Robinne Lee, THE IDEA OF YOU

[1:36]Zibby Owens: But at that time, I was like going to the guy at Joe and the Juice behind the counter asking him to vote for me and anyone I could. So now I'm coming to all of you to ask you to please vote for moms don't have time to read books to win the People's Choice Webby Award for Best Live Podcast. If you go to vote.webbyawards.com, again, that's vote.webby, W E B B Y, webbyawards.com. And then go to the little magnifying glass search thing on the upper right. All you have to type in is search by name or entry and just type in moms and it will come up. And then you can click on the best live podcast recording nominee and vote for me. Also, by the way, I won honoree for best influencer, which is crazy. Anyway, thank you for voting. I really, really would appreciate it. I would love to win the People's Voice Award, especially after trying so hard and failing two years ago. So if you could just take a few minutes and vote, I would be so grateful. You could email me after if you want at infosibbyowens dot com. And I will say thank you to you via email myself because I'm so grateful. So email me if you've done it, post about it. I'm just I would be so grateful. Thank you. Hi, this is Zippy Owens and you're listening to the award winning podcast, Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books. I'm also the host of Moms Don't Have Time to Lose Weight, and I'm the editor of the anthology, which you should run out and buy, called Moms Don't Have Time to: A Quarantine Anthology. All proceeds of that book go to COVID nineteen Vaccine Research. And I'm the editor in chief of Moms Don't Have Time to Write, a new publication on Medium, and we're accepting submissions, so please send personal essays there. And if all that isn't enough, you can follow me on Instagram at Zibby Owens, and my website is zibbyowens.com. Okay. Now back to this amazing podcast. Robin Lee is the author of The Idea of You, a novel. She's also an actor, writer and producer. And this is her debut novel. A graduate of Yale University and Columbia Law School, Robin was born and raised in Westchester County, New York. Robin has numerous acting credits in both television and film, most notably opposite Will Smith in both Hitch and Seven Pounds, and as Ross Bailey in 50 Shades Darker and 50 Shades Free. She lives in Los Angeles with her husband and two children. Welcome, Robin. Thank you so much for coming on Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books. Thank you for having me, Zibby. Very excited to be here. Oh, and as I was just telling you, this is so fitting because of construction. I am sitting in my daughter's room with her stuffed animals all around me. So it's like, moms don't have time to podcast today, but that's okay. It's beautiful wallpaper, and I'm enjoying it. Oh, thank you so much. So I have to tell you, your book, The Idea of You, a friend of mine named Joyce Chang, who is awesome and used to be the editor of People Magazine and is a good friend of a good friend and who I've known for a while, was like, you have to read this book and have this author on your podcast. And whenever people say that, like, who I'm good friends with actually, I shouldn't I shouldn't admit this. But when a good friend of mine is like, you have to have this book on, I I take special care to read that book. And anyway, as soon as I started reading this, I was like, I get it. I get it. Thank Joyce for me. I will thank Joyce for you. So Robin, would you mind just tell tell listeners about The Idea of You and how you came up with this plot? And then I wanna talk about your whole acting career and

[5:04]Robinne Lee: how all of this is sort of intersected with with this book. So The Idea of You is a story of Celine Marchand, who is a 39 year old sophisticated divorcee here in Los Angeles. I'm in LA. She owns an art gallery with a partner. And she's got a 12 year old daughter who's obsessed with this British boy band. And she kind of gets enlisted to take her daughter and a few friends to a meet and greet in concert for the band. And at the meet and greet, one of the guys in the band kind of falls for Salen and he's half her age. And they embark on a bit of a tryst and very quickly becomes this very involved, love story. Their relationship kind of as it flowers, it affects her life, every aspect of her life in unexpected ways. And so that's the story. And I saw

[6:06]Zibby Owens: in your acknowledgments, credited your husband. I did. Tell me about that.

