Ali Katz, Author of ONE MINUTE TO ZEN
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[0:28]I'm here today with Mindfulness Expert Ali Katz.
[0:32]Ali is the best-selling author of the Hot Mess to Mindful Mom series.
[0:35]She has just released the third self-help book in the series, entitled One Minute to
[0:40]Zen Go from Hot Mess to Mindful Mom in One Minute or Less.
[0:43]As a coach, author, media contributor to ABC News, Fox News, CBS, and others, and speaker,
[0:50]Ali helps parents with mindful parenting, self-care, and more.
[0:53]She currently lives with her husband in two cents.
[0:55]How are you?
[0:56]How's good?
[0:57]How are you?
[0:58]You're left.
[0:59]I'm hiding in my car to this interview.
[1:02]I'm very cozy in here with me, but with work at a half, my dogs are going crazy.
[1:07]I'm like, I just go hide in the car.
[1:11]You're not the first person I've interviewed who's been in their car just to make you
[1:14]feel better.
[1:15]I'm so funny.
[1:18]I'm really happy to be interviewing you about one minute to Zen Go from Hot Mess to Mindful
[1:23]Mom in One Minute or Less because I could really use that as a mom before.
[1:26]So I...
[1:27]How old are your kids?
[1:30]My kids range from almost 4 to 11.
[1:32]Oh my God, such fun, AJ.
[1:34]You're busy, though.
[1:35]And I'm one of four.
[1:36]I grew up with three sisters.
[1:37]Oh, that's great.
[1:38]Oh, yeah.
[1:39]And you have two...
[1:40]You have two sons, right?
[1:41]I have two sons.
[1:42]Yeah.
[1:43]And how old are they?
[1:44]They are 11 and 13.
[1:46]Got it.
[1:47]So we all really need this advice.
[1:49]I mean, I practice all the tools myself.
[1:54]So that's awesome.
[1:56]You know, I'm not excluded from meeting them.
[1:59]So, Ali, I feel like I am not a mindful enough mom.
[2:03]I'm like usually in a hurry and I pay attention, but and I, you know, take moments to
[2:08]feel grateful, but I don't ever meditate or do any of the mindfulness techniques that
[2:13]I know are out there.
[2:15]And I've heard it all before, but really sell me on why I should meditate and what's in
[2:21]it for me.
[2:22]Oh my goodness.
[2:23]Well, I know you don't want me to take up our entire time answering this one question.
[2:28]So much to share here.
[2:29]So I will say one thing, meditation is about consistency.
[2:34]So if you meditate, everyone's going to lie, you're going to feel really good, you know,
[2:37]when you do it.
[2:38]But if you want long-term effects of meditation, things, physical things, like helping
[2:43]to regulate your sleep patterns and your digestive patterns, helping lower your blood pressure,
[2:48]helping lower cholesterol, helping with PMS and menopause and so, so many things.
[2:53]And when you basically can Google anything and meditation and study will come up of how
[2:58]it helps is credible.
[3:00]And then of course, the stress relieving benefit, feeling more responsive and less reactive,
[3:06]feeling more compassionate towards yourself and others, feeling more confident, more connected
[3:11]to your intuition, more connected to the world around you.
[3:14]I mean, so, so many benefits.
[3:16]But it helps to really, really be consistent.
[3:18]That's where the benefits come from.
[3:20]So I say that you need two types of meditation, preventative and prescriptive.
[3:25]So preventative is like taking a daily vitamin, you take a daily vitamin to keep you kind
[3:30]of on an even keel, feeling good every day.
[3:33]That's what a daily seated practice is for five minutes, 10 minutes, 20, whatever feels
[3:37]good to you.
[3:38]But I always start people off with really small amounts of time so that they can be consistent
[3:42]and feel like it seamlessly kind of fits in their life.
[3:45]So my students start with anywhere from five to eight minutes, just get going.
[3:49]And then we also need prescriptive responses during the day.
