Kerry Kletter, EAST COAST GIRLS
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[1:32]I truly enjoyed interviewing Carrie Kletter about her book East Coast Girls.
[1:37]Carrie holds a degree in literature and is the critically acclaimed author of the young
[1:41]adult novel, The First Time She Drowned.
[1:43]She also has an extensive background in theater, having appeared in film, television, and
[1:47]on stage.
[1:48]She lives in Los Angeles and adores her friends, her partner, David, dogs, neuroscience,
[1:52]funny people, Montauks, surfing, and french fries, East Coast Girls is her first adult
[1:57]novel.
[1:58]Welcome, Carrie.
[1:59]Thanks so much for coming on mom's time to read books.
[2:01]Thank you for having me, Zibi.
[2:03]So East Coast Girls, I'm talking to you, you're in Santa Monica, California, and your
[2:08]book takes place in Montauks, which is way closer to me here than you all the way over
[2:12]there.
[2:13]So how did you end up writing a story that takes place a lot in Montauks, or at least several
[2:18]trips there, and tell me about writing the book in general and what it's about.
[2:22]Okay, so first I'm from New Jersey, so I did move to the West Coast, but I'm from New
[2:27]Jersey, and my dad has a house in East Hampton.
[2:30]So I spent my summer's there since I was about 16, and it's a very meaningful place
[2:35]to me.
[2:36]So that's how it ended up being taking place in Montauks.
[2:40]And then you want the book pitch, is that?
[2:43]Let's take, I'll take the book pitch.
[2:44]I mean, I already, I mean, I have the book, I read the book, you know, you tell, but for
[2:48]everyone else who has not had the luxury of flipping through it.
[2:52]Okay, okay.
[2:53]So East Coast Girls is about four girls who grew up together, and they have this almost
[2:59]familial bond because they came from families that weren't particularly loving or functioning
[3:05]very well, and so they kind of found each other and became a pack, and kind of raised
[3:13]each other, and then they get to high school and this terrible thing happened to them
[3:19]one night, just a totally tragic thing, and they never talk about it.
[3:25]So for the next 12 years, they never talk about what happened, and they are all sort of
[3:32]their lives are all derailed in different ways because of this thing that happened to them,
[3:37]and their bond is a little bit fractured because of it.
[3:40]And so they decide to go back to the last place that they were truly happy, which is these
[3:45]summers they spent together in Montauks when they were girls, and see if they can sort
[3:50]of get back to their own innocence and their connection to each other.
[3:56]But of course, you know, if things don't always go as planned, and they're in lies
[4:01]the story, the secrets start coming out, and yeah, things happen.
[4:05]So I know why you said it now, where you said it, how did you come up with the idea for
[4:10]the plot?
[4:11]For the plot?
[4:12]Oh, that's interesting.
[4:13]Well, I wanted there to be a shared trauma, and the reason I wanted, I'm always wanting
[4:19]to write about trauma.
[4:20]My first book was about trauma.
[4:22]On some level, even if it's a beach book, I want to explore that idea.
[4:26]And so the reason I had them have the shared trauma is because I wanted to explore the
[4:32]different ways that people respond to trauma, and how they are different responses, the
[4:37]way they cope with that, the defense mechanisms they develop, start to interfere in their
[4:42]relationships with other people, because I think that happens to us all the time where
[4:48]our coping mechanisms, our defenses cause friction in our relationships, and it's because
[4:54]we can't see the pain that's driving the behavior.
[4:59]And so I kind of wanted to have these girls who are all a bit of a mess because of what
[5:03]happened, and they have conflict with each other because of it, and they have to come
[5:08]to a place where they can really see each other again, see each other's hearts and see
[5:11]what's driving behaviors.
[5:14]And so that was sort of why I came up with that shared trauma.
[5:19]And then the reason that I picked that particular trauma is because something similar
[5:23]happens to some people that I knew in college.
[5:27]And so I kind of extrapolated from that obviously changing a lot of things.
[5:31]But yeah.
[5:32]Yeah.
[5:33]I wanted to know your attraction to writing about trauma, usually I feel like if an author
[5:38]is doing that, it comes from some place to try to understand something that's happened
[5:41]to them or whatever.
[5:42]So can you tell me any more about what happened in college or?
[5:46]I mean, that didn't happen to me.
[5:49]So it wasn't really, yeah, it wasn't me that that happened to.
[5:52]My attraction to writing about trauma is from my own childhood, basically, just had a very
[5:58]traumatic childhood.