[6:10]Robinne Lee: Well, it was, I guess, about six years, seven oh my gosh. I'm bad with math. Seven. My gosh, it's seven years ago. It's 2014. Seven years ago now, about this it was March 2014, and my kids were still quite small. And my husband was away on business. And I was home late one night surfing YouTube. And I was just looking up random music acts, and I came across this band with this guy in it with beautiful, beautiful face, but obviously very young, but just ridiculously beautiful. And I kind of went down a rabbit hole for an hour, like, looking into everything about him and discovered that he'd occasionally dated older women. And I kind of just kind of planted the seed. And when my husband came back from New York, we were at an event two nights after that, I guess. And I told him, I was like, you know, I found this the perfect guy. I'm thinking about leaving you and the two kids and just kind of running off and finding him. But, you know, he's half my age and he's in a band. How do you feel about that? And he laughed and he was like, You are crazy, but that would make a great book. And like the second he said it, it just I could see it from beginning to end. It all just fell into place for me. Don't think I've I've never I mean, I've written all my life, mostly for myself and for pleasure. I've never had a story just like play out in my head so clearly, so quickly, so specifically. Like, I just saw it. I was like, that's it. I could write this book and I could do it really well. And I would really enjoy the process. And I say I could do it really well because I, you know, I just turned 40 and I was dealing with a lot of the baggage that comes along. He should be able to enjoy turning 40. Now that I'm, like, so far past that, 40 is like, Oh, that was nothing. But it was looming big for a very long time. And I'm an actress here in Hollywood, and I've been an actress for a quarter of a century now. My God, that sounds like a long time. But I could see, like, how the offers and the roles that I was being submitted for had changed drastically from my 20s and even my 30s. Like, once you hit 40, like, things just dry up. There are just fewer opportunities for really great roles that are outside of, like, just the mom or just, like, the neighbor or whatever, the neighbor's wife or the detective. Whatever it is, it's just there were fewer and fewer opportunities, and they were not as juicy and multilayered as I would have liked. And I just kinda feel like, god, Hollywood really throws us away at a certain age. Like, they save the really good roles for the Nicole Kidmans and the Viola Davises and Angela Bassets or Kate Blanchett or whatever. But, like, just, like, great roles even on TV. And that's changed in the last seven years. I will say there have been some incredible female roles, older women roles on TV. But seven years ago, was like there was just there was so there's so few. There were so few. Like, Netflix wasn't making their own content. Amazon wasn't making its own content. Hulu did not exist. Like, I was kind of, like, angry. I'm not angry at the world, at the business and, like and just wanted to show that women still have a lot to give. And for you, you're kind of you can just come into your own. I think it's when you're kind of hitting your peak of your power and a woman in business or whatever that is that the world kind of tells you that you're no longer viable. You're no longer I don't want say a bad word, but you're no longer desirable. And it's like and you become invisible. And I wanted to show what that was and what that felt like. And I wanted to do it by this woman kind of, you know, coming out of a divorce. She's three years out of divorce, and she finds this guy who kind of reawakens her and her sexuality and, like, who she is and her identity. And I wanted to explore all of that. And I just thought I could do it and have fun with it. Right out of college, I'd started a company with a girlfriend of mine in New York, and we were managing singing groups. And one of our groups is an all girls group, and we were produced by one of the new kids on the block. And they were kind of just past the height of their fame. I guess at the height of their fame and then coming down. And so I got to know them and see what their lives were like when they were still quite famous. And and they're and they're famous now. Like, took a like, I don't know how many years they took off eight, twelve, whatever it was. But there was you know, back in the the nineties, like, they were just still, like, massive, successful, and huge fandom. And to see what it was like to be caught up with them at that point in time was really eye opening. And I thought, oh, I know what this is. I could write a boy band. I just need to research and see what boy bands' lives are like today and what shows are doing and what, you know, what are the big talk shows in publicity and what tours look like. But I know what that energy is. I know what the energy is like being a girl experiencing it because I used be obsessed with Duran Duran. And I know what it's like to be in a in a stadium full of like screaming girls and like feeling like this is the most incredible thing that's ever happened to me. And I also know what it's like to look at it as a 40 year old woman and like and kind of assess like what, you know, you don't get caught up in the magic in that way, but you can still be attracted to them in that way. And so that I figured, let's go and explore it. And that's what I did. And did you have as much fun as you thought you would? Absolutely. I had a lot of fun, but it was also way more of an emotional toll than I ever expected. Like, I felt like I'd lived this relationship, and I went on this journey with this woman. And I was, like, living it in real time. And are we doing this assuming that your readers have read it? And can I talk about the ending, or can I not talk about the ending of the book? It's up to you. I mean, some people are just finding out about the book, I would imagine, and some people have read it and wanna know more. So it's up to you. So I'm not gonna give away too much about the end. But about three months out, when I knew it was ending and I knew my time with them was coming to an end, I was really depressed. Like, I would cry every day. I'd cry writing. I'd have to stop, close my laptop, and just, like, curl up in a ball and just, like, cry for an hour and then start again or twenty minutes or whatever it was. It was really emotional for me. I'd gotten so close to them and attached to them, and I felt so connected with them. And I felt for, you know, for the year and a half, whatever, year and three months that I was writing this, they were living in my head. And, like, there were, like, three of us in my brain and knowing that I was gonna have to push two of them out and be like, that's it. We're done. I'm done with the two of you. You have to go now. It was really, really hard, way more than I'd ever experienced writing anything book prior and way more than I'd expected and and that that I even thought I could handle at times. Like, really felt like, I'm going crazy. I'm going crazy. These people are, like, living in my head, and it and maybe this is, like, some form of schizophrenia or something. Like, I wasn't sure what it was, like, a hallucination, like, why? I heard their voices so clearly. It was so specific. But at the same time, I didn't want to lose them because I knew that that was part of the magic. Like, I felt like I could write for them because they were so clear to me. And so it's it's kinda as a writer, you're kind of you're balanced. I am I insane? Am I going crazy? Am I hallucinating? Or is this, like, what they talk about is, like, finding, oh my goodness. I'm gonna forget her name now. Elizabeth, she wrote Eat, Pray, Love. Gilbert. Gilbert. Thank you. She does this incredible TED Talk about finding your your your what genius is and, like and and how genius we talk about people as as today as being geniuses, like it's someone that you are. But in the past, was like something that you owned or something that you held on to. And she talks about finding your genie and how it could just be in the wind and you just grab it and you hold on to it. And you're writing and you're using it. And then you let it go and it's gone and you can't get it back. And that kind of paralysis when you feel like, oh my gosh, what if I can never get it back? But I really felt like I had this genie at that point and I didn't want to lose it no matter what it was. I was like, I'm not gonna go to therapy for this just yet. Like, I don't wanna lose these voices. And so it was a lot more emotional than I expected.

