Tiler Peck, KATARINA BALLERINA
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[1:36]Tyler Peck is the co-author of Katarina Ballerina. She is an international ballerina herself and has
[1:42]been a principal dancer with the New York City Ballets since 2009. She has been seen on Broadway
[1:47]in On the Town and the Music Man and originated the role of Marie in the Kennedy Center's
[1:53]production of Little Dancer alongside Kyle Harris, who's the co-author. Miss Peck performed for
[1:58]President Obama at the 2012 and 2014 Kennedy Center Honors. Miss Peck has guessed it on dancing
[2:05]with the stars twice and appeared on Julie Andrews' Netflix series Julie's Green Room. She's the recipient
[2:11]of the 2013 Princess Grace Statue Award and was named one of Forbes' 30 under 30 in Hollywood
[2:17]Entertainment. Most recently, she was the first woman to curate three performances, titled
[2:22]Ballet Now, at the Los Angeles Music Center and is the subject of a documentary directed by Stephen
[2:27]Cantor and produced by Elizabeth Moss for Hulu. She lives in New York City with her dog,
[2:32]Kelly. Welcome, Tyler. Thanks so much for coming on my show. Thank you for having me.
[2:37]No, this is such a treat. Oh my gosh. You're like, world famous ballerina. It's amazing.
[2:43]The best part though are your Instagram classes and I tell me about it like how you,
[2:49]I want to hear about your book, Katarina Ballerina, but your Instagram during quarantine and
[2:54]starting classes and Josh Groban popping by, tell me about all of that. Yeah, it's really
[3:00]become something so incredible. I started it out just because I need to just continue staying in
[3:07]shape to get in, you know, to stay in New York City Ballet shape. And so I need to do class
[3:12]every single day. So when the quarantine hit and I thought, okay, I need to give myself class,
[3:18]I thought, I bet there are so many people stuck at home, like going crazy with nothing to do.
[3:25]And so many of their normal classes are probably canceled. So I thought, I might as well,
[3:30]I'd never done an Instagram live. And I thought, I think this is how you do it. I'll just push the
[3:35]button. I'll see how it goes. Maybe there will be like five people dancing with me. And then I
[3:41]didn't even know what the numbers meant. Honestly, I didn't know what it meant. And then when I,
[3:46]somebody said, you know, oh, there was like, you know, 1,500 people dancing with you today. And
[3:51]I thought, how incredible. And then I started getting messages from all around the world. People
[3:57]in Iran, South Africa, Australia, you can't like everybody. And that is so special to me that,
[4:05]you know, we're really going through this tough time with COVID and then now the riots and
[4:10]everything. So if I can keep people connected and dance and bringing together different forms and
[4:17]different guests to help, you know, spread their joy, like Josh Grobe was one of my favorite
[4:23]guests who popped on because who's just so fun, so funny, who knew? I had no idea,
[4:29]such a great sense of humor and how special for people in their homes to get to dance to
[4:35]Josh Grobe and singing, you know, that doesn't happen very often. I'm just trying to bring joy
[4:41]to people's lives and it's been really, really incredible for me too.
[4:46]That's so awesome. So how are you going to keep it going? What's your deal of plan and see how it goes?
[4:50]I know everybody keeps asking me that and obviously I won't be able to do it at the time when
[4:57]I normally do it because I'll be giving, hopefully when we get back to New York City Valley,
[5:01]I'll be in my own class, but I am going to have to figure out some sort of way to keep it
[5:05]going because I would feel so bad like I was leaving all of these people behind because I know
[5:10]they count on it and so I don't know. I definitely won't give it up. We'll just figure it'll be
[5:15]in a different form. Turn out what time it will be in some other form.
[5:19]So, Nate, well, it's really great you provide that service. I hadn't done Instagram live
[5:23]either until the quarantine and I was like, um, what do I press? Anyway, but it's great.