[5:59]And so I've spent a lot of time in therapy.
[6:03]And I kind of like gave the girls some issues like Hannah, who I consider the main character.
[6:09]I sort of gave her some of the issues that I've struggled with, you know, she's sort
[6:13]of me in some ways without therapy.
[6:17]So I just think that I'm always trying to figure things out because of what happened to
[6:24]me in terms of how do you excavate your true self and dismantle like dysfunctional coping
[6:32]mechanisms.
[6:33]And I think it's a lifelong process.
[6:35]So as I'm trying to work through things, I'm hoping that the readers will resonate with
[6:40]some of the issues that I'm trying to work through and that we can sort of find the
[6:44]way out together.
[6:46]And your last week too, the first time she drowned, also confronted trauma, as you mentioned,
[6:51]and it was about a daughter who spent time in a mental institution and then how she dealt
[6:55]with her mother after she came out.
[6:58]Tell me about writing that one.
[6:59]I'm just so curious about your whole, if you will, like what inspires you right about
[7:05]this, if that, if this mother daughter thing is something that you've been grappling
[7:09]with yourself.
[7:10]Oh, I mean, absolutely.
[7:11]I've grappled with, you know, a mother daughter thing.
[7:14]And that book was really about what they call in psychology, the designated patients.
[7:21]And what that is is that when there's a really dysfunctional family, a lot of times there's
[7:26]one kid who the family projects all the dysfunction onto and then that kid acts out.
[7:35]And then the family points to that kid and says, you are the problem.
[7:39]And so that's basically what happens in the first time she drowned, which is this is
[7:43]incredibly dysfunctional abuse of family.
[7:45]And the most sensitive child, which is usually the designated patient, begins to act out
[7:51]because of the dysfunction and they hospitalized her.
[7:55]And so that is so interesting to me that whole dynamic of the designated patient because
[8:00]I think we see it in society all the time.
[8:03]I think we, you know, that we're always sort of creating somebody who we can identify
[8:10]as the problem when usually it's a much bigger thing.
[8:14]And have you found writing these books to be therapeutic for you as well as your regular
[8:18]therapy?
[8:19]How much therapy you want for some help?
[8:22]Yeah, I think so.
[8:23]I don't think that's the intention.
[8:24]My intention is always to hopefully give words to experience so that other people can
[8:30]feel seen and validated and maybe find some sort of healing or understanding in the books.
[8:37]But I think as I do that that probably, you know, they say that one of the ways that people
[8:43]become mentally healthy is through creating narrative of their own life.
[8:47]So I think, you know, you're doing that a little bit when you're writing books.
[8:52]Yeah, I would say that that's probably been therapeutic, though it was never my intention
[8:56]for it to be.
[8:57]And you're a really lovely writer.
[8:58]I mean, even just some of the analogies in the first few pages of the book, like how the
[9:03]girls are all in a little picture booth together and they're at the fair.
[9:07]And just the way you write about it, like even your opening sentence, which I wish I
[9:10]wish I had like in front of me, but just the way you draw the reader in and describe
[9:15]a summer day and it's all of it.
[9:17]So it involves all the senses, the way that you write.
[9:20]And so you really feel immersed in that scene.
[9:22]How did you learn to write?
[9:24]Like when did you start writing?
[9:26]Tell me about your process, all of that.
[9:28]I think that was always writing to a certain extent.
[9:33]And that I really became a writer out of when I was in high school.
[9:38]I was this very rebellious kid because of what I had been through.
[9:43]and I had this English teacher who I tortured.
[9:47]I tried to get out of her class and went to the principal and said, you know, get me out
[9:52]of this woman's class and she came wheeling up behind me and said, don't you dare let
[9:57]this student out of my class.
[9:58]And so we spent the next three months.
[10:00]for touring each other.
[10:00]And then I, she had us write an essay.
[10:04]And I wrote an essay about an ogre of an English teacher
[10:07]and how a student, I believe chops her into pieces.
[10:10]Something that you probably would have rested for now.
[10:14]It was meant to be funny, but it was definitely meant
[10:16]to be a dig at her.
[10:17]And she loved it.
[10:18]And she read it out loud to the class.
[10:19]And then she called me in afterwards and she said,
[10:22]I think you're a writer.
[10:23]And nobody had ever really said no adult
[10:26]had ever really said anything positive about me.
[10:28]So I kind of clung to that.
[10:30]But it took me a really long time
[10:32]to have the resiliency to actually write a novel.
