Emma Straub, ALL ADULTS HERE
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[2:03]Happy independent bookstore day, everybody.
[2:05]I hope that you'll all try to find a little bit of time to pop into your favorite independent
[2:10]bookstore or order online from one of them.
[2:13]I have so many favorites.
[2:15]My favorites in New York City are books are magic, the Center for Fiction bookstore, Shakespeare
[2:21]and Co.
[2:22]I don't know.
[2:23]Bookstores.
[2:24]I could just live in them.
[2:25]McNally Jackson.
[2:26]I love.
[2:27]Anyway, enjoy the day.
[2:28]I thought to celebrate, I would release this episode with Emma Strob, who is the owner of
[2:33]Bookster Magic, and also, which is in Brooklyn, and also the well-known author of, well-known
[2:40]best-selling author.
[2:41]I should say, of four novels.
[2:43]Her most recent, which just came out in paperback, is called All Adults Here, and she's
[2:47]also written Modern Lovers, The Vacationers, and Laura Lamont's Life and Pictures, plus
[2:53]The Short Story Collection, Other People We Married.
[2:55]Her books have actually been published in 20 countries.
[2:58]So enjoy my episode with Emma.
[3:00]She talks a lot about what it's like owning a bookstore, picking the books, promoting the
[3:05]books, and all sorts of inside information that I found completely fascinating as someone
[3:10]who has been a long time worshipper of bookstores.
[3:14]And I have secret ambitions to someday open a bookstore, but I don't know.
[3:18]There's only so much time.
[3:19]Anyway, enjoy this day, and let's all celebrate the importance of independent bookstores
[3:24]and the role they play in communities.
[3:27]Welcome, Emma.
[3:28]Thank you so much for coming on, Mom.
[3:29]I'm starting to have time to read books.
[3:30]Thanks for having me.
[3:32]Congratulations on the paperback of All Adults Here.
[3:35]I see you're going on some big tour for that as well.
[3:37]How does it feel?
[3:38]Well, I mean, let's put, let's put going on some major air quotes here.
[3:45]I am going here, right, in my house.
[3:51]But the big difference between the pretend tour for my hardcover and the pretend tour
[3:58]for my paperback is that I have, in the last year, done two important things in my house.
[4:06]Number one, I put a door on my office.
[4:11]So now it closes and no one gets back.
[4:14]I'm in.
[4:15]Love it.
[4:16]And also, I organized my shelves behind me.
[4:21]I don't know why it literally, it took me 10 months of the pandemic to do this, where
[4:28]like, I mean, I do Zoomies, Zoomies all the time with like just smart writer friends
[4:35]of mine who have like their books displayed beautifully behind them.
[4:40]And I just was not on that level and I finally did it, I finally did it.
[4:48]You know what?
[4:49]You just have to acknowledge that you are obviously a slacker and that is you have to
[4:54]just own it.
[4:55]And that's just it.
[4:56]I mean, you know, it takes a while to line up all the editions of all your books.
[5:01]I mean, that is tough.
[5:03]I'm proud of you.
[5:08]I have to say my books used to be a total mess and that was until February.
[5:12]So that was 11 months of Zoomies.
[5:14]So I'm even worse than you.
[5:16]And that was only inspired by having COVID, getting out of bed after nine days and suddenly
[5:21]needing to touch like every book I owned for God knows what sort of psychological weird
[5:25]reason and then having them all on the floor and putting them back in the different order.
[5:29]Well, I'm glad you're all right.
[5:31]Thanks.
[5:32]Yeah.
[5:33]So you never know what's going to inspire people to read you their bookshelves.
[5:35]Right.
[5:36]But at least now I can see your beautiful book behind you.
[5:38]So there you go.
[5:39]Does it feel different talking about the book on paperback when everybody basically
[5:42]already knows what your book is about or not really?
[5:44]Yeah.
[5:45]I mean, it does.
[5:46]It does feel weird.