[5:28]It's such a nice way to be able to unite people around things that are interested in. Like,
[5:31]I do book stuff in a much smaller scale than you, but still it's so nice to be able to connect
[5:36]this way and bring stories like yours. We've actually Kyle and I, who's my co-author for
[5:43]Kettering of Valerie, we've done an Instagram live. We started kind of like a Saturday stories
[5:49]where we started at the beginning of the book. We've only done two so far, but we're just kind of
[5:53]of reading it through and letting anybody who wants to ask us questions pop in and we do like a
[5:58]little Q&A and it's been really fun to get to know the readers because we didn't get to have, you know,
[6:03]like our book signing tour that we were planning on. So this is a way for us to still get to hear
[6:09]from our readers. So tell me about Katarina Ballerina, which I read. I read half of it out loud to
[6:16]my daughter who's almost seven. But what inspired you to write the book? How did you team up with
[6:21]Kyle? Tell me the whole story. Okay. So Kyle Harris and I met when we were doing a new Broadway
[6:28]musical, we were doing it in DC in 2014 actually and it was called Little Dancer and he plays my
[6:36]opposite. He plays my boyfriend in the show and we became really great friends. We're completely
[6:41]different. He knows nothing about dance. He actually grew up playing soccer and then moved into
[6:47]musical theater and he's a really great actor and has a great voice. So we were in this musical
[6:52]together and he was in awe of the ballet world because that's what the musical was. It was called
[6:58]Little Dancer and now it's called Marie and it's about Edgar Degas sculpture, the Little Dancer
[7:03]and I play her. So here he was surrounded in this world of ballet which he knew nothing about
[7:09]and so he wrote a little poem and the poem was Katarina Ballerina and it was just like a little
[7:16]one page poem and he showed it to me and I was like, Kyle this is really good. Like I think you
[7:22]actually have something here and it wasn't until a few years later like 2017 I believe when I said
[7:31]you know what kind of like let's really try and make something happen with that poem. I don't know
[7:35]what it is but let's just get in a room and see what we can do and so we thought okay we'll make
[7:42]a children's picture book. So when we went to Simon & Schuster we thought okay here's the poem we
[7:49]think this could be a really cute children's picture book and they said we love it but we want you
[7:54]to make a chapter book because we think that this has more of a story and a message than just a
[7:59]picture book and so they said would you want to go back and start trying to write chapter book and
[8:06]we were like well that seems very daunting but we'll try and so we went back we started writing
[8:12]together I always really enjoyed writing and Kyle's really great and so the two of us together
[8:19]it was just like such a great partnership and it made for a really fun and interesting story I
[8:27]think because we were able to incorporate ourselves a little bit in her you know he has this crazy
[8:33]curly hair and he's the one who's a little pigeon toad and we thought okay why don't we put those
[8:39]characteristics into Katarina so she isn't the perfect dancer she doesn't have the perfect you
[8:45]know what you think the perfect ballerina looks like you know whatever that may be she wanted
[8:50]slick back hair and you know perfect turnout and we wanted Katarina not to have those things but
[8:57]to have that thing that you can't teach which is that light that makes people like want to
[9:02]watch you dance and that is the most important thing I think in a dancer you know you can work on
[9:09]technique but it's really hard to teach somebody to have that joy that has to come from within
[9:16]so that's really the message it's kind of just you know owning your own unique gifts because what
[9:21]she thinks are you know what's going to hold her back is really what ends up making her stand out
[9:28]and so it's not comparing yourself to the next student because I mean if I were to compare
[9:34]myself to anybody in the New York City ballet you know I'd probably be like oh I think maybe I
[9:39]shouldn't dance because somebody always has something better than you and you may have something
[9:43]better than them and it's just everybody's different and I really think that's an important message
[9:48]for kids but also just anybody to be reminded of that it's so true sometimes the things you wish
[9:56]weren't there are the things that make you the things that make you who you are
[10:00]I mean, that's where all the great stuff comes from
[10:03]in the end of the end of it.