[14:20]Zibby Owens: So then what happened when you got to the last page? I

[14:24]Robinne Lee: was very relieved and very happy and very satisfied with what I'd written. But I cried, I would say, every day for about eighteen months. Oh, my gosh. For a long time. Robin. I know was really yeah, it was really, really rough. And it took a long time for me to separate from them and be like, Okay, I can go on. I can do other things. I don't have to be obsessed with them now. They're not living in my head. They're not a part of me. They all have their own lives outside of me, and I can do other things. But it was very difficult to separate. And then, of course, the book came comes out, and everyone's like, are you doing a sequel? When are doing a sequel? And I was like, I can't let those people back into my head just yet. I have to heal. I have to, like I will go crazy. I will, like they will have to, like, commit me. Like, I can't like, I really felt like I was losing my mind. And I felt very haunted by them, by him especially, by the Hayes character. I felt very haunted by him for a long time. And so it's been very tricky separating

[15:24]Zibby Owens: and trying to create art. It is. It's like you're having separation anxiety from the characters. Have you had anxiety in other areas? Like, does this does this not make sense in sort of like overall anxiety or is this completely left field? I'm not normally

[15:41]Robinne Lee: an anxious person. Definitely since COVID it's in in the beginning months of COVID. My anxiety was like crazy, but I ended up having high blood pressure, of diagnosis, right before the release of the book. And I could feel it. Like I could feel like my heart racing. So I'm on medication for that now. But I definitely, I mean, both of my parents had it. It was in my family. I was going to get it eventually, but I definitely time it with the release of this. But like the stress and the anxiety that I felt with the releasing of this novel was definitely what kicked it into to gear for me. I'm 100%