[5:48]I mean, the whole thing is so weird.
[5:49]Like the publishing a book.
[5:52]I don't know how it feels for you.
[5:55]But like to me, it feels sort of like a fever dream.
[6:00]Like something that is happening in some imaginary other place.
[6:08]And I own a book story.
[6:10]So like I know, like I am connected to like the physical reality of selling books more
[6:19]than most authors.
[6:20]And yet, even for me, it feels like this weird fuzzy, like cloud world that is not at
[6:28]all real.
[6:29]And it still feels that way even though yesterday, you know, Tuesdays are my day or my
[6:35]bookstore days right now.
[6:36]And I am in the bookstore all day, having like back to back meetings and like, you
[6:41]know, just bothering everyone to my heart's content.
[6:46]And even so like, I mean, you know, I opened like, you know, a couple of cases of my book
[6:51]and signed them all and even so it feels just bizarre.
[6:58]I think you are living like my dream come true by owning books or magic.
[7:02]No, I've always wanted to own a bookstore, which probably like every book loving person
[7:06]sort of does in their heart of hearts.
[7:08]But you actually got to do it.
[7:09]And I do want to discuss all the delts here, but I'm also just so obsessed with books
[7:13]or magic and the fact that you started this amazing bookstore.
[7:16]What made you actually do it versus everybody else who thinks about doing it?
[7:19]There are two answers to this.
[7:21]Number one is hormones.
[7:23]Okay.
[7:24]Now what I thought you would say, but okay, let's go with that.
[7:27]So okay.
[7:28]So that's my, so in my 20s, I worked at Bookport, which was our local bookstore here in
[7:34]Kabul, hell on Brooklyn for 35 years, family owned, I loved it.
[7:39]I loved it.
[7:40]It was my place, you know, and when I was very pregnant with our second child, my family
[7:52]moved closer to Bookport, again, we are living elsewhere in Brooklyn.
[7:56]And I, I mean, it sounds crazy to say that we moved to be closer to that bookstore, but
[8:03]it's not not true, you know, and so then I had a baby and we were at Bookport with
[8:13]the baby and the toddler and I was talking to this man who worked there and he told
[8:20]me that they were closing and that the owners had sold the building.
[8:24]And I just, I, I thought, well, that so that we have to do it then.
[8:29]I think it was just, it was in my head, it was either we could move again or we could
[8:36]open a bookstore and I am really not joking that in my somewhat deranged state thought
[8:44]it sounded easier and like less hassle to open a bookstore and run a small business, you
[8:55]know, forever, rather than move one time.
[8:58]So that's one answer.
[8:59]You're, you're, you're moving experiences and that's been terrible.
[9:03]Well, you must, I have to like send you a new mover or something.
[9:07]I'll give you a name of a really nice mover, I'll make your life easy.
[9:10]I mean, you know, it was like, oh my God, I mean, I don't know how much time we have here,
[9:15]but like, you know, I was, you know, I was eight months or I was seven months pregnant
[9:24]when we moved and then, yeah, it was just, it was, it was, it was a complicated time.
[9:31]But so the other reason is that I had, my husband and I had always sort of talked about
[9:36]it in the way that you just described it was sort of as this fantasy, I think that a lot
[9:40]of book people have and he was ready for a change.
[9:46]My husband, he, he had worked as a graphic designer for, you know, his whole professional
[9:51]career, mostly in books and, yeah, we just decided to go for it and it is.
[10:00]wild. I mean, it is it is wild. There are things about it that we were really good at right from
[10:09]the start and we had obviously so much like going into it. And then there are so many things
[10:19]that we were terrible at, that we have had to learn and improve and evolve and change it. Like
[10:29]the store will be four years old in a couple of weeks. And I just like, I cannot underestimate,
[10:39]or no, I can't I can't I can't overestimate the amount of stuff that we have learned in the last
[10:46]four years. Like it is, you know, it makes me understand and appreciate why people go to business school,
[10:53]which is something that I would never have done in one million years, even if you're taking it.