[10:04]But it's much harder to feel that way,
[10:06]especially at Katarina's age.
[10:08]And when you're struggling to fit in,
[10:10]or you just want to look like everybody else
[10:12]in the dance class or all the rest.
[10:14]So no, it's a very important message at any age.
[10:17]Yeah, I know it was good to remind myself,
[10:20]because sometimes you can, with social media,
[10:23]you can go down that rabbit hole of looking at,
[10:26]and for me, sometimes I'll just want to watch ballet videos.
[10:30]And sometimes when I watch those beautiful Russian dancers
[10:33]who have like, extensionist, I think, oh my goodness,
[10:36]like why do I even dance, you know?
[10:39]But I have, I think what Katarina has,
[10:41]where I just love to dance.
[10:43]And I think that that's what people,
[10:45]I hope see when they watch me dance.
[10:47]So I just try to focus on that.
[10:49]And like, you know, I might not be able to get my leg
[10:51]like above my head or whatever, but I can dance.
[10:55]And so yeah, it was good for me to remind myself.
[11:00]It's so true, watching someone do what they love
[11:03]is it's almost this contagious effect
[11:06]that you have to feel their joy
[11:07]and you feel your participating in it in some way.
[11:10]So, and also as an audience member,
[11:13]hardly anybody can tell the difference.
[11:15]Probably you as a professional dancer
[11:17]can tell the difference between you and somebody
[11:19]some Russian dancer, but nobody else would be able to tell
[11:21]that that, you know, the fraction of an inch of difference
[11:25]that you were worried about, right?
[11:27]Yeah, we're as ballerinas.
[11:29]I feel like, you know, perfectionism doesn't really exist,
[11:32]but we are as close to it as possible.
[11:35]Like, I feel like I'm my hardest critic.
[11:37]You know, one little finger is out of place.
[11:40]I'm like, oh, gosh, that could have been better.
[11:43]So it's true.
[11:45]We have to always remind ourselves.
[11:48]So how?
[11:49]And this is sort of off topic,
[11:50]but just wondering,
[11:51]because there's so much, I don't know,
[11:53]stereotype of a dancer that there are,
[11:56]that it comes with sometimes body image issues, right?
[11:59]Because you're using your body all the time
[12:00]and you hear about a lot of people, you know,
[12:02]have maladaptive eating habits and all the rest
[12:05]and they're so worried about their bodies and everything.
[12:08]So how do you have such like, well, I'm assuming,
[12:11]I shouldn't assume.
[12:12]What is your relationship with your body like?
[12:14]And how do you try to maintain the positive
[12:17]despite the environment that can be negative?
[12:21]Yeah, I think that kind of attributes to a few things.
[12:24]I think one was the way I was brought up.
[12:26]I have a really supportive family
[12:29]and, you know, they were always,
[12:32]like if I had some sort of eating thing
[12:35]or I know my mom would pull me at a dance like right away.
[12:38]Like it was always just, you know,
[12:40]you have to feel your body to be strong.
[12:43]And so I never really ever had to think about that
[12:47]because that was just what was what was ingrained in me.
[12:50]And, you know, I think a lot of us are lucky.
[12:53]Like my mom was a dancer and my father was a college football coach.
[12:57]So I did have the athletic kind of jeans I feel like.
[13:01]But I think people are really interested
[13:04]when they see, you know, like how much I actually do eat.
[13:07]They're like, well, you're going to eat that.
[13:09]And I'm like, yeah, are you?
[13:10]You know, at like dinners with the dessert and stuff.
[13:14]But that's just how I've always been.
[13:15]I mean, my favorite food is pasta, actually.
[13:18]And before every single performance
[13:20]the night before, I always have pasta.
[13:23]It's like, I think it's a mental thing.
[13:25]But at the same time, you know,
[13:27]I don't think you would really think,
[13:28]oh, ballerina loves pasta or salad dressing or eats dessert.
[13:34]And that's always been me.
[13:35]And I don't know.
