Sarika Chawla, Journalist, Eating Disorders and Parenting
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[0:48]I'm here today with Sarika Challa.
[0:50]Sarika is a Los Angeles-based writer and editor and mother of two.
[0:54]By day, she does marketing for the travel and tourism industry.
[0:57]In her spare time, she writes about women's health and parenting.
[1:00]Her freelance work has been featured in places like salon, vice, and the Washington Post.
[1:04]Her recent piece in abortion after 20 weeks, which started with a moving story about
[1:08]her best friends, troubled twin pregnancy, was selected for an honorable mention in ASJ
[1:13]A's 2018 awards.
[1:15]You can learn more about her on her website, SarikaChalla.com.
[1:19]I actually discovered SarikaChalla on Facebook.
[1:23]Her essay, which was called How I'm Raising My Kids to Have a Healthy Relationship with Food
[1:27]despite my eating disorder was published in the Washington Post's on parenting section,
[1:32]and I just thought it was awesome.
[1:34]So I reached out to her.
[1:35]Hi, Sarika.
[1:36]It's Debbie Owens from Mom's Don't Have Time for books.
[1:38]Hi.
[1:39]How are you?
[1:40]How are you?
[1:41]Good.
[1:42]Good.
[1:43]Well, thanks so much for doing the podcast.
[1:44]Oh, no worries.
[1:45]Yeah, I know.
[1:46]It's crazy for you, too.
[1:47]I don't know.
[1:48]How are they?
[1:49]How are they?
[1:50]How old are your kids?
[1:51]My kids are, I have twins who are almost 11, a four-year-old, almost five-year-old, and a
[1:55]three-year-old.
[1:56]Wow.
[1:57]Okay.
[1:58]That's the end.
[1:59]I remember when I had just one, and I was like, I'm so tired all the time, and now I have two.
[2:02]and I'm like, how does anyone do more than this?
[2:04]That's crazy.
[2:05]And how old are your kids?
[2:07]My son is six, and my daughter is 20 or 21 months.
[2:12]Yeah.
[2:13]Very cute.
[2:14]Yeah.
[2:15]And they're at an age now where they can interact with each other, which is nice.
[2:18]Yeah, that does make life easier.
[2:20]Yeah, exactly.
[2:21]Yeah, they play together now.
[2:24]Sometimes not so well for mine, but now I'm kidding.
[2:27]Well, sure.
[2:28]Yeah, there is that.
[2:29]Well, because now she's at the age, actually, where she's like, annoying to him,
[2:31]which is kind of funny.
[2:32]Right.
[2:33]And he's like, leave me alone.
[2:35]And she's like, ah, but she's also really pushy.
[2:37]So it's very cute to watch.
[2:39]Yeah.
[2:40]Yeah.
[2:41]Well, I wanted to talk today more about your Washington Post on parenting article about
[2:47]how you had eating disorders of your own diagnosed or not and how you find that impacting
[2:54]your kids.
[2:55]Yeah, absolutely.
[2:58]So the beginning of your essay was just so amazing.
[3:01]You paint a picture of pouring butter into your kids' waffles and a lot into your little
[3:05]boys.
[3:06]And maybe less so into your little girls.
[3:07]And then you say, this is how it starts.
[3:09]Talk to me about this.
[3:11]Yeah, that was, I mean, I don't know if that was an aha moment or just like something
[3:16]that really stood out in my mind was like, oh boy, okay, I need to like take stock of what
[3:20]I'm doing here because my son is six.
[3:23]And you know, he's on the smaller side.
[3:25]He's just like a smaller kid and he's very thin.
[3:27]He's okay.
[3:28]And you know, I just wanted to sort of make sure that he's like strong and healthy.
[3:35]And so I'm very like liberal about just giving him extra calories wherever I don't think
[3:39]about it much.
[3:40]And my daughter, she's almost two.
[3:42]And she's a solid little thing.
[3:44]I think she's kind of built like me and her doctor did comment once but like, okay, time
[3:47]to like switch to low fat milk.
[3:50]And so when I was literally just spreading that butter and realizing that he had a lot
[3:55]more than she did.
[3:56]I'm like, oh boy, this, it brought up a whole like well of emotions in terms of weight
[4:02]and also gender, you know, that it's okay to give the boy more because he has to be big
[4:06]and strong but the girl has to be small.
[4:08]So that's kind of where it all came together and I had that this is something I need
[4:12]to think about and address.
[4:13]Like you did so in a really moving way.
[4:16]So thanks for getting it down on paper for us.
[4:19]Thank you.
[4:20]No, it's true.
[4:21]It was really, I really, really liked it.
[4:23]That's why I'm interviewing you.
[4:25]You say in your piece that you're eating disorder was never diagnosed officially, that
[4:30]you weren't thin enough to be hospitalized or obesity level heavy, yet you were consumed,
[4:35]you set obsessed with the scale on your body.
[4:37]Can you tell me about what it was like for you growing up with your focus on eating
[4:40]and weight and what made it disordered in your mind?
[4:44]Sure.
[4:45]So I mean it goes back when I was very young, probably eight or nine.
[4:48]I had puberty very early as well as about nine and so my body was changing at a very,
[4:53]young age and again I was sort of, you know, just I think they called me sturdy back
[4:58]then.
[4:59]I was never a thin girl and so it just began very young with the pediatrician saying okay
[5:06]the kids need eat more vegetables but you know not much, so much junk food and my mom
[5:10]being like I'm trying but I can't control this and they eat straight.
[5:14]I had a sweet tooth, you know, I loved I just love sweet.