[10:36]Because you have to have a real growth mentality about it.
[10:40]And I was sort of in that state of,
[10:42]well, if somebody criticizes it, then it's not good.
[10:45]And so I had to grow up enough to get to.
[10:47]Actually criticism is awesome and exciting
[10:50]because then you can get better.
[10:52]So that's sort of how that happened.
[10:54]And then what was the question and what's my process with it?
[10:57]Yeah, how did you sort of hone your craft?
[11:01]Yeah, so I read a lot.
[11:03]I read a lot and I was attracted to a certain kind
[11:06]of lyrical story, lyrical language.
[11:09]And so I just sort of kept looking at that.
[11:13]And I think I had an instinct for it.
[11:16]And just put an underlying sentences and books
[11:19]over and over and over again and try to figure out
[11:21]how the writer came to that and really just was self-taught
[11:26]mostly.
[11:27]You know, I was an English major in college,
[11:28]but mostly it was just reading a lot.
[11:32]So and then when I wrote my first book,
[11:35]I wrote my first book and it took me three years to write it.
[11:38]And I sent it to an agent and she said,
[11:40]I love the writing, but there's no plot.
[11:43]And I was like, oh my God, a plot.
[11:45]Like I had no, I just put a plot in a book.
[11:48]So you know, then I had to go back
[11:50]and learn how to do a plot.
[11:53]So that book actually ended up thinking about 14 years to write.
[11:57]It was, you know, I had three jobs in a neighbor
[11:59]who was blasting music 24 hours a day,
[12:01]but yeah, it took about 14 years.
[12:03]And how long did this one take?
[12:05]This one took, I think about three.
[12:07]So much, I'm getting faster,
[12:09]but it's still, you know, I really love to hone sentences
[12:12]and I want things, especially if you're writing about trauma,
[12:16]I have this desire to still make things pretty and hopeful.
[12:22]So it's always, it's almost like a counter to the darkness.
[12:26]I think to have sentences that are vivid and pretty.
[12:31]So that takes a while because I'm just constantly honing that.
[12:35]And where do you like to write?
[12:36]In my bed.
[12:37]You're my bed.
[12:40]I mean, I pretty much don't leave my bed.
[12:42]So everything gets done there.
[12:44]My friend and I who's also a writer,
[12:46]we joke were like those old people in Willy Wonka,
[12:48]who never get out of bed.
[12:49]And that's, yeah, that's pretty much me.
[12:51]That is my ideal day, if I could do that.
[12:53]That's like a dream day, yeah.
[12:55]I don't have children.
[12:56]So I have the privilege of doing that, you know.
[12:59]I am divorced and remarried.
[13:01]So on days when I don't have the kids,
[13:03]like I don't have them today, for instance.
[13:04]Well, now I got up early, but like yesterday,
[13:06]I did, you know, I could do all my work in bed for like,
[13:08]you know, until 10 in the morning
[13:10]and that feels like a huge luxury.
[13:11]Because usually, usually by 10,
[13:13]I've had like an entire day, right?
[13:14]I'm like ready for dinner, but yeah.
[13:16]And I don't have the kids.
[13:17]It's nice to see mom, I'm just like,
[13:18]oh my God, I don't know how.
[13:20]So I don't wanna like pry into your personal life,
[13:25]but I'm so interested.
[13:26]And you can feel free to just not wanna talk about it,
[13:29]but you keep referencing the trauma
[13:30]in your early childhood.
[13:31]And I just am wondering, like,
[13:33]if you feel comfortable talking about what happened,
[13:35]I would love to listen,
[13:36]but if not, do not feel bad at saying no.
[13:39]Yeah, I mean, there's sort of specifics
[13:41]that I can't really say, you know,
[13:44]I never wanna hurt anybody,
[13:45]even people who have been abusive
[13:47]because I feel that they're abusive
[13:50]because they've been abused
[13:52]and, you know, things happen to our brain sometimes
[13:55]that create limited capacity for things like empathy.
[13:59]And, but there was just,
[14:02]there was a lot of child abuse
[14:03]and it was every form of child abuse.
[14:07]But that said, when I think about my childhood,
[14:13]what I think about, and I think this is why East Coast Girls
[14:16]is what it is,
[14:17]what I think about are the witness bears.
[14:20]And I think about the friends who saved me through those times.
[14:23]I don't really think about, you know,
[14:26]the difficult things that happened.