[13:36]I can't speak for all ballerinas.
[13:38]But I've always felt like I had a really good head
[13:40]on my shoulders.
[13:41]And I think that that comes from, you know,
[13:44]from my parents who just brought me up that way.
[13:47]has the pressure on the parents
[13:49]to make sure to raise their kids like you.
[13:51]It's because, you know, you see so many injuries and dance.
[13:56]And I've actually had some, but very little
[13:58]for the amount I've danced and the demand
[14:01]that is put on my body.
[14:02]And I really think that that comes from, you know,
[14:06]correct diet and taking care of yourself.
[14:09]And you have to be really disciplined,
[14:10]not only in class, but with recovery and feeling the body.
[14:15]And I think that if you're not, you know,
[14:18]constantly making sure that you have, you know,
[14:21]like snacks with you throughout the day
[14:22]or that you're hydrating, like that's when injuries,
[14:25]I think happen more often than others.
[14:28]Interesting.
[14:29]So you are ballerina still with the New York City melee.
[14:33]You have performed on Broadway also in Kennedy Center.
[14:38]You've written this book.
[14:39]I feel like, and you're still so young.
[14:42]So it's like, what do you want to do with the rest?
[14:44]Like, what's your big plan?
[14:46]Do you have a big plan of what's coming next for you?
[14:49]Like, you could, I feel like the sky is the limit
[14:52]is basically what I'm trying to say
[14:53]with what you could do with like your talent
[14:56]and magnetism and all the rest.
[14:57]So I'm just wondering, like, do you have a pie
[14:59]in the sky dream of what's to come
[15:01]for like the rest of your life?
[15:03]Or even just the next couple of years?
[15:05]Well, you know, I think what I've really loved
[15:08]during these classes is that people have gotten
[15:11]to really get to know me.
[15:13]Because I think that ballerinas can sometimes
[15:16]be put on this, I always like to say this,
[15:18]like untouchable pedestal where they're
[15:21]looked to be as like, oh, they're perfect,
[15:23]and their life is just perfect.
[15:24]And that's just not me.
[15:27]And I really feel like with these classes,
[15:29]people have gotten, or they really see me as how I am.
[15:33]You know, in my parents' kitchen doing class, I mess up.
[15:37]I say, you guys, oh, sorry, I'm totally not perfect.
[15:40]So just there with me, I'm sorry.
[15:42]I mess up that step.
[15:43]I taught you one thing, and then I did the other.
[15:46]And I think that's what I really think
[15:48]is important for ballet to be more accessible to people.
[15:52]And I don't know, like if there's a sort of talk
[15:57]show that would happen where I could sort of be maybe make,
[16:02]you know, like how I'm bringing in guests,
[16:04]and maybe that could become something.
[16:06]Or maybe I've always wanted to direct a company
[16:09]like later on down the road.
[16:11]And maybe that will be a dream of mine
[16:14]that could come true.
[16:15]I don't really know.
[16:16]I'm just having fun at the moment.
[16:20]I don't know why I ask these questions
[16:21]and make people feel uncomfortable sometimes.
[16:23]But I don't really need a real answer.
[16:26]Like I just think it's fun to dream.
[16:28]And I like to hear what other people's dreams are
[16:30]in part as well.
[16:31]So no pressure to actually go do any of that.
[16:36]I think you should write a memoir.
[16:38]Have you thought about that?
[16:39]I thought about writing another book about my injury,
[16:43]because it was really a very traumatic one
[16:47]where I was told that I would never dance again.
[16:50]What happened?
[16:52]I had a herniated disc, a very severe one in my neck.
[16:56]And it was so severe that it was kind of pushing on kind
[16:59]of, it was pushing on my spinal cord.
[17:02]And, you know, I was told, oh, you'll never dance again.
[17:04]You have to get surgery right away.
[17:06]And long story short, I just
[17:08]feel like there's a lot of people that
[17:10]go through what I went through, which was maybe not feeling
[17:13]like the doctors understood or were really able.