[10:59]I don't know. I went to business school and I don't think I took the right classes.
[11:05]Like I still I still would would need just as much help. You going to business school is not the
[11:12]fail safe. So don't don't regret that decision. But now like I read business books. I read business
[11:19]crazy. Like I was a poetry major. Like, you know, some business books are really good. I mean,
[11:26]some business books read like fiction even. Yeah. And I mean, I think that
[11:34]that one really absolutely unintended and unanticipated consequence of opening a bookstore is that
[11:43]my reading habits have changed. And one of the ways that they changed is that I do sometimes
[11:49]read business books, which I would never know. It's okay. I won't tell. I won't tell anybody.
[12:00]What else has changed about it? Do I mean, because one of the things about books are magic that I
[12:05]feel like makes a different from other bookstores is the curation of like what you even sell.
[12:09]Like it's already like, you've like taken the guesswork out of like picking a good quality,
[12:15]like literary ish awesome read, right? Which it's not necessarily the most mainstream,
[12:22]but it's going to be really well written, right? It's like you you've already passed a test
[12:27]if you're if your book is sold there. I actually don't even know if my anthology is sold there.
[12:30]And now I don't even want to know. All right. Okay, good. I'm going to have to come in.
[12:37]The world is starting again. I would love to. I haven't been since pre pandemic.
[12:40]But anyway, so the curation has that affected your own reading. Like do you
[12:46]how does it work? So so I at the beginning, I did all the buying. And now I do all the adult buying.
[12:54]We have a children's book buyer who is amazing. And just the kid's books. But now I do,
[13:03]I don't know, maybe 75% of the buying. And it's great. It's great. It's so much fun. It's so
[13:10]much fun because it's just like online shopping. Only you're doing it for like, you know, thousands
[13:20]of people. And so it doesn't have to be just my own taste, you know? And it's really fun. I mean,
[13:28]are just the people who shop in our store and the people who work in our store are so smart.
[13:35]They are so much smarter than I am. And it is such a pleasure to pick books that I know they're
[13:41]going to like. You know, if I was, if I was picking books that were just for me, it would be
[13:48]really boring. But I'm not, you know, I'm picking books for everybody. And it's, and it is really
[13:56]just a joy. But to answer your question. So in terms of what I read and how my reading habits
[14:02]have changed, it's now I read almost, almost everything I read is a galley, you know, of something
[14:10]that comes out in three months or six months. And my memory is a pathetic stave. And so I never remember
[14:19]anything. And so when someone asks me, you know, like in the old days on the book tour when you
[14:28]would be like traveling around and people would be like, what are you reading? I would just like,
[14:32]my mind would be like a black hole, a deep large black hole. But now it's sort of even worse
[14:38]because I can't remember and it's all stuff that doesn't come out for months and months and months.
[14:43]So it's like totally useless information almost always. But you know, it's, what's fun is that I,
[14:49]I get, I mean, like right now I'm reading the, you know, Colson Whitehead that comes out
[14:55]in the fall. And there are things like that, like things that just fall into my lap and I'm like,
[15:00]oh, it's like Christmas, you know, it's like a book that you would be delighted to read anytime.
[15:05]And then it just shows up and it's got your name on it. And it's really delightful.
[15:09]Wow. Well, I just, I bet it wouldn't be boring if the store was filled with what you like,
[15:14]but it's great that you're shopping for everybody too. That's awesome. So neat. I just feel like
[15:20]so many authors want to know like how to stand out at a bookstore, right? There's even in a bookstore
[15:26]like yours. It's so hard, right? Like any bookstore you go into. Sometimes there's just one book
[15:31]on pushed in the shelf with so many other books and like can you have it on the table? And where
[15:36]is it? And what's going to make somebody pull it out? And like, those are, you know, I've like
[15:40]never wanted, I always thought like my worst job ever that I could ever get would be to be like a
[15:45]major D at a restaurant because like how would you be able to like handle the timing and the people
[15:50]and where would you put everybody in like all those logistics? But I feel like the responsibility of
[15:55]even placing a book in a bookstore has such ramifications like or like an admissions officer in
[16:01]college. I could never do that either. Like what, what, what am I doing to these people's lives?