[14:27]There was a, you know, probably my most important memory
[14:31]from being a kid was being eight years old
[14:35]and it's so vivid to me
[14:36]and I had a friend come over and she wanted cookies.
[14:40]And so I called down to one of my parents
[14:42]who was in the basement doing laundry
[14:44]and I said, you know, can we have some cookies?
[14:46]And this parent did not like the fact
[14:49]that I called down to the basement
[14:50]instead of walking down to the basement.
[14:52]And so responded with a string of expletives and insults.
[14:57]And my little friend, eight years old,
[15:00]turned to me with the most intense expression on her face.
[15:04]And she said,
[15:05]carry, that's child abuse.
[15:08]And it was the most important thing that ever happened to me
[15:13]because the expletives was nothing compared
[15:16]to what was going on.
[15:18]But to have somebody say, this isn't you,
[15:22]this isn't right, you know,
[15:25]this is something that is happening to you,
[15:27]gave me a sense of fight for the rest of my life, you know?
[15:31]So when I think about my childhood,
[15:34]what I think about is my friends
[15:36]and they rallied behind me,
[15:38]everybody knew what was happening
[15:40]and they came to my aid,
[15:42]they took me into their homes.
[15:44]It was just incredible.
[15:45]And to this day, you know, they're my family.
[15:48]They are the people that mean the most to me.
[15:51]And, you know, it's like when I write a book,
[15:54]my entire town shows up.
[15:55]It's just unbelievable and so moving.
[15:58]And so, you know, that's what I think about.
[16:01]I don't wanna think about, you know, the bad stuff
[16:03]because everybody goes through it.
[16:05]But the people who save us, that's the stuff
[16:08]that to me is really meaningful.
[16:11]Oh my gosh, how powerful.
[16:12]Thank you so much for sharing that.
[16:14]I'm so sorry that all of that happened.
[16:17]And I'm so glad you had people.
[16:19]I'm so happy for that moment with that girl.
[16:20]Is she still a friend of yours?
[16:22]Yes, yeah.
[16:23]And I mean, I was lucky that, you know,
[16:26]I think most kids don't ever get that somebody
[16:29]who bears witness and says this isn't okay.
[16:32]And, you know, that's the most important thing
[16:35]is just to let people know
[16:38]that what their experiencing isn't right.
[16:40]You know, that's is why we have to speak up about things.
[16:43]Yeah.
[16:44]Oh my gosh.
[16:45]Wow.
[16:46]Well, onto lighter topics.
[16:48]Then you became an actress for a while.
[16:49]And I looked you up and you were in lethal weapon for.
[16:52]Is that right?
[16:53]Is that the same you?
[16:54]I just looked at the weapon for.
[16:56]And I was in Swordfish with John Travolta
[16:58]and Dee Jackman and Holly Berry.
[17:01]And I did stunts on that as well.
[17:03]And I did a couple of soap operas and stuff like that.
[17:06]What kind of stunts?
[17:07]Oh, okay.
[17:08]So in Swordfish, I don't know if you ever saw that movie,
[17:11]but there's these hostages who were there in Bombas
[17:14]and they're taken on a bus.
[17:15]And the bus gets flown through the air by a helicopter.
[17:20]So the way we had to do that is we had to go into an airport
[17:24]hangar and they took two 60 foot cranes
[17:27]and lifted the bus up on the two cranes.
[17:30]And then they let one side go
[17:32]so that we were swinging in the bus.
[17:35]And we're strapped in.
[17:37]And it was terrifying because what happened
[17:39]was a stunt guy right in front of me.
[17:42]His strap broke.
[17:44]No.
[17:45]Yes.
[17:46]And so he went tumbling all the way to the back of the bus.
[17:50]And there was a 60 foot drop to the concrete underneath.
[17:52]And the only thing that saved him was that there was a person
[17:55]who's sitting there.
[17:56]And so they hit each other.
[17:58]They both had to go to the hospital.
[18:00]They were OK, but like broken bones.
[18:02]And the movie made us do it another take after that.
[18:07]So that was my stunt career.
[18:08]I was one and done.
[18:10]Yeah.
[18:11]Oh my gosh.
[18:12]She was crazy.
[18:13]But it was really fun.
[18:14]That was really fun.
[18:16]I, you know, we were on the bus shooting so many hours a day
[18:19]and it was John Travolta and Hugh Jackman.
[18:21]And so one day I got John Travolta to do the, you know,
[18:25]you're the one that I want.
[18:26]And then all the hostages would lean out, you know,
[18:29]like in our bomb vests.