[16:18]Zibby Owens: certain that's what did it. I mean, part of not to say I'm not surprised because this is like a unique attachment to characters. Not unique, but that the extent of your attachment to it. Right, is on one end of a spectrum that I feel like a lot of people are on. But your characters in reading them feel so real. So it's almost like not surprising to me because you get so invested in their, it's like the alternate life, right? It's like going to all these amazing places you wish you could go to and like this beautiful villa in the South Of France and how amazing would that be and all this. I mean, it's almost like it's like the life you don't live. Right? So it's almost like you're not really just saying goodbye to the characters. You're saying goodbye to Yeah. To the fantasy, to the to the life you Right. Didn't Today's episode is sponsored by Quince. Summer always makes me rethink what I'm reaching for every day. Lighter fabrics, better materials, pieces that just feel good the moment you put them on and look effortless. That's why I keep coming back to Quint's. They focus on high quality essentials. Think breathable linen, soft organic cotton, washable silk, but without the luxury markup. It's that rare balance where everything feels elevated but still easy. Quince has beautiful everyday pieces like 100% European linen pants, dresses, and tops with styles starting at $32. Their denim is soft and easy to wear. I wear my jean jacket all the time. And their organic cotton sweaters are perfect for layering on cool summer nights. Everything at Quince is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. Quince works directly with ethical factories and cuts out the middlemen, so you're paying for not brand markup. And it's not just clothing. Quince has really become a destination for elevated essentials across home, kitchen, bedding, and beyond, making it easy to bring a more premium feel into everyday life. In addition to my jean jacket, I recently got a white tank top dress with a beautiful cotton skirt that is absolutely gorgeous, and I can't wait for it to be warm enough so I can wear it every day, but it has been a cool spring. Elevate your summer wardrobe. Go to quince.comzippy for free shipping on your order and three hundred and sixty five day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's quince.com/zippy for free shipping and three hundred and sixty five day returns. Quince.com/zibby.

[19:11]Robinne Lee: And most of those places I've been to, so it's like I Oh, right. Yeah. But but not in that way.

[19:17]Zibby Owens: Well, you're not living them right this second. Know. Like, I know. Definitely. And I have to tell you, and maybe I shouldn't even, but I actually got divorced and then I remarried someone younger than me who's not as young, but he's only six years younger. But it feels like a lot younger when you have kids. Yes. I mean, sure. And we did sort of like I did go from being married for over a decade to all of a sudden, you know, having this very, you know, like Yeah. Like, whisk off your feet again and, like, fall my again. Right. This very confident, like, younger man who I was like, oh my gosh. You know? With children. So similar to Selen, like, not in the same thing, but, like, I feel like I had a piece of that in my own life. I was, like, reading this, like, oh my gosh. I think it's a really unique, incredible experience,

[20:09]Robinne Lee: extraordinary experience to fall in love. And I think it only happens a few times in one's life. For me, it definitely happened twice, at least, including my husband, someone before my husband and then my husband. And then I kind of there was a sadness thinking, oh, I'll never have this again, like this magic. Because it's not like you'd fall in love with your husband all over again every single day. Like, you love him, but it's not that kind of, you know, swept off your feet. Like, everything is a surprise and everything is new and wonder full of wonder. And someone told me, oh, that'll change. You'll have it again when you have babies. And I was like, it's not gonna be the same. But it definitely is a high when you have a baby that that first year or so, and just discovering every little thing about them. And so when I we're talking about kids before this, when I had my daughter, who's now 12, and I knew she was gonna be our last, I held on to every moment of it. I remember thinking, this is the last time I'll ever fall in love this way. This is the last time, And that's it. Like, that's my whole life. And that was a very sad thing. Like, assuming my husband and I stay together, this is it. Like, I'll never have that feeling. But writing this book, I definitely fell in love with this character in the way that it felt when I first met my husband, in the way that it felt when I first met my boyfriend, who was, like, my my first love, real love. And I never imagined that could happen again and through fiction. And it was really surprising. And so I think letting go of that too was kind of like it was really like a breakup. Like, I'm losing this guy. I'm I'm that's it. Like, our relationship is over, and it's been this incredible whirlwind. I know I'm gonna cry. It was really hard to say goodbye, and and I don't know that it'll happen again. It's like that kind of magic. And I feel like I put so much into him. The idea of, like, putting so much into another male character in that kind of situation, like, just can't even visualize it. And I and I and I don't know that I wanna write another story like this. Like, I feel like I wrote one really good love story. Maybe love like, I don't know that I can I wanna explore other things before I come back to the doing another love story? You don't have to do another love story. I'm not gonna force you. Well, thank you.

[22:21]Zibby Owens: It's okay. This one is great. You know? The idea that we always have to be constantly creating more and more. Right? I mean, to have one amazing love story and to be able to have characters so vivid and take the reader on this complete ride emotionally and physically. I mean, like, I was reading the other night, I was reading some this, and I'm in the middle of, like, you know, one of the scenes when, like, they're about well, I don't wanna give anything, but it like, a very physically intense scene. And I'm, like, halfway through it, and my eyes are wide, like, staring. And next thing you know, my my son is like, come upstairs. I need you right now. And I'm like, no. Well, you know, you're