[17:17]Like they didn't understand my profession.
[17:19]They'd always say, oh, you're a gymnast
[17:22]or yes, a professional athlete.
[17:23]But they would relate me to like a football player.
[17:26]And ballet, you have to use your neck.
[17:28]You have to use your April months.
[17:30]So where they were saying, oh, we can just fix it
[17:32]and we'll like fuse something together.
[17:33]I was like, no, I'll never be able to move my neck the same way
[17:38]ever again.
[17:38]And I need to do that.
[17:40]So it made me grow really strong as a person.
[17:46]And I just feel like there's so many things
[17:48]that I would love to share with people
[17:50]so that they know because it's a really lonely road
[17:53]when you're injured.
[17:54]You feel like nobody understands, nobody's listening.
[17:57]And I would just love to share what I learned
[18:00]because maybe that could help other people.
[18:02]And I think the most important lesson
[18:05]was that nobody knows your body better than you.
[18:09]You can use all of the medical knowledge
[18:12]because obviously they know more about the medical fields,
[18:15]but they're not inside your body.
[18:18]And so I think that there's a point
[18:19]where you really have to listen to that voice inside
[18:22]because my voice kept saying,
[18:24]I understand this is really serious,
[18:26]but I don't want to get surgery until another.
[18:29]That's the last thing that I have to do.
[18:32]And so I just need to like sit and wait
[18:34]and give myself the opportunity to heal.
[18:37]And then if it doesn't, then I'll get the surgery.
[18:40]And I just felt the pressure.
[18:42]And I just want people to know,
[18:43]don't do anything out of pressure or fear.
[18:46]Like do it when you're ready.
[18:48]Because I didn't get it and I came back
[18:50]and I just did full length swam like so.
[18:52]Oh my gosh.
[18:53]So your body just healed on its own
[18:54]or were you doing like physical therapy?
[18:56]Or just can't?
[18:57]Oh no, no, no.
[18:58]I definitely was just doing physical therapy
[19:00]and I did a lot of energy healing
[19:02]which sounds a little crazy,
[19:04]but it really helps me.
[19:05]So I did all of these natural things
[19:08]and I came back dancing.
[19:10]That's amazing.
[19:11]Energy thinks like Reiki or like?
[19:13]I don't really know.
[19:14]It's just like an energy healer.
[19:16]Okay, all right.
[19:17]Only 45 minutes of talking
[19:19]and then 45 minutes of energy like body work basically.
[19:22]And we would do something different every time
[19:24]by some once a week.
[19:25]Wow.
[19:26]I still do because I believe in that.
[19:29]I just love hearing stories like that.
[19:31]And it is so inspiring.
[19:32]It is so important.
[19:33]I mean, it's just amazing how quick other people can be
[19:37]to say like it's like they want to do the surgery center.
[19:40]I mean, no, I don't mean to disparage any surgeons,
[19:44]but like that's what they do.
[19:45]And if you go to a surgeon
[19:46]and you show them a problem,
[19:47]then they give you the surgical solution.
[19:50]Yes, that's how they want to fix it,
[19:52]which I sure is they would fix it just fine.
[19:55]But I just didn't want to do that until I was ready.
[19:58]And so it was.
[20:00]hard because I kept hearing one thing, but I kept thinking, okay, I have to just stick
[20:04]with what I believe, and I did, and I'm so glad I did.
[20:09]How long did the recovery process take you?
[20:11]I was out from March or April, I can't remember until my first show back was the weekend
[20:18]after Thanksgiving, so I was out until November, and yeah, it was like a lot of months
[20:25]and absolutely nothing, I couldn't move my head, it was really crazy, but I stuck
[20:32]with it.
[20:33]How did you deal with that emotionally?
[20:35]Oh, it was so hard, I mean, I'm used to dancing every day of my life, and when that's
[20:42]taken away, it's like, oh my gosh, you have to focus on all the other stuff that you
[20:48]love, but you don't feel like you're complete, and it was really hard, but I feel like
[20:53]I grew up a lot, and we're a weird way, I think it was this blessing and a disguise kind
[20:58]of thing.