[3:54]We really need both.
[3:55]So if you have taken your vitamin in the morning, but you get a headache later in the
[3:59]day, you're going to want to tell them all.
[4:01]You're going to want some needs to help you right now.
[4:03]That's one minute meditation due throughout the day is helping you come back to center
[4:08]in the midst of stress or overwhelm or any kind of anxiety or things like that.
[4:14]And that's why I wrote this book because people need these tools to use throughout their
[4:19]day too.
[4:20]Just having a daily seated practice doesn't mean your entire day goes smoothly.
[4:24]We still need tools to use in the moment when we're faced with stress or overwhelm and
[4:29]those types of feelings.
[4:30]So that's like a consensus I can make it.
[4:33]I like it.
[4:34]I like it.
[4:35]So, but your book with one minute meditations, like can that really accomplish all of
[4:40]those things that you just laid out there like in one minute?
[4:44]So in one minute, you can do things for your body like settle down your nervous system.
[4:49]And it takes three nice long deep breaths to begin to settle down your nervous system.
[4:53]So in a moment in meditation, you're definitely getting that so you can calm yourself.
[4:57]You can come back to center.
[4:59]You can respond to a situation that feels in a positive way for you.
[5:04]Instead of just reacting and screaming or yelling and feeling terrible afterwards, you
[5:09]know, you can take a minute to breathe to come back to center and move forward in a way
[5:12]that feels good.
[5:13]So am I going to tell you that you might change your, well, you would change your blood
[5:18]pressure in the moment because you could come and add in like what do I would use in
[5:21]this in the example?
[5:22]You know, something like regulating your sleep patterns, you may need the longer daily
[5:26]meditation that's been, you know, scientifically proven for that, but you are definitely
[5:31]going to help yourself in the moment to feel calmer, to feel more centered, to bring
[5:37]more balance into that moment and to move forward in a way that feels good.
[5:40]So you will feel less frustrated, less overwhelmed.
[5:43]Once anxious, less stressed in that moment.
[5:46]So it does really help, it really, really does.
[5:49]Okay.
[5:50]You're starting to convince me here.
[5:52]Okay.
[5:53]So I have one minute now since we're, I'm on this podcast with you.
[5:58]Can we spend 60 seconds doing one of the one minute meditations for your book like right
[6:02]now?
[6:03]Absolutely.
[6:04]Okay.
[6:05]I'm going to set a timer.
[6:06]So we're going to be totally legit here.
[6:08]Okay.
[6:09]So what I want you to do, wait, which one is this from your book if I'm reading along?
[6:13]We're going to do the straw breath towards the end.
[6:16]Okay.
[6:17]Okay.
[6:18]And what you're going to do, if you're going to just take a nice inhale through your
[6:22]nose, and then you're going to exhale like you're breathing out of a straw.
[6:27]So you're going to sort of push your lips and exhale like you're breathing out through
[6:31]a straw.
[6:32]So nice deep inhale.
[6:34]Okay.
[6:35]And then exhaling like you're breathing out through a straw.
[6:38]Like really, as you can, but round lips like the air has to move through that thin little
[6:44]straw until you've let all the air out.
[6:53]And then when you're finished inhale again through your nose, nice and deep, and then
[7:00]exhale through that straw, and one more time, exhale through that straw in that minute.
[7:25]Wow.
[7:26]Does your body feel collar?
[7:28]Yeah.
[7:29]Yeah.
[7:30]So that's just one minute.
[7:32]So imagine feeling like the kids are screaming, you're running late, you know, you just
[7:37]are really overwhelmed.
[7:39]Imagine just making one minute to do three straw breaths like that.
[7:44]Okay.
[7:45]And then your calmer and you can move forward in a way that feels good.
[7:48]What do I need to do?
[7:49]Okay.
[7:50]Let me do that instead of just being in a blind panic, you know, it can really, really
[7:54]help.
[7:55]Okay.