[18:30]And we'd lean into the aisle and go, ooh, ooh, ooh.
[18:34]So yeah, we had a good time.
[18:35]But after that movie, I was like, you know,
[18:38]I don't think I want to do this anymore.
[18:39]Holly would is very masochistic in very, you know,
[18:42]you're just kind of always trying to prove your worth.
[18:46]And if you're a woman, you have to worry about aging
[18:49]and all these things.
[18:50]And I thought, and people are sort of climbing each other.
[18:53]And it just was not an environment I wanted to be in.
[18:56]And so I thought I'm going to write a book.
[18:59]And I sat down one day and I wrote the first sentence
[19:02]of my first book, which is my mother wore the sun like a hat.
[19:05]And I had no idea why, but I was like,
[19:09]I guess this is the first sentence.
[19:10]And it 14 year later, it stayed the first sentence
[19:13]and everything else changed.
[19:14]But yeah, it was after that movie that I was like,
[19:16]I think I need to pivot here.
[19:19]Yeah, I think stunt double broken bones
[19:21]might not be lifelong career path.
[19:25]Well, and how about now, what are you working on now?
[19:28]What do you, what do you embed, write it?
[19:33]I am working on a book about an actress who is publicly shamed
[19:37]and who retreats into solitude to escape the world.
[19:42]And I'm writing it because I'm really interested
[19:45]in that whole idea of public shaming as a corrective measure.
[19:50]I've had very complex opinions about it.
[19:55]And I'm trying to work through them
[19:57]about how I feel about it.
[19:59]But most...
[20:00]Obviously, I think I'm not for it in some of these situations where it's a minor thing
[20:08]that happens, and we kind of as a society pile on and say, oh, you're a bad person.
[20:14]And I think that is, again, because of my childhood, when you grow up in a abusive home,
[20:19]you get very black and white thinking, this person is good, this person is bad.
[20:23]And that's something that I've had to dismantle my whole life to get to the point where
[20:27]like people can do bad things and not be bad people.
[20:31]And so that's something that I always want flawed characters who have redemptive quality.
[20:37]So that's kind of what I'm working on right now.
[20:40]Who knows?
[20:41]It's very timely.
[20:42]I mean, now I feel like, no, I was just talking to my husband about this.
[20:45]Like the Me Too movement was one thing, like, started by Harry Weinstein, and now everybody
[20:51]on Instagram is shaming everybody for being racist and everybody's coming out with us.
[20:56]And what did you say?
[20:57]And I don't know if there was some CEO who's emails to her company from 2017, one or two
[21:04]emails are now all over Instagram.
[21:06]And it's like, I'm not defending that person by any stretch.
[21:10]But it's like, is this going to be the next thing, right?
[21:12]Is this going to be the next way where people are going to fall?
[21:15]Oh, today this person came out because of her email or his email or, you know, it just
[21:19]seems like this isn't like, I don't know, like the doors are open and I'm just waiting
[21:24]to see the cascading effect of what happens here.
[21:28]Yeah.
[21:29]Well, I think that, you know, we have to give room for people to grow.
[21:32]It's not that they might not be doing those things.
[21:35]I'm sure they are.
[21:36]You know, I think we all have to explore our own racism growing up, you know, just
[21:41]like I'm still dismantling, you know, sexism in myself.
[21:46]Having been raised in the society, I'm sure that, you know, there are things that
[21:51]I have to investigate and that we all do.
[21:54]But we have to give people room to grow.
[21:56]And you know, I remember this moment when I was 21 and I was a real jerk at that age.
[22:02]I was still a bit messed up and this was huge to me and it really taught me something
[22:08]about how people change, which was that I was driving in a parking lot and there was hardly
[22:14]any parking spaces and I saw someone going for a parking spot and I took it.
[22:19]And I pulled in and I took it and I was very angry at the world at that time.
[22:25]And the woman pulled up.
[22:26]She was an older black woman and she pulled up to this jerk, 21 year old who just took
[22:32]her space, you know, just so rude.
[22:35]And I got out of the car and I was ready for her to yell at me and she said, honey,
[22:41]and sure she wanted to yell at me, but she took a breath and she said, honey, your car
[22:44]is sticking out a little bit.
[22:46]And if you pulled it in, you know, I'm just worried that somebody will hit it.
[22:50]And I was so shamed by her kindness, you know what I mean, that I knew she could have
[22:58]attacked me, that she was pointing out that what I had done.