[20:59]That's a nice attitude about it.
[21:00]Well, I'm sorry you had to go through that, but at least you got the lessons out that
[21:05]can inform the rest of what's to come, so sorry, go ahead, what are you going to say?
[21:09]No, I was just going to say, it let me have time to focus on Katarina, we were really
[21:15]able to work on that, and with my Leah Tarnline, I was able to focus on that, and a lot
[21:22]of things I don't normally have time for, I was able to kind of use that time to keep
[21:27]my brain creative and working while I couldn't like be physical.
[21:32]So what are the plans?
[21:33]I know it's volume one is Katarina, your first book is titled Volume One, so what's the,
[21:39]how many do you have a number in mind for how many have you written the next installment
[21:43]yet?
[21:44]What's the thinking behind that?
[21:45]We're working on book two cover right now, so they have the outline and we've just
[21:51]seen the initial book two cover, I'm not allowed to say like, who the character is,
[21:57]but Katarina will be, you'll start being in some of her friends, and it's kind of with
[22:03]the same story about how dance is this universal language that ties a lot of people together
[22:08]from around the world.
[22:10]And so Simon and Schuster signed us for two, but he gave them an outline of ten books,
[22:16]so we're hoping to have Katarina continue on.
[22:20]Good for you, that's awesome, I love it, really great.
[22:24]Do you have any advice to aspiring authors?
[22:27]I would say just try it because I like you also agree that you kind of have to like put
[22:35]the dreams out, put them out into the universe to even know if they can happen.
[22:40]And I think for so long, I never would have dreamt of being an author, but I know I have
[22:45]a lot of things to share.
[22:48]And so I think the first step is just getting past being scared to even try.
[22:54]And that was kind of what it took us I think from 2014 to 17 to be like, okay, now let's
[23:00]just go, they could just say no, you know, or they could say yes, and they love the
[23:06]idea.
[23:07]So I think, yeah, I would just say, if you want to do it, you should really just try
[23:11]for it.
[23:12]Well, if you ever find yourself with like tons more time with nothing to do, which
[23:17]sounds like that's not the type of person that you are by nature, so you're probably
[23:20]not going to.
[23:21]But I have a 13 year old daughter, and I feel like you would be great at writing a book
[23:26]for that age group also, like maybe your memoir about your, you know, just to put my two
[23:32]cents in here, that the injury memoir is super important, and I think that's really important
[23:36]to get out there.
[23:37]But I also think just the way you inhabit your body and using it for strength and good
[23:42]and art and joy is a method that I feel like teen girls could really, really benefit
[23:47]from and that there's not enough of that.
[23:49]So, you know, in your spare time, maybe just whip up one of those manuscripts too.
[23:53]Okay, it's a little I have, it's funny, I mean, you know, the ballet is off now, we don't
[24:00]know when we'll be back, which is very sad, but I've actually been really busy because
[24:05]these classes keep me so busy preparing, you know, because I feel like I'm doing, we joke
[24:11]that this house has become like, you know, my mom is the production assistant, my dad
[24:17]is craft services, my mom is like a funny title, because I'm also like the booker, like
[24:24]I just reach out to people and I say, you know, I've been doing these free classes and,
[24:30]you know, would you want to pop on and everybody has said yes, and I can't imagine like
[24:36]I really didn't expect for so many people to be so excited by it, but I think everybody
[24:43]wants to help bring joy right now and stay connected and this is one way, one little way
[24:49]to do that.
[24:50]Well, it's great, keep doing what you're doing, it's just add these to the list if you
[24:55]know, if you're looking for new ideas, well thanks, Tyler, thanks so much for talking
[25:01]to me and sharing your story, it's really inspiring and awesome.
[25:05]Thank you, it was nice to meet you, you too, take care.
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