[23:05]Robinne Lee: Right? I was like, let me just get to the end of this. Like, I'm right in the middle. Like, I felt like I was right in the middle of it, which, of course, was ridiculous. Really, I was just in my crazy house with, like, kids everywhere and you know? Anyway, it Knew it. I have a The ability of fiction to transport, obviously, you as the writer of it and and as the reader. Even writing it, I had I had moments like that. There was a time they first they first make love. And I won't say where in case so I give give anyone away. But it took, you know, just that love scene took, don't know, two or three days to write, two days to write. I don't remember, couple of days to write, but I remember like, you know, I'd write some dialect whatever in morning I'd get it out and then I'd have to go and like take my kid to school or whatever. Right. Like like remove myself from that hotel room and him and whatever. And everyone be like, do not move. I'm coming right back. I'm gonna take the kid. I'll I'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. No one move. No one go anywhere. Don't nothing. Don't touch each other. I'll be right back. But, like, but, like, it's like there's it's so all consuming.

[24:05]Zibby Owens: And you even put that in the book too. Right? When Isabelle calls right in the middle of that scene and she has to say, like, stay right there. Just like

[24:14]Robinne Lee: right? That was like It's exactly like, what is this kid? Where where did I get these kids from? Why why are they demanding things of me? I'm, like, having the time of my life. Yeah. And yet you have to pick up the phone at all times because, you know, kids. So Kids.

[24:29]Zibby Owens: Oh my gosh. Well, now because I read that this was in development, and now I'm wondering if you're reluctant to develop this into film because of of all the emotional baggage of the characters. What's the latest on that? So it's in development.

[24:43]Robinne Lee: I don't have as much say in it as I would like to have. So, you know, at some point, feel like you you birth a book. It's your book. It's always gonna be your book. And Hollywood takes it, and they make it what they wanna make it. And so I have to kind of, like, feel like go with god. They're not mine. In in that formation, they're not my people anymore. They're not it's something else entirely. So we'll see, you know. I mean, I think that's kind of like the plight of the author unless you have so much control. Right. Like, you know, but I feel like my

[25:18]Zibby Owens: I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. You you can just you just hope you're pleasantly surprised. Well, it's funny because even on Twitter, somebody who was tweeting both of us yesterday about it, right, put the Harry Styles GIF or whatever. Right. And it's like everybody is gonna interpret this book and have their own haze their heads already. Like I have that's not how I pictured him at all because he's so tall and I don't know. I just had like a different, you know, not like Benedict Cumberbatch, but kind of like a taller Right. Like British man vibe. But anyway, whatever. When you do it in your head, when you're reading it, it's one thing. But then when somebody else gives a form to it. Right. Exactly. And they're never gonna cast someone who's going to make every single reader happy.

[26:01]Robinne Lee: So you just have to to let it go. And the haze in your head from the book can exist in your head from the book. And the haze in the movie can be the haze in the movie. There And you go. The haze in the TV show spin off. I don't know. It could be the story.

[26:16]Zibby Owens: Well, I would be interested because it's such a great story and also to reconnect with the characters as opposed to just, like, having the book to read again and again. Do know what I mean? But it's pretty awesome. So you should feel really good about it. I'm sure you do. But Thank so much. It's pretty amazing. So I know you're not writing another love story, and I totally get where your head's at. But do you still write for you? I can't imagine that after all that you would stop. No. I stopped writing for me, which is really, really hard. Trying

[26:47]Robinne Lee: to, like you try to kid yourself. Like this is just for me. Don't don't think too much about it. You can't. I feel like once you've published and your words are out there in the world, I mean, don't know those, I don't know writers who do it. I have not spoken to any writers personally who can do it successfully and just let out all the noise. And I'd love to hear their pointers. I'm sure there are some who can, but I have all these little people on my shoulder now. Used to be just like my parents, like what are my parents gonna say? Like this is I can share this with you. I've written a lot of stuff for myself and there have been love stories before and there have been sex scenes prior, but I was like, there's I'm never ever gonna publish any of that stuff because my parents know I know anything about sex. They're going to like they're going to disown me. Like and it literally was when I was pushing out my first child and my mom was in the room along with my sister and my husband. And as I was pushing, I thought, Oh my God, she now knows I've had sex. This means I can write and I can try to publish. It was really that moment of pushing out my son Alexander that I was like this, I can write and publish books now because obviously

[28:03]Zibby Owens: Yeah, cat's out of the bag. He's crowning.