[23:02]But instead of responding with the righteous rage that she could have, she was kind to me.
[23:09]And I changed so dramatically from that moment that it is literally like two different people.
[23:17]It shamed me to my core.
[23:19]It made me realize that I was acting extremely narcissistically in the world and that I did
[23:24]not want to be that person, that I wanted to be like her.
[23:28]And so I think about that when we're shaming people that my biggest question is, is it effective,
[23:34]you know, and I'm just not sure that it's effective if there isn't a balance of giving
[23:39]people room to grow, you know, it's not that we can't be shamed.
[23:42]Shame is a useful emotion.
[23:44]It's just I would like to see also how can we get you to a better place?
[23:50]Because most I've done stupid things in my life.
[23:53]I would hope that people would give me a second chance to be better because I always
[23:56]want to be better.
[23:57]And I think that's probably most people.
[24:00]So that's kind of where I stand on that.
[24:02]This is none of my business, but yeah, I feel like you have a best selling memoir in you
[24:07]that you that you need to write.
[24:09]And I would love to read it.
[24:11]If I were a publisher right now or an agent or somebody representing you, I would say start
[24:16]working on your memoir because you will help so many other people go get through it.
[24:22]So I think you should think about it.
[24:24]All right, and you're a spare time, you know, not that you need my advice.
[24:29]Anyway, speaking of advice, what advice would you have to aspiring authors?
[24:32]Well, first, I would say develop a growth mentality because criticism is your best friend,
[24:40]but it's really hard.
[24:41]And being a writer, being a publisher writer is really difficult.
[24:45]My first book, not only did it take 14 years to write, but then it took two and a half
[24:50]years to sell.
[24:53]And you know, one of the best things that I learned from that was, you know, standing
[24:58]on the beach in Montauk thinking, what if it never sounds?
[25:03]What if I spent 14 years writing a book thinking that this was my destiny and it doesn't
[25:09]sell?
[25:10]And I looked around, I looked at the surfers in the water and my boyfriend on the beach,
[25:14]and I realized that I would be okay, that I had done it and that I didn't have to prove
[25:20]anything to anybody else, that I didn't have to be special, that I didn't have to, you
[25:24]know, like have a sign attached to me that said, like, published author, that I would
[25:29]be okay and that it was worth it just to do.
[25:32]And I thought that was a really helpful thing with publishing because you are an experience
[25:36]so much rejection.
[25:38]And you think that once you get published, it ends, but it does not end because I don't
[25:42]know if you've seen good reads, but, you know, there's always somebody who's going
[25:46]to reject you on good reads.
[25:48]So I think you have to go in knowing it's really hard and giving yourself room to feel
[25:54]that pain, you will develop a thicker skin, but also to not expect that you're just going
[25:59]to get it right out of the gate, you know, that you're going to have to revise and revise
[26:05]and revise and revise.
[26:07]And that is the cool part because it's about mastery, you know, it's always trying to
[26:11]achieve mastery and you never will.
[26:13]But I think that if you can get excited about criticism because in my mind, the people
[26:20]who succeed are people who can take criticism and who are tenacious.
[26:24]And that's it.
[26:25]You know, there's so many amazing writers out there.
[26:27]It's not, it's not like, I feel like if I can do it, anybody can do it.
[26:31]But you have to be tenacious and you have to be able to be willing to grow.
[26:35]And yeah, that's it and read a lot.
[26:38]Please read a lot.
[26:39]That's great advice.
[26:41]Well, thank you.
[26:42]for coming on my show.
[26:43]Thanks for letting me completely invade your privacy with all my intrusive questions and
[26:49]all the rest.
[26:50]So thanks for spending your early morning in LA with me and great.
[26:55]I loved it.
[26:56]And, you know, I know that you're writing a novel, right, listen, I'm really good at editing.
[27:04]So if you ever want to send me anything, I'm happy to give you notes, but I hope you
[27:08]keep going because I think you have a book in you.
[27:11]Oh, thank you.
[27:12]I think I might give up on that book.
[27:13]I don't know.
[27:14]Another conversation for another day.
[27:17]All right.
[27:18]But thank you for the offer.
[27:19]Okay.
[27:20]Thank you for that offer.
[27:21]Careful what you say though.
[27:22]I might take you up on it.
[27:25]Okay.
[27:26]All right.
[27:27]Thanks so much for having me.
[27:28]Thanks for coming on.
[27:29]Have a great day.
[27:30]Bye.
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