Janet Evanovich, FORTUNE AND GLORY
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[2:33]Janet Ivanovich is the number one New York Times best selling author
[2:38]of the Stephanie Plum series, the co-author of Fox and O'Hare series,
[2:43]the Night and Moon series and the Lizzie and Diesel series,
[2:46]as well as 12 romance novels, the Alexandra Barnaby novels,
[2:50]troublemaker graphic novel, and how I write secrets of a best selling author,
[2:54]which I feel like I should now go by.
[2:56]Her latest book, which we're going to discuss today, is called Fortune and Glory,
[3:00]Tantalizing 27, which is a Stephanie Plum novel.
[3:04]Welcome, Janet.
[3:04]Thank you so much for coming on momstone of time to read books.
[3:07]My pleasure, fun to be here.
[3:09]So Tantalizing 27, your latest book in the Stephanie Plum series, Fortune and Glory,
[3:16]congratulations on this one.
[3:18]Are you still getting excited when this is the 27th book in a series?
[3:21]Do you still get excited for pub day and all of that?
[3:24]Yeah, I do.
[3:25]I usually get a little bit more excited why I can actually do book tour and go out and
[3:30]see everybody.
[3:31]So this is a new experience for me, all this virtual stuff.
[3:34]But it's fun to have it out there because that's why you write the book.
[3:37]So then other people can read it.
[3:39]And especially for me because I think of myself as being the fun author.
[3:45]You know, I don't kill any good people and this book only bad people.
[3:49]Yeah, so I look forward to it.
[3:51]I mean, you might argue that killing people at all does not make you a fun author.
[3:55]Just saying.
[3:59]There's somebody dies at all.
[4:02]So I read a lot about your background and how you got started and how your
[4:09]menu tips are rejected and your romance novel career.
[4:12]And I would just like to hear a little more from you about how you became sort of this
[4:16]powerhouse author of this hugely successful best-selling series in such an unexpected way
[4:24]if I were to tell you at age, I don't know, 20 that this is what would happen.
[4:27]So can you tell me a little more about getting started and sort of how you kept the resolve
[4:32]to keep going?
[4:33]Yeah, I was this amazing overnight success that took 20 years.
[4:37]I, you know, I wasn't published until I was in my 40s.
[4:41]And switch is amazing since, you know, I'm only 35 now.
[4:44]So exactly.
[4:45]Yeah, I was always the kid that could draw.
[4:48]I was not a big reader.
[4:51]I read comic books.
[4:52]I love comic books.
[4:53]I still have a subscription to Uncle Scrooge.
[4:56]So, you know, being a writer was not, was not something that I thought about as a kid
[5:02]or in high school or even in college.
[5:04]I was always, you know, a visual artist.
[5:07]And then I had a couple kids and I was at home and painting just wasn't working for me.
[5:13]And what I realized is that what I always loved about painting was telling the story
[5:19]about the picture I was doing.
[5:22]And I loved reading stories to my kids.
[5:26]And all of a sudden, you know, it was like this Thunderbolt moment, you know, that hit me.
[5:31]God, maybe I should be telling stories instead of painting pictures.
[5:35]And but I had no background.
[5:36]I didn't know anyone who was a published author.
[5:40]I had very small, you know, literary background.
[5:44]I think I had, you know, like English 101 in college.
[5:47]And so, you know, it took me a long time to learn my skills to figure out where I wanted to go.
[5:54]I started out writing bizarre books because, you know, as a student in the Douglas College
[6:00]Art Department, and, you know, I had teachers like Roy Lichtenstein and, you know, big guys
[6:06]that were really kind of out there.
[6:09]And so, you know, it took me a long time to figure out what I wanted to say, who I was,
[6:17]where where my voice was.
[6:19]And the difference was that after about 10 years of sending out stories and not having any success
[6:27]at all, I realized that it wasn't enough for me to write for myself.
[6:32]Yeah, I love to write.
[6:33]I enjoy it.
[6:33]I get up in the morning and I go into my own world, you know, it's the world's best job.
[6:39]You sit in this chair, you know, at 5 30 in the morning, and I go into, you know, some place,
[6:46]it's almost like being an actress and assuming another role.