[7:56]I'm going to try to catch myself needing one of those moments and have my husband video
[8:00]me doing these straw breaths in front of the kids and see how this works.
[8:04]And the thing is, is that when your kids see you do it, first of all, you're modeling
[8:09]for that, because we want them to handle overwhelm and frustration and all the feelings
[8:14]that they feel in more productive ways too, right?
[8:17]So they, you know, will be washing you and you can say to them, you know what, I don't
[8:22]want to yell.
[8:23]I want to call my body down so I can think about what I want to say to you.
[8:28]Change the way I gave consequences, you know, my hot mess face, my kids would do something
[8:32]and I would just scream out like, no, can you eat for three days, you know, which
[8:35]really works for me.
[8:37]Okay.
[8:38]And had nothing to do with what they did.
[8:41]I literally did that this morning.
[8:43]I literally said to myself, no TV for a week if you don't do that.
[8:47]I know.
[8:48]So it's like, and then afterward, you're like, oh, my God, I can't even take a shower.
[8:52]Like, why did they say there's a amount of stuff with it?
[8:55]So what I started doing is when I needed to get a consequence saying, I need to think
[9:00]for a minute, I'm going to breathe and calm myself down, so I'm not feeling so angry.
[9:05]And I'm going to think about what I want to do moving forward.
[9:07]And then I would give a consequence that I was calm and I could think about it that actually
[9:11]made sense for what they did instead of just not watching TV, you know, so it helps a lot
[9:17]in those moments.
[9:18]It really does.
[9:19]And the more they see you do it, the more they start to do it on their own because
[9:24]they realize, I remember the first time my son was really upset about something.
[9:29]And I didn't say anything and he just started taking some nice, long, deep breath.
[9:33]And the reason why is because he'd seen me do it like 500 times, finally, come on, you
[9:38]know.
[9:39]And this is crazy.
[9:40]We left a bath of a really heated bath tomorrow day last week.
[9:44]And my son was all riled up, getting the car.
[9:46]I don't say it works.
[9:47]The undistled bath that takes out an essential oil roller starts rolling it on his
[9:52]breath, he's 13 years old and then takes a deep breath and is like a new person.
[9:56]Wow.
[9:57]I mean, they do pick up on these things.
[9:58]I didn't know when to do it.
[10:00]I didn't even know we had that in exactly, you know, I mean, they do pay attention.
[10:05]So how did you get into doing this?
[10:07]How did I get into meditation?
[10:08]How did you, I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear.
[10:10]How did you get into helping other people meditate and try to sort of take back their lives
[10:15]and be more mindful?
[10:16]How did you get into the writing of it?
[10:19]But first, how did you get into the teaching of it?
[10:21]Okay, so about seven years ago, maybe a little more than seven years ago,
[10:25]I started meditating myself, and I, after about six weeks of meditating every day,
[10:31]I noticed that this kind of fall of anxiety that lives on my chest 24-7,
[10:37]I'm sure there's people listening that can relate to the feeling of just
[10:41]kind of a breath there.
[10:42]I was walking my dog and all of a sudden, I stopped short and I was like,
[10:46]wait, that feeling is gone.
[10:48]Where did it go?
[10:49]That was amazing.
[10:51]I thought it just felt so freeing and I said to myself, well,
[10:55]the only difference is that I've been meditating, so maybe it's doing something.
[10:58]I'll keep going.
[10:59]And then I started noticing more changes in my life.
[11:01]I started feeling more confident and more patient with my kids and more compassionate toward
[11:06]myself and less judgmental about their people.
[11:09]And then I used it to help me kind of relearn how to fall asleep at night.
[11:14]And once that happened, I was like,
[11:16]meditating is the best thing that ever happened to me.
[11:18]I have to teach other people how to do it.
[11:21]I'm a total share.
[11:22]So whether I love a lip gloss or a book or meditation, I want to tell the whole world about it.