[16:06]It's not quite, you know, Harvard admissions where you're changing somebody's life. But it is true
[16:12]that if I buy one copy of something, it goes on the shelf and someone has to come in looking for it
[16:21]or looking in that section, right? But if I buy six of something or 12 of something, the bookseller
[16:30]really have no choice but to put it on the table because that's where it's going to fit. And if
[16:36]you put something on the table, people will buy it. You know, I mean, it's not like, you know, magic,
[16:44]like if we put like, I don't know, like some, there are books that would not sell in my bookstore
[16:51]for sure. Like if we put some, you know, conservative white man smoking a cigar, like one of those
[17:00]books, no one would touch it with the 10-foot pole. But if, if there's some book that is amazing that
[17:08]I know our customers are going to love and we put that on the table itself, which is
[17:15]does feel, you do feel a little bit drunk with power in a very, very good way.
[17:20]Wow. Well, you must get lots of people must try to like bribe you. I can't even imagine
[17:24]instead of stuff. No. No. Really? I feel like people would like be like, no, okay, I, I, good, great.
[17:32]I mean, the publisher is, you know, I think that there are ways in which the publishers sort of
[17:39]rewards you or it like gives you like credits basically based on like if you buy a certain number
[17:45]of books sometimes, you know, where it's like, you know, buy five and you get one free, that kind
[17:51]of thing. Like, but it's nothing, it's nothing very exciting or, and there's nothing gross about it.
[17:58]Like there's, there's nothing I have never had an author come in and try to like, you know,
[18:05]slip me a hundred bucks to put there. Well, I didn't mean cash or anything. I know. And I also,
[18:10]I didn't even mean the authors. I was thinking more of the publishers, not that they would
[18:14]put you cash. Never mind. Forget the question. You know what? You know what? It is 100% true
[18:21]that if an author comes in to our store and is terrific. I won't name names, but I will,
[18:31]maybe I should have, if I'm just saying nice things. I don't know. But I don't want, no,
[18:34]I won't name names, but like there's one author who came into the store as she was a debut.
[18:41]She came into the store on her book tour a couple of years ago. And she brought like a giant
[18:50]package of Korean face masks for everybody. And we were all like, will you marry us? Like,
[18:57]she was just like, it wasn't like gross. It was just like, for the bookseller, sometimes people
[19:03]bake, sometimes people send us cookies. And I am all for that kind of bribery. Like bribery,
[19:10]that directly makes my booksellers happy. I am a thousand percent for a thousand percent.
[19:18]I'm on the flip side. And those are also people, those are also the people who send thank you
[19:23]notes. People who send thank you notes. I will, I order more of their books. If people come in and
[19:30]are jerks, I'm not going to order as many copies of their next book. I'm not like, it really is
[19:37]like, it's it's up to me. You know, it is up to me. It is not, there's no like corporate
[19:42]overlord who is telling me that I need to support this author who is an asshole. Can I say
[19:50]asshole? Sorry. Yeah, you can see. You know, there's no corporate overlord who is in charge,
[19:55]who I have to sort of run things by. And so if I think somebody is
[20:00]So it is not cool in some way.
[20:03]I don't mean not cool as it like an uncool, again.
[20:06]Yeah.
[20:07]Then yeah, they don't get a stack.
[20:09]No way.
[20:10]That is very interesting.
[20:11]I love getting thinking of it.
[20:12]I get a lot of handwritten thinking of it's just
[20:14]when I have somebody on my podcast.
[20:16]I'm like, that is so nice.
[20:17]I, it's just so nice.