[6:50]And so, what I realized is that if people weren't reading it, it didn't, it wasn't any fun for me.
[6:57]It wasn't enough that I was enjoying it.
[7:00]And when I realized that what I wanted to do was to write for other people and not for myself,
[7:06]I mean, that just made a huge difference.
[7:08]I started looking at audience and what books I was reading and I was a young mother, you know,
[7:14]and so I knew about love and relationships and happiness and that was where I started with
[7:20]the little romance novels that I was reading.
[7:22]And then after about five years, actually, after about three years of that,
[7:27]because I was writing, I needed money.
[7:29]Steve, by then my kids were looking at college and my husband has a doctor in mathematics.
[7:35]He, you know, he has a good job, but we were competing with two income families and I was a state
[7:42]at home mom.
[7:43]So I really needed to get smarter about it.
[7:46]So not only did I have an audience to read my books, but I could, you know, help out with the
[7:51]family income.
[7:52]And that was when I, you know, turned to the romance novels halfway through that.
[7:57]My son was at Dartmouth and the romance novels were not making enough money.
[8:02]And I wasn't reaching enough audience.
[8:04]So I was a, it was a very finite audience that I had with romance novels.
[8:10]So I decided to go into crime fiction.
[8:12]I had little, little snippets of adventures and crimes creeping into my romances.
[8:19]Anyway, I had a hard time with 300 pages of relationship.
[8:25]It just, you know, it just, it wasn't my thing.
[8:28]There were many things I loved about romance and I tried to bring them over into the mystery genre.
[8:33]And so, you know, I wrote romance for, I guess it was five years, did 12 books.
[8:41]And then took a year off and tried to retool and figure out where I wanted to go and
[8:46]decided that it was in crime fiction.
[8:48]And what I was going to do was I was going to take all the things I loved about romance
[8:51]and squash it into a mystery format.
[8:54]And that's what I did.
[8:55]And sold the first book to Scribner had a fantastic editor, really nice lady.
[9:01]She thought she was buying a mystery.
[9:03]I wanted to watch so much of a mystery.
[9:05]It really was kind of a sexy book with some romance in it and some, you know,
[9:11]characters that I found interesting that I knew I said it.
[9:16]I knew I wanted to do a series.
[9:19]So I said it in New Jersey because that's what I know.
[9:21]And I gave my heroine Stephanie Plum a lot of my own history.
[9:27]So I knew where she was going.
[9:28]I put it in Trenton.
[9:29]I spent a lot of time in Trenton.
[9:31]My parents lived just outside of Trenton at the time.
[9:35]And I, that first book did not get me a lot of money.
[9:38]But, you know, it got me a start.
[9:41]I didn't sell a lot of books.
[9:42]Mostly I sold them to my relatives and my neighbors.
[9:46]But, you know, by the second book it started to pick up.
[9:49]And by the third book, I was learning a lot about myself and a lot about where I wanted to go.
[9:55]and a lot about my audience.
[9:57]And, you know, I mean, and the audience is the best.
[10:00]I love my audience.
[10:01]I mean, when I have signings that I go out,
[10:03]I get to meet everybody, it's amazing.
[10:06]I mean, whole families will come out to say hello to me,
[10:10]for generations and husbands.
[10:13]And the husbands say things like,
[10:16]I finally read one of your books and I really liked it.
[10:19]You know, like they were shocked
[10:20]because their wives had been reading me
[10:23]and they had been laughing in bed.
[10:26]And finally, they took a look at it
[10:29]to see what it was to.
[10:30]So I don't know.
[10:31]I probably answered about 15 questions now
[10:34]because once I get started,
[10:35]especially about how this all happened to me
[10:38]because I'm the American dream.
[10:40]My grandparents immigrated to this country
[10:43]as indentured servants, domestics and factory workers.
[10:48]And my dad and mom were the first to graduate from high school.
[10:53]My dad worked in a factory.
[10:54]My mom was a homemaker.
[10:56]And I was the first to graduate from college.
[10:59]We didn't have money for me to live in a dorm.
[11:01]I commuted.
[11:02]I was a community student at the state college in New Jersey.
[11:06]And it was an arts student.
