interviews down. Oh, no.

[30:21]Zibby Owens: Oh my gosh. Oh, dear. I shouldn't have opened my map. Okay. Well, now that But you know what? Moms don't have time to read, and the Olympians don't have time to do interviews. There we go. There you go. I mean, I like, I've had a book come out in February. I have one coming out in November. Like, I'm clearing the I have to, like, clear the decks just to deal with that. You know, I have to put my podcast sort of on hold. Because I'm like, you know, but but my podcast is my main job, and I love it. So I gotta keep doing a good job on it. Anyway. Alright. Not to compare my podcast and your Olympic athleticism.

[30:55]Grit: But anyway Oh, I love it. I hope you know what I'm saying. Congratulations

[30:59]Zibby Owens: on your book. I wish you all the success in the world in both the Olympics and the the literary world and everything else. And I have no doubt you'll be a success in whatever you do. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much for having me on, and shout out to all the moms that don't have time to read. Alright. Take care, Lolo. Good luck. Take care. Bye. Bye.