[20:19]It like always makes my day.
[20:20]Not to like try to solicit more things.
[20:22]No, you should.
[20:23]You should.
[20:24]I mean, listen.
[20:26]But it is.
[20:26]It's like a lost art.
[20:27]And it always, like getting mail.
[20:29]It's like when you're a kid, right?
[20:30]You just, it just like always makes your day
[20:32]like it can for something like you get a package, right?
[20:34]It's like, I don't know.
[20:36]Anyway, okay, well, sorry.
[20:37]I really wanted to talk to you about the bookstore.
[20:40]So I just use this podcast for myself, essentially.
[20:43]But I'm assuming if I'm interested, other people are interested.
[20:46]Because selling books is like, I don't know.
[20:49]Especially today, it's like with everything
[20:51]being closed for the last year.
[20:52]And oh my gosh.
[20:53]Anyway, it's like a miracle that books can still sell.
[20:58]Anyway, are you doing anything special?
[20:59]Last question about the bookstore for independent books
[21:01]today, because I think I'm going to release this
[21:03]on independent books today.
[21:03]I've just said we are, we've got some stuff to give away.
[21:09]We are, you know, it's, it's a weird year
[21:14]because we don't, I mean, it sounds so backwards,
[21:17]but we don't really want to encourage more people
[21:21]than usual to come, right?
[21:23]So like, we don't want there to be more people in the store
[21:27]than would normally be in the store.
[21:30]You know, on the weekends, there's always a line
[21:31]out the door anyway, where people wait to come in,
[21:35]which is nice.
[21:36]But we have some new merch that we are going to put on sale
[21:41]and some fun stuff like that.
[21:44]But yeah, just stay tuned to bookstore magic BK on Instagram.
[21:48]I use my bookstore magic mug all the time, by the way.
[21:52]I should, I posted a picture a long time.
[21:53]ago, but I should post another instant, but you know,
[21:55]not that you need nothing, but just FYI love it.
[21:59]I love it.
[21:59]Thank you.
[22:01]Thank you.
[22:02]OK, so your book for our last two minutes,
[22:05]all adults here, well, so beautifully written.
[22:09]I feel like I know this family, like I could like run into them.
[22:12]This whole bus accident that secrets the train ride of that,
[22:17]like even the way you talk about driving in a taxi,
[22:21]like in the backseat and having to get there
[22:24]and be accompanied in her feeling like crazy.
[22:26]I feel like I used to always do these like unaccompanied trips
[22:29]where my parents were always just like sending my brother
[22:31]and me places and we were like, oh my gosh.
[22:33]So it like made me think back to that.
[22:35]Just tell listeners a little bit more about the book
[22:38]and like why did you write the book?
[22:40]What made you write all adults here?
[22:41]Sure.
[22:42]Well, you know, I think that I would say a common misconception
[22:46]is that people, is that writers are sort of like experts
[22:50]about things and write books because they want to tell people
[22:53]stuff, right?
[22:54]I feel like I write things in order to understand them.
[23:00]And this book is very much about understanding
[23:04]how to be a parent and how to be a sibling
[23:07]and how to be an adult child of an aging person
[23:11]and just how to navigate life when you are making mistakes, which
[23:20]we all do all the time.
[23:23]I think as a person in this sort of sandwich generation,
[23:28]I think about it all the time where my parents
[23:31]are getting older, I have small children.
[23:34]And so I feel pulled in both directions.
[23:38]And like when my parents live like about a five-minute walk
[23:44]that direction.
[23:45]And it's like when you walk into your parent,
[23:51]my parents don't live in the house that I grew up in.
[23:54]But even so, like when I walk into my parents' apartment,
[23:58]I kick my shoes off wherever.
[24:02]I like take off my clothes, like I drop things everywhere.
[24:07]I just open the fridge.
[24:09]Like I just, I treat it like it's my space
[24:12]and like I'm a teenager.