[11:07]Hate to admit this on air,
[11:09]but sort of supported myself with some shoplifting
[11:12]of groceries and supplies when I had to, you know.
[11:16]And here I am.
[11:18]And you know, it's amazing.
[11:20]It's this is a fantastic country.
[11:24]You know, I'm the proof of the opportunity
[11:26]that you can have.
[11:27]I've been very lucky.
[11:28]It's so nice to hear you say that
[11:29]because I feel like it's the American dream right now
[11:33]is like this elusive concept.
[11:35]And I feel like it's so much less attainable
[11:38]than it used to be.
[11:39]I feel like it seems so impossible to achieve it.
[11:43]So it's so nice to see an example,
[11:44]particularly from a woman who's saying like,
[11:46]look, I can do this.
[11:47]And so can you.
[11:48]That's amazing.
[11:49]Yeah, absolutely.
[11:51]No, I think the American dream.
[11:53]I think that's, I think it's a lot of baloney out there
[11:57]that the American dream is not achievable.
[11:59]I think it's more achievable than ever before.
[12:02]It's that people are trying to tell us that it isn't.
[12:06]And we don't hear about all of the successes.
[12:10]We have a tendency to have people, you know,
[12:13]out there with a lot of the negatives.
[12:16]That's not a bad thing because we need to, you know,
[12:20]like broaden the scope of what's available to people.
[12:23]But I mean, you know, my gosh,
[12:25]we have so many opportunities in this country
[12:28]and look at the standard of living that we have.
[12:31]And the standard of living that, you know, that we can have,
[12:34]that we can, you know, bring out into even more people,
[12:39]the health care that we have.
[12:40]I mean, the fact that in such a short amount of time,
[12:44]we found better ways to treat COVID.
[12:48]We have a vaccine right on the horizon.
[12:51]I mean, unheard of, you know, just amazing.
[12:55]And what I find really, really fantastic
[12:59]is that when COVID hit, I mean,
[13:02]it just did terrible things to the economy.
[13:04]And there are a lot of people out there,
[13:06]all those little small businesses that are just dying,
[13:10]you know, they're just struggling to survive.
[13:13]And at the same time, there are a lot of people
[13:16]that took the American spirit and said,
[13:18]you know, I can make some money out of this.
[13:20]I'm gonna start making masks.
[13:22]I'm going to do takeout in my restaurant.
[13:25]I'm going to deliver curbside.
[13:28]I'm going to, so there's still a lot of opportunity out there.
[13:34]Maybe it's not as available to everyone, but it's there.
[13:38]And I think, you know, I'm a real believer
[13:42]in the American spirit.
[13:44]And I just think, you know, it's there
[13:47]and people are gonna find it.
[13:49]And you know, you have to persevere.
[13:51]I mean, I was, it took me, oh, gosh,
[13:54]at least 10 years to get published.
[13:57]I started writing in my 30s, all this bizarre stuff,
[14:01]sending it out, nothing.
[14:03]I mean, I had, I started collecting rejection slips.
[14:08]And I started out in a little shoe box.
[14:11]And then it got to be a bigger box.
[14:13]And after 10 years of rejections,
[14:16]I mean, I had rejections that were written
[14:18]on bar napkins and crayon.
[14:20]I, you know, it was, it was bad.
[14:23]And after 10 years of rejections, I gave up.
[14:26]I went out and sat on the curb in front of my house
[14:30]with this big box and cried my eyes out
[14:34]and burned every rejection.
[14:35]And I wish I hadn't done that,
[14:37]because, you know, I would have liked to have had them now.
[14:41]And the next day, I borrowed a suit from my sister.
[14:44]And I went out and I got a job with manpower.
[14:47]And I worked at manpower for, I don't remember.
[14:49]I think it was maybe three, four months.
[14:52]And I had given up, I mean, it was my dream.
[14:55]And it was crushed because we needed the money.
[14:58]I just didn't feel like I could keep going anymore.
[15:01]And so I was, after work, I went to pick my daughter up
[15:05]at an ice skating rink.
[15:07]She was ice skating.
[15:09]And I was standing there waiting for her.
[15:11]And my husband and my son came up.
[15:14]And they put their arms around me.