[11:27]So I did a year-long program to get certified to be a meditation teacher,
[11:32]which also gave me a career and became my whole passion.
[11:36]And along with being a parent, I feel like it's the reason that it's really put here
[11:41]to make these tools accessible and relatable.
[11:44]So I started teaching.
[11:46]And then it was so on the whim.
[11:49]This is going to sound so crazy.
[11:50]But I had this burning sensation for two days over a weekend
[11:55]to write an article about meditation.
[11:58]And I had never done anything like that before.
[12:00]But I just, I mean, I know the universe is now.
[12:03]It's kind of pushing me into it.
[12:04]But I talked to my kids in on Sunday night.
[12:07]I sat down on my computer in 20 minutes.
[12:09]I had written this article.
[12:10]I called it Everyday Spiritual.
[12:12]And I just wrote the couple things I did every day
[12:15]that made me really feel amazing.
[12:18]And I didn't edit it.
[12:20]I didn't think about it.
[12:21]I don't know what made me send it into my body green.
[12:23]But I did.
[12:24]And then the article did amazing two days later.
[12:26]I like, like, wake up to this email.
[12:27]Like, congratulations.
[12:28]Your article's published.
[12:29]And I'll go, wow, that was easy.
[12:31]And it did great.
[12:33]And I'm like, I think people want more of this.
[12:35]I think I'm going to write a book.
[12:37]And that is literally how I started writing my first book.
[12:40]Well, it's just, I think people want that.
[12:42]And it turns out they really, really did.
[12:45]And now there's three books.
[12:46]That's amazing.
[12:47]You actually wrote in this book, at least,
[12:49]that when the same week you signed the contract,
[12:52]I think it was referring to this book
[12:53]that you were diagnosed with inflammatory arthritis.
[12:56]And you wrote, for years,
[12:57]I have been incorporating one minute meditations into my day.
[13:00]But I needed them in a whole new way with this revelation.
[13:03]That's when it hit me.
[13:04]It turned out I was writing this book as much for me as for you.
[13:08]So was that for this third book?
[13:09]What was that for the first book?
[13:11]That was this the third book.
[13:12]And you know, it was so scary
[13:15]because I was having all these symptoms.
[13:17]And I was in a lot of pain.
[13:19]And it just hit me.
[13:20]You're like, I have these rules to help me.
[13:22]And it was just such a reminder that,
[13:25]you know, of course, you've done,
[13:27]but in these moments,
[13:28]Ali, you have something to help you.
[13:30]You know, you don't have to freak out.
[13:32]And I just started using one minute meditations all the time.
[13:35]Every time I got nervous about what was going to happen.
[13:38]I was really not feeling well.
[13:40]And they helped me so much.
[13:42]And it was just an incredible reminder.
[13:44]And an empowering reminder to me that I have these tools
[13:48]at my disposal, everything I teach and share with others,
[13:52]I also do.
[13:54]As a teacher, you're never done
[13:56]as a person you're never done.
[13:57]It's not like I know about these concepts
[13:59]and I teach them.
[14:00]So I don't have to worry about practicing them myself.
[14:03]I am practicing them all the time.
[14:06]And teaching them all the time,
[14:08]but also as a mom, as a person,
[14:10]I'm practicing them all the time.
[14:12]So it was very empowering.
[14:13]That's awesome.
[14:14]Did you find that the writing itself
[14:16]was in any way helpful?
[14:18]Like, I always find writing about things that I'm
[14:21]coping with, they're struggling with,
[14:22]to be personally really helpful.
[14:23]Did you find writing these books,
[14:25]the act of the writing as helpful as,
[14:27]you know, that combined with the meditation?
[14:29]Absolutely.
[14:30]Because I love sharing and I find it a wonderful way to connect.
[14:34]Like, when I get people that write me that have read
[14:37]my books and say how much they helped
[14:39]and like the parts that really resonated with them,
[14:41]it is such an incredible way to connect.