[28:05]Robinne Lee: Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So it used to be like, what are they gonna say? And that was kind of it. And now it's, what's my agent gonna think? What's my publisher? What's an editor? What are any publishers gonna think? And what are publicity people gonna think? And bloggers and these readers and readers who love this but wanted this and readers who love this part but didn't want that. Like, I I it's not just me. And I really wish I could get back to the space where I could just not hear all that stuff and just hear my own voice. It's hard. Well, here's an assignment I'll give you if you want to accept it, which you I don't have have this new medium publication called Moms Don't Have Time to Write. And I think you should write about the what you were talking about with saying goodbye to your characters and the trauma of letting go of I'm a writing fictitious this down. I'm taking notes. Yeah. I think you should do it. The trauma of letting go of a fictitious

[28:56]Zibby Owens: love. Right? I mean, that is powerful. And it's unique and it's awesome. And I would totally read an essay and it talks about you as a writer. And I think you should tap into that feeling of sadness and loss because it's really what it is. You had to lose somebody you were so close to, and yet it was fiction. That's don't know. I think you should write about that. Just write like a thousand words. Okay. Maybe I'll do that. Yeah. And nobody is gonna really read it. Mean, it's a small publication. So, you know, you can, like, test your wings. But I think it would be good for you to write and send it to me and we'll see. What do you think? I can think about it. Put it in the back of your head. I'm already thinking about it. Okay. Put it in the back. Well, what advice would you have for aspiring authors? Don't listen to anything I just said.

[29:45]Robinne Lee: Write for yourself. No. Seriously, I think the reason I don't think when I was writing, I wasn't sure who would connect with this, but I knew that I connected with it. And it was so important to me to get this out. And I loved it so much. Like, every word I wrote, I loved it so much. And I really feel like it's important that you write what you want to write, and you fall in love with what you're writing, and you think only about your own happiness when you're writing. Because I think if you're writing for an audience or you're writing thinking like, oh, well, a market or who will buy this or how it will be. Like, I didn't even have a genre and people tell me a little bit. Like, I remember I first workshopped it in my writers group when it was I workshopped it at, like, different stages, like one one chapter, two chapters, four chapters, and then when it was finally complete. And after four chapters, had a girlfriend said, this is great. But, you know, in romance novels, there's, like, two or three love scenes that are soup to nuts and the other things are kind of vague. And you start here and then you stop and da da da. And I was like, what are you talking about? I was like, this isn't a romance novel. She's like, oh, it's not? And I was like, no. I like, I don't at that point, I didn't really read romance novels. I've read a bunch since because I have a lot of friends now who are authors who write romance novels. But it's like, I don't read romance novels. I don't know what the formula is. And she was like, Well, what kind of book is it? And I was like, It's a woman's story. She's like, So it's kind of woman's fiction. I was like, I guess. And she's like, well, her life has got to be messier. I was like, what? And she's like, she's got to be like more things just like crazy. And I thought that was something like I wasn't even thinking about a formula for any genre specifically. I was just writing one woman's story. Like, she's got this life. On the outside, it looks great. And for the most part, she's in control. And this guy comes into her life and turns everything upside down and in a good way, and then not a good way. And she survives.

[31:35]Zibby Owens: That's great. Well, thank you for this book, which obviously transported you and also transported me, not just emotionally, but to all the amazing places in the book, as I said. And really, it's exactly what I needed to read after a year of quarantine and no travel. And even LA, I used to be in LA all the time, and now we haven't been in over a year. And back at Barbarac and Centrope and, like, all these places, and it just was amazing. So Oh, gosh. You know, a life that none of us are leading right now. So I don't know. This I know it didn't just come out, but it's a good it's a really good book for now. So

[32:11]Robinne Lee: and whenever. But Thank you so much. I appreciate that. No problem. Well, thank you so much, Robin. I hope that you write even just a little, even a couple 100. No. Am. I'm writing I'm working on something now. It's just taking much longer than I ever thought it would take. But, you know, sometimes that happens. Take your time, yeah. Take my time. Take your Well

[32:32]Zibby Owens: thank you. I'm so glad to have connected with you. Thank you so much. All right. Take care. Take care. Thanks. Bye bye. Thanks for listening to this episode of Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books. Don't forget to follow me on Instagram at Zibby Owens and at moms don't have time to read books. Also, sign up for my newsletter at zibbyowens.com and sign up for my virtual book club and meet lots of authors on Zoom every other week. Thanks so much to Steve and Ryan at Texture Sound for the sound editing, and thank you to Morning Moon Productions for providing this fantastic intro and outro music.