[15:16]And they said, your editor just called.
[15:19]And I mean, this was what 100 years ago.
[15:22]And I can't think about it without,
[15:25]you know, without getting very emotional
[15:27]because it was like, you know,
[15:29]there was my dream, my dream came back.
[15:32]And my life just started over.
[15:34]You know, it was, and that was, you know,
[15:37]I paid $2,000 on that first book.
[15:39]And at the very next day, I went into the office
[15:42]with a box of doughnuts.
[15:44]And I left it at the office.
[15:46]And I took my hairspray, my extra pair of shoes.
[15:49]And I went home.
[15:50]I just, right there, I just quit.
[15:52]I just walked right out.
[15:54]And then I didn't sell another book for a couple years.
[15:57]We sort of had a give up eating orange
[15:58]just to make ends meet.
[16:00]But eventually I started getting multiple contracts.
[16:03]And you know, it just, and here I am.
[16:06]Wow.
[16:07]What a story that's so amazing.
[16:10]That's just, I mean, it's so inspiring.
[16:12]My hope when you were telling it might,
[16:14]like I had goosebumps everywhere.
[16:15]That's amazing.
[16:17]It's been good.
[16:18]Congratulations on like, and the role modeling of all of it
[16:21]is just great to shows, right?
[16:23]Like if you just stay with it
[16:25]and you keep doing something that you love,
[16:27]it's eventually it will pay off in some way, shape, perform.
[16:30]I mean, yours was a particularly big payoff.
[16:32]I will grant you that, but still, right?
[16:35]Tell me a little more about starting with the romances
[16:38]and how, for instance, your son of Dartmouth felt knowing
[16:42]those scenes were out there.
[16:44]I read that you said somewhere
[16:45]that you stopped writing romance
[16:47]when you ran out of positions to put your cares in.
[16:50]And so tell me a little more about that
[16:53]and sort of being a mom
[16:55]and having all this sort of sexualized content out there.
[16:59]Well, you know, it wasn't that sexualized.
[17:01]I mean, as a romance writer,
[17:04]it was a very positive genre,
[17:06]which is one of the things that I love about it.
[17:08]And it's one of the things that I think
[17:10]is such a great reflection of women, you know,
[17:12]because we're nurturers and we are, you know,
[17:16]we try to be positive people.
[17:18]And it was a positive genre.
[17:21]You know, the romances ended happily.
[17:23]They were about basically good people.
[17:25]I didn't have to kill anybody in a romance, you know?
[17:28]And so when I started doing this,
[17:32]I think initially my family was a little embarrassed.
[17:36]Like, oh God, you know, mom is writing this book
[17:39]and my husband, you know, is this a reflection on me?
[17:43]Well, it turned out that it was actually
[17:45]a very good reflection.
[17:47]My son was very popular in college.
[17:50]This is mother.
[17:51]We told everybody his mother was writing soft porn.
[17:54]You know, and that was good.
[17:56]That was good for him.
[17:57]My husband found out that he'd be in the elevator
[18:01]and women would come in and would want to talk to him, you know?
[18:05]And I noticed that his tie started getting a little flashier
[18:09]and he really milked it, you know, when I eventually moved over
[18:14]into the mystery genre and I started with Plum, you know,
[18:18]then he could tell everybody he was actually ranger
[18:21]and, you know, everything was patterned after him.
[18:24]I mean, my family really got into it.
[18:26]And, you know, we all work together now.
[18:28]We're a little family business.
[18:30]So I saw that so you have even a van of its ink, right?
[18:34]Yeah.
[18:35]And so what does everybody do?
[18:36]And how do you make sure to work together in a seamless way?
[18:39]Well, we all have different talents,
[18:42]but at the same time we all were sort of like water, you know,
[18:45]when there's an opening, we flow into it.
[18:47]We really, we don't, there's not a lot of ego involved.
[18:51]We actually like each other.
[18:53]We pretty much live together.
[18:55]We move around like a little herd.
[18:57]In the beginning, it was that my daughter went to film
[19:01]and photography school, Brooks in California.
[19:04]And she had some aspirations of her own
[19:08]and then decided that maybe that wasn't who she was.