[14:43]But I will say, the first two books I wrote
[14:47]literally fell out of me, really a smooth process.
[14:51]This third book, I hit writers walking in the middle.
[14:54]That was nothing I had ever experienced before.
[14:57]And it ends up that it brought kind of a whole breakthrough
[15:01]around it.
[15:02]And then, of course, the books totally flowed after that.
[15:05]But this third one was a very different process for me.
[15:08]It was much harder, actually.
[15:10]Well, sometimes just working through the writer's book.
[15:12]I don't know, you get better stuff, maybe?
[15:15]Yeah, yeah.
[15:16]And I just gained myself a break.
[15:17]I just literally in the middle was like,
[15:19]I'm taking two months off.
[15:20]And then I kind of had a day that was like,
[15:22]my old crap date on the calendar.
[15:24]Like, if you don't start back today,
[15:26]you're not going to finish.
[15:27]So I had to get going.
[15:29]And then once I got going, I got it was great.
[15:31]And this book, it's funny because to be honest,
[15:35]I didn't want to necessarily write a third book.
[15:39]It's such a big endeavor.
[15:41]And my books are something that makes me the most proud
[15:44]in my whole life.
[15:44]I just can't even believe I did it.
[15:46]I love them so much.
[15:48]I'm so proud of them.
[15:49]But my soul could not rest until I wrote this book.
[15:53]I wanted to be done after two.
[15:55]But there was just something in me that was like,
[15:57]no, you have to write this.
[15:59]And I'm so glad that because I know this book
[16:02]is going to help change lives because everybody has one minute.
[16:05]And the thing is, is that you can use these tools,
[16:08]but also you can experience how good it feels to use them.
[16:11]And then just maybe you want to see what two minutes
[16:14]feels like or three minutes.
[16:15]So it can also be a little gateway
[16:18]into the world of meditation that people feel really comfortable with
[16:21]because everybody is like,
[16:22]I can do anything for a minute
[16:24]as opposed to starting out with 10 minutes,
[16:27]you know, which feels more overwhelming.
[16:29]That sounds great.
[16:29]So you, just to change topics for a second,
[16:31]you wrote a blog post about your commitment
[16:34]to taking weekends off on social media.
[16:36]Hashtag weekends off.
[16:37]Yeah.
[16:37]So can you tell me more about this sort of digital detox
[16:40]and how it can help?
[16:41]Oh my goodness.
[16:42]This has been my changing for me.
[16:44]Because we all know that social media
[16:46]can be completely addicting.
[16:48]And I am no exception to that.
[16:50]It's how I connect with people.
[16:52]And if I want anyone to find my books and read my books,
[16:55]you know, I have to be out there.
[16:57]But I was finding that on the weekends
[16:59]that I wanted to really be family time,
[17:01]I was like, in moments with my kids thinking
[17:04]that this feels good post.
[17:05]And I was like, what are you doing out?
[17:07]Like, this is not how you want to be living your life.
[17:09]This is not a lot of feeling of presence.
[17:12]As mindful as I could and I was like,
[17:14]something needs to change.
[17:15]So I started with an hour off on the weekends
[17:19]and then it turned into an afternoon.
[17:21]And then it turned into a day.
[17:23]And then I realized I love this a day so much.
[17:26]And I was feeling so relaxed.
[17:27]And I was like, playing more with the kids.
[17:29]And if I had extra time taking my jobs on another wall
[17:32]for a baby, just reading and relaxing,
[17:34]instead of scrolling on my phone.
[17:36]And I was like, this feels so good.
[17:38]I went the whole weekend.
[17:39]And so that's how I got to the weekends off.
[17:41]But I do actually have on my website
[17:44]a digital detox program.
[17:45]I call it digital detox for the modern mom.
[17:47]And it talks people through how to make very small
[17:51]incremental changes to just put your phone away
[17:53]for a little bit of time.
[17:55]So that it can really have a huge, huge impact on your life.