[24:15]And I think they do because my mom still
[24:18]likes the way she did it when I was a child.
[24:20]We're like, I'll be sitting somewhere
[24:22]and all of a sudden there will be like a little bowl
[24:24]of Clementine's right next to me or something.
[24:26]You know, like she's still mothering me
[24:29]because I'm still her child.
[24:31]Even though I'm 40 years old and I have my own two children.
[24:36]So that's really what the book is about.
[24:39]I guess to answer your question.
[24:40]Well, those are like the most relatable things in the world.
[24:44]Like everybody is dealing with all of that stuff.
[24:47]You know, even the way you write about parenting in the book,
[24:49]like I'm forgetting his name with the brother who goes
[24:53]to the diner just to escape his crazy twins
[24:56]and just like hide out there.
[24:57]And I'm like, oh, it's only like moms could sneak out
[25:00]to a diner in the morning and just be like,
[25:02]well, not to generalize their many men who were never meant.
[25:05]But you know, if only I could do.
[25:08]I think there's some warnings when everybody would love
[25:11]to just hang out at the local diner.
[25:13]You know, read the paper and all of that.
[25:15]What are you working on next?
[25:17]What's coming next from you?
[25:18]Bookwise.
[25:19]On a novel, I just, I just got notes back on my first draft
[25:23]of my next novel from my editor.
[25:26]And so I'm trying to synthesize them.
[25:30]I think we're gonna talk tomorrow or later this week about them.
[25:35]But yeah, I'm, I don't know when it'll be out, you know,
[25:38]but, but it's, you're gonna order 12 coffees of them.
[25:42]I'm gonna go in on the table.
[25:44]So man, I think it's going on the table.
[25:48]It is going on the first viewer.
[25:51]Can you say anything about it?
[25:52]Like a little sneak peek of any kind.
[25:56]It's a time travel book.
[25:57]It's a time travel book.
[25:59]It's a time travel book.
[26:00]Okay.
[26:02]All right.
[26:03]It's New York City.
[26:05]It's the Upper West Side.
[26:07]It's high school and time travel and death and love.
[26:12]Oh, love it.
[26:14]You know, what, what more can you want?
[26:15]That's perfect.
[26:17]Oh, and a little Zabars and you've got the whole thing covered.
[26:20]Excellent.
[26:20]Do you have any advice for aspiring authors?
[26:23]Finish it, finish it, finish it.
[26:26]If you don't finish it, whatever it is that you're trying to write.
[26:30]If you're trying to write an essay, if you're trying to write a memoir,
[26:32]if you're trying to write a story, if you're trying to write a novel,
[26:34]if you're trying to write a screenplay.
[26:36]If you don't finish it, then you can never make it good.
[26:40]I know a lot of aspiring writers who are perfectionists.
[26:46]Perfection is the enemy.
[26:49]Don't worry about that.
[26:52]Just finish it and then make it good.
[26:55]Okay. Great. Finish it.
[26:57]We will.
[27:00]Well, thank you.
[27:00]By the way, if you have any interest,
[27:02]I have this new site on Medium Called Moms and I'm Time to Write.
[27:05]If you have any interest in writing anything for independent bookstore day,
[27:08]we could publish it that day.
[27:10]I thought that might be fun.
[27:11]Actually, it wasn't even my idea.
[27:12]But anyway, if you have any interest,
[27:13]would love for you to do that.
[27:14]Your phones started ringing.
[27:15]I think it's my next.
[27:17]I have another interview that's right this moment.
[27:19]Okay, sorry.
[27:20]We'll talk.
[27:21]I'm going to email you about this last week.
[27:23]Don't let me tell me.
[27:24]Okay. Thank you so much.
[27:26]Much of pleasure, Zabby.
[27:27]Thank you so much for watching.
[27:28]Thank you so much for having me.
[27:30]Bye.
[27:31]Have a good day.
[27:32]You too, bye-bye.
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