[19:11]But at the time, websites were, you know,
[19:13]the computer was just starting to really have an influence.
[19:17]And she said, you know, you're sort of halfway supporting me
[19:21]while I'm doing my thing in San Francisco.
[19:24]Why don't I set up a website for you?
[19:26]So she started my very first website.
[19:30]And it became a full-time job for her
[19:32]because she turned it into this entertainment site,
[19:35]really helped to grow my audience made it fun,
[19:38]made it a lot more fun.
[19:40]So that was initially what she did.
[19:42]My son is brilliant and he took over a family finances.
[19:47]He had some legal experience.
[19:50]So he was the contract reader, as was my husband
[19:53]and everybody edited.
[19:55]They were all my first editors and they still are,
[19:58]as we went along.
[20:00]They sort of modified their roles until now,
[20:04]my husband is still editing.
[20:06]He's still reading contracts.
[20:08]He's keeps track of foreign sales and that kind of thing.
[20:12]But my son and my daughter are doing more creative things.
[20:15]They're still my editors.
[20:17]But they edited me for so many years
[20:19]that they picked up a lot of writing skills.
[20:22]And so my son has been working as a co-author with me.
[20:25]He actually has been a co-author for longer
[20:29]than people realized because when books would come in
[20:32]and they weren't exactly in my voice.
[20:35]And they just needed some extra help.
[20:37]Peter and Alex would jump in.
[20:39]And they would do some writing for me
[20:42]because I had a pretty heavy schedule
[20:44]just doing original writing.
[20:46]So they really did a very heavy editing job
[20:50]for me for several years.
[20:52]And now they're branching out.
[20:54]They're doing their own thing.
[20:55]Alex is in charge of everything
[20:58]that is on the computer, all my media.
[21:00]She interfaces with publishers and publicists and my agent.
[21:05]And she's really the one that says,
[21:08]your fans aren't going like this.
[21:10]Because she always toured with me in the early years.
[21:14]She was the one who read the emails.
[21:17]She was the one who got in the lines and talked to people
[21:20]when I only had a couple minutes.
[21:23]When I was doing the big book tours,
[21:25]I'd have two, three thousand people out at a night.
[21:28]And we'd start signing at 5.30
[21:30]and we'd ended two in the morning.
[21:32]And so I was moving people along pretty fast saying,
[21:36]hi, how are you?
[21:37]And would you like your name on this?
[21:40]And then they'd have to move along.
[21:43]But Alex was there and Alex got to go down the line
[21:47]and she got to talk to everybody
[21:48]and made friends and exchange Christmas cards
[21:53]and found out what they thought and what they liked
[21:55]and what they didn't like and what they wanted to see.
[21:59]And so she's just been huge in the development
[22:03]of my career, the Plum series,
[22:05]some little side series that we've done
[22:08]just to give me some variety for fun.
[22:10]And unfortunately, I'd like to clone myself
[22:12]so I could do more of those side series.
[22:16]So it turns out that the secret weapon
[22:19]in your whole crime series is your children.
[22:21]That's pretty awesome.
[22:23]How high are we going to go with this Stephanie Plum series?
[22:26]Do you have like a number?
[22:28]Are you stopping 30 or is this an indefinite amount?
[22:30]And then also what's like the next project
[22:32]to come out after this one?
[22:35]No, I don't have a number.
[22:36]As long as I'm enjoying it,
[22:37]I'm going to keep doing it.
[22:39]And as long as people out there buying the books,
[22:43]I don't have, the difficult thing is
[22:46]these two guys in Stephanie Plum's life
[22:48]because there's this tendency.
[22:52]You just, you know, we wanted to make a choice.
[22:54]You wanted to know and have babies
[22:57]and live happily ever after, you know, just like I did.
[23:00]And but that doesn't work in that series.
[23:04]It's kind of takes the fun.
[23:05]The fun of it is the adventure,
[23:07]the not knowing the choices that she has
[23:12]and the life that she can have that,
[23:14]you know, the rest of us really can.
[23:16]We would be scandalous if we did.
[23:18]So I don't have any set number for her.
[23:21]The next book that's coming out is one of the co-author books.
[23:24]It's the bounty.