[17:59]And you can feel a lot more present.
[18:01]So here's my question.
[18:02]If you take pictures on your weekends
[18:05]that you think would be a good post,
[18:06]can you just post them on Monday when the detox is over?
[18:09]Yeah, absolutely.
[18:11]And I would like to be clear,
[18:13]it's not that I don't touch my phone during the weekend.
[18:16]I do text, I'll check email, but I don't go on social media.
[18:20]I don't post anything.
[18:22]So I don't want to make people think I'm not literally
[18:24]on my phone ever, but not social media.
[18:27]What's your favorite social media channel?
[18:30]And what's your handle?
[18:32]Instagram, Instagram for sure,
[18:34]and a top message to my and full mom.
[18:36]Love it.
[18:37]I like Instagram the best, too.
[18:39]But if you have the most positive and fun,
[18:42]and I don't know, I love love Instagram.
[18:45]It's a weakness of mine.
[18:49]I hear ya.
[18:50]I do love it.
[18:51]So what do you think about these meditation studios
[18:54]that are popping up everywhere?
[18:56]Have you heard about these?
[18:57]I know in the city and here in New York City either?
[18:59]So I think in one, they're amazing.
[19:01]And they're getting more people to meditate.
[19:03]In my opinion, anything that gets more people to meditate
[19:06]is incredible.
[19:07]So I think it's absolutely amazing
[19:10]that there's more places that are encouraging people
[19:13]to just spend a little bit of time quietly going with it
[19:17]is wonderful, really wonderful.
[19:19]How do you think meditating?
[19:22]Like, let's say I spend an hour to go to a meditation studio
[19:25]where I do 60 of your one minute meditations in a row
[19:29]or something.
[19:29]How is that different than taking myself to some sort of a psychologist
[19:34]or therapist or something where I'm actively tackling
[19:38]the issues versus putting my body on hold?
[19:42]What do you think?
[19:43]Is it meeting the same needs or those different needs
[19:45]or does meditation replace it or complement it?
[19:48]I would definitely say complement.
[19:50]I'm not a therapist, so I don't even know.
[19:53]There are incredible benefits of therapy.
[19:55]I've done therapy before.
[19:57]I don't feel really comfortable kind of talking.
[20:00]out the benefit of therapy.
[20:02]But I can talk about meditation with confidence.
[20:05]And the thing about meditation is,
[20:07]there's a lot of movement and meditation movement
[20:09]of the mind obviously thought coming to play
[20:12]and we learn how to change our relationship to those thoughts.
[20:15]Movement of the body is one way that stress can be released
[20:18]and then also movement of emotion can happen.
[20:21]So our body is so smart as our subconscious.
[20:25]It's so smart and knows what it wants to get rid of
[20:27]and what it's ready to release.
[20:29]And so things can be released in meditation.
[20:32]But we don't even know what it is, you know?
[20:35]And it just sort of happens because your body
[20:37]and your subconscious are ready to do that.
[20:40]I've had meditations that have turned into me
[20:42]crying on the floor, not often.
[20:44]I don't want people to think
[20:45]that's normal unless it looks gonna happen
[20:47]all the time in their meditation.
[20:48]But once in a blue moon,
[20:50]or definitely it looked toward the beginning of my practice
[20:52]and I had a lot, a lot to release.
[20:55]But you can release things in meditation
[20:59]that are no longer serving you.
[21:01]And you don't even have to talk about that.
[21:03]So really amazing.
[21:05]Because I'm not talking about it feels so daunting.
[21:08]Not that they're earning, but it benefits to that.
[21:11]But sometimes we're able to just release,
[21:13]just release things.
[21:15]So that can really be amazing, too.
[21:17]And I also just wanna make it clear
[21:18]for listeners out there that in your book,
[21:20]you have 35 different meditations that are each a minute.
[21:24]So I actually wouldn't be able to do 60 unique ones.
[21:28]But there are 35.
[21:29]I wouldn't recommend that.
[21:30]No, and I was kidding.
[21:32]I was totally kidding.
[21:32]I was so like, I know, I know.
[21:34]But just in case people are wondering,
[21:36]it's not just a book about meditation,
[21:38]but it's a hands-on.
[21:40]You can open it up and pick just one page.
[21:43]You don't have to feel like you're reading
[21:44]even a whole book.
[21:45]Just one page just can be really super helpful.
[21:47]Absolutely.
[21:48]And even some of the other chapters about
[21:50]my mindful spending experiment,
[21:52]and my intuition journal,
[21:53]and there's lots of other personal stories
[21:55]that I share in there.
[21:56]But everything's done in sort of bite-sized chapters
[21:59]that you can just read one in purple line
[22:01]or before bad if you're tired
[22:03]and you just want a couple minutes.
[22:06]Perfect.
[22:06]So if listeners take one or two pieces of advice away
[22:09]from this podcast from you,
[22:11]what would you want them to be?
[22:12]I've been a biggest piece of advice
[22:14]that don't underestimate how much a small change
[22:18]or one minute can create in your life.
[22:21]So not thinking that you have to rebamp
[22:24]your entire life to make a change,
[22:26]but implementing these tiny little things,
[22:29]one minute meditation here or there at a traffic light
[22:32]and mine at the grocery store in the shower.
[22:35]Whenever you can fit it in,
[22:36]we'll make an incredible impact on your life.
[22:39]You'll be surprised at how much better you feel
[22:42]from even a minute, every once in a while.
[22:44]And do you have any advice to someone out there
[22:47]who's tackling running a book the way you did,
[22:49]even a book that might be flowing out of them
[22:51]the way you're staying at least for the first day?
[22:54]You know what, there's no easy way.
[22:56]It's about sitting your butt at your computer
[22:58]and your chair.
[22:59]I felt like I could talk about it for the next 10 years
[23:02]or I could just sit down and do it.
[23:04]So block the time off on your calendar,
[23:06]make a plan and just sit down and do it.
[23:09]Make an outline and just every time you sit down
[23:12]you tackle one more piece of it.
[23:14]There really is no magic formula.
[23:16]It just takes effort,
[23:19]but it's an incredibly rewarding process.
[23:22]And it's one of the best things I've ever done,
[23:25]but there is no magic formula.
[23:27]It just has to sit down.
[23:28]And what is coming up next for you after this?
[23:30]Sounds like you don't necessarily want to write another book.
[23:33]I don't know, number four.
[23:35]That's for a long time.
[23:36]I feel actually after this third one,
[23:38]I do feel like really complete
[23:40]in terms of writing,
[23:41]but who knows what will happen?
[23:43]I want just,
[23:45]I'm putting out to be the worst to bring me
[23:46]lots of opportunity to happen during school hours.
[23:49]Lots of people that want to learn
[23:51]and do all the things that I do.
[23:53]I just want to be home with my kids for a little while.
[23:56]Honestly, I love doing what I do.
[23:59]I'm never going to stop,
[24:00]but I've been doing a lot of travel to seek
[24:02]and a lot of workshops and things like that.
[24:04]And I just need, I just need time with my kids at home right now.
[24:08]So that's sort of been my latest revelation.
[24:11]I get it.
[24:12]Totally get that.
[24:13]Yeah.
[24:14]Well, Ali, thank you so much.
[24:15]And I am definitely going to be trying more of these
[24:18]throughout the day.
[24:19]I really am.
[24:20]And I'm going to keep trying to keep in touch with you
[24:21]and let you know what happens.
[24:23]We do.
[24:24]I love love hearing when people have the text or yourself.
[24:27]And if you have any questions,
[24:28]don't hesitate to reach out either.
[24:30]Awesome.
[24:31]All right. Well, thank you so much.
[24:32]And thanks.
[24:32]Thank you.
[24:33]Take care.
[24:34]Bye-bye.
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