[23:25]It's in the Fox and O'Hare series.
[23:27]And it has a new co-author.
[23:29]I've had a lot of co-authors.
[23:31]I go through, I'm like, you know, death on co-authors.
[23:35]I think, I don't know.
[23:36]I don't know how James Patterson does it.
[23:39]He keeps these same great co-authors
[23:41]and he goes on to infinity.
[23:44]And my, you know, my co-authors are with me
[23:47]for a, they're all friends is, you know,
[23:50]part of the problem, you know, Lee Goldberg.
[23:52]I knew him for years, same with Beep Sutton.
[23:54]And they come on board and we have some fun
[23:56]and we write a bunch of books.
[23:58]And then they say, you know, I think I'm gonna go,
[24:00]you know, be like a big shot in television again
[24:03]because they were all, you know, A-list sitcom writers.
[24:07]And so I have a new co-author on this book.
[24:10]The last co-author in the film series,
[24:13]in the Fox and O'Hare series.
[24:15]My son jumped in and did,
[24:17]and he did that at the last minute
[24:18]that book almost didn't come out and Peter said,
[24:21]okay, I can do it and stopped his life
[24:25]for about two and a half months
[24:27]and helped us get the book out.
[24:28]This book is, you know, in another new direction.
[24:32]And so that comes out in March.
[24:34]And then after that, I have a spin off
[24:37]from this book that's out there right now.
[24:40]It's about a woman Gabriela Rose.
[24:43]And she's, I wanted to do,
[24:45]whenever I do these little mini series,
[24:48]I always like to do something
[24:50]that the heroine is very different from Stephanie Plum.
[24:53]Just to give myself a break and, you know,
[24:56]so I can have some fun too.
[24:58]And what I find is that when I go into someone
[25:00]other woman's head other than Stephanie Plum
[25:02]and then I go back to Plum,
[25:04]I always know a little bit more about her
[25:06]because of what I've learned about this other person.
[25:10]So that book should come out sometime in the summer.
[25:12]It's about Gabriela Rose.
[25:15]All right, exciting.
[25:16]So what advice would you have to aspiring authors?
[25:20]You know, if it's important to you, just don't give up.
[25:22]Keep trying to do better.
[25:24]Keep learning, join a professional organization
[25:28]like international thriller writers, romance writers of America.
[25:32]And that really helps because it allows you to get a peer group.
[25:36]It allows you to learn some things about agents
[25:38]and the process and publishers.
[25:41]But basically it's, you know,
[25:43]you gotta keep your ass in the chair.
[25:45]You really do.
[25:46]You have to, I like to tell people, you know,
[25:50]it's like a job.
[25:52]It's like, you know, if you took a job working
[25:54]as 7-Eleven and they expected you to be there
[25:57]for three hours, you know, at seven o'clock at night,
[26:01]you'd do it.
[26:02]You'd get there.
[26:02]It wouldn't matter.
[26:03]You know, if you had a cold, you'd show up anyway
[26:04]and take some pills.
[26:06]And writing is like that.
[26:08]If you wanna do it, you think of yourself as a writer.
[26:11]When people say, what do you do?
[26:12]You say, I'm a writer, you know, I'm not published,
[26:15]but I'm a writer.
[26:17]And every day, if it's only for a half an hour,
[26:19]you sit down and you're right,
[26:20]because that momentum is very important.
[26:24]It's important that you believe in yourself,
[26:26]even when you have 10 years of failure like I do.
[26:29]I mean, you know, look at me.
[26:31]I was rejected for 10 years and I was not giving up.
[26:37]So until you make my 10-year mark, you know,
[26:41]don't worry about it, just keep going.
[26:44]And be ready to forego oranges
[26:46]for as long as necessary, I guess.
[26:48]I have to do what you have to do.
[26:51]Well, thank you, Janet.
[26:52]Thank you so much.
[26:53]It's such a privilege to chat with you and hear the backstory
[26:55]and all of your encouraging remarks
[26:58]from the American Dream to your first novel to everything.
[27:01]So thank you for sharing your time with me
[27:03]and with my audience.
[27:05]You know, your welcome was great being here.
[27:07]Okay, you too.
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