[5:18]So, you know, I became very conscious of my appearance and you know just how I looked
[5:25]when I was probably eight or nine it was just almost too young for a girl to really
[5:29]be dealing with that.
[5:31]And so then I sort of died when I was, I want to say like 15 or so I think it was after
[5:35]myself more years and I lost some weight and you know it was really proud of myself
[5:40]and I was exercising and watching what I ate and back then it was the nine disease and
[5:44]that was the low fat revolution.
[5:47]Everything was low fat and to me that was a revelation I'm like I can have cookies
[5:52]because they have no fat in them because we had snack well and all those you know what
[5:57]I didn't understand or what nobody really talked about was that they were loaded with sugar
[6:01]so I was really nothing at my metabolism by eating nothing but bagels and low fat cookies
[6:08]and just anything that was you know high carbs but low fat was okay and so I did lose
[6:14]weight and I felt really great about myself and people noticed but I just messed up
[6:19]my metabolism pretty drastically and it was just all consuming and I think that's pretty
[6:25]normal for teenage girls which is unfortunate and so we would just sit around all during
[6:30]our free periods just talking about food just just talking about you know how many calories
[6:35]are in a bagel how many calories are in that and you know well I love eating this but
[6:38]I can't because you know my mom's been putting me fat not that wide but my friends
[6:42]but that's it was just kind of it drove everything it was always there you know even
[6:49]gym classes like we're running fast enough to burn calories so everything that we did
[6:55]and talked about and thought about was sort of there was food was always there and then
[7:00]it became really problematic and like day to day things like going out to eat with my family
[7:06]I would order like grilled fish with no oil on it no butter and then one day a fish showed
[7:10]up and it had like some oil I think that came from the fish itself because it was a
[7:14]fat air fish and I was crushed out devastated because I'm like no I can't eat it because
[7:19]they're fat on it and I'm trying to like mop up the fat and my parents are just looking
[7:23]at me being like what is wrong like what's happening but at the same time since I was
[7:29]losing weight everyone's like well she's doing such a good job this is okay so that's
[7:33]really all kind of started was it grows and becomes consuming and then of course I became
[7:40]a binge eater too you know I'd be so obsessed with sugar and my body was craving so much
[7:46]sugar that I would go through like half a box of cereal every night you know I'd be doing
[7:51]my homework I'd be a bowl of cereal with my fingers just you know no milk or anything
[7:55]just dry cereal super sweet stuff too it was like cinnamon toast crunch and golden
[8:00]grams and I would just eat one bowl after another until it was almost all gone so it
[8:05]just a lot of unhealthy habits that grew upon one another and really impacted like me mentally
[8:12]and physically I have to say that could have just been me talking there were so many
[8:18]similarities down to the snack wells and I'm like can she see me sitting here with my life
[8:24]cereal bowl that I eat with my fingers and my computer oh my goodness anyway I can I completely
[8:28]relate I feel like maybe having grown up and in about the same time and all the fascination
[8:34]and food and the low-fat and all these trends I just anyway I completely yeah yeah completely
[8:41]relating with with everything I think a lot of women do and I did go to therapy later in college
[8:47]I've joined a group therapy so the school psychologist you know just held something small for
[8:52]some women and and we all walked into that room and we all sat down talking about snack well so it
[8:57]was pretty common I had a similar moment with some scrambled eggs at a wedding brunch once and it
[9:03]was like the only thing and they were drenched in butter and I was like I can't eat this
[9:07]anyway everything what's wrong with you it's pretty good anyway enough of my issues so in your
[9:15]piece you say you desperately want your kids to remain free from your burdens and in the article
[9:21]you outline a few steps at the end that can help some of the things you mentioned are having dinners
[9:26]as a family limiting social media being easier on yourself not talking about your own weight
[9:33]not labeling foods is good bad healthier unhealthy which are these things do you feel like you
[9:39]need to work on the most like which is the hardest for you and then maybe which is the easiest for you
[9:45]sure so the hardest thing for me to incorporate into our lifestyle is eating together
[9:50]and that's because it really takes it's a family effort to make that happen and I have been
[9:54]not going to be idea he gets good concept of it but if I'm coming home
[10:00]from work, he's feeding the kids at five,
[10:01]like that's just not gonna happen.
[10:03]And then we can roll around
[10:05]and it's just sort of hard to like organize everybody
[10:07]to okay, it's time to sit down with the table together
[10:09]and like not look at our devices.
[10:12]So I'm trying to ease up on myself
[10:13]on that guilt a little bit
[10:15]because even though we don't all sit together and eat,
[10:18]you know, the kids will sit together
[10:19]and then my husband and I kind of eat when we can,
[10:23]often in front of the TV,
[10:25]but we do interact a lot.
[10:26]You know, I'm in and out of the kitchen while they're eating
[10:29]or my husband will be or, you know,
[10:30]I'll somebody will be making food.
[10:32]It's just, there's a lot of movement in our house.
[10:34]So I try not to worry too much
[10:36]that we're not sitting around a table together
[10:39]and just sort of try to focus on the fact
[10:40]that we're communicating while we eat.
[10:43]So I think that's one step.
[10:46]I've gotten a lot better about not creating that line
[10:50]between good and bad food.
[10:53]And that started with my son.
[10:54]I think, you know, I always feed my kids,
[10:56]at least one fruit or vegetable with their meal.
[10:58]So they'll have whatever chicken nuggets and apples
[11:01]or something.
[11:02]So that's standard in our house and they expect that.
[11:04]But I stop trying to define that as,
[11:06]here's the good food that you have to eat
[11:09]in order to get your cookie.
[11:10]You know, if they eat it great,
[11:11]if they don't finish it fine,
[11:12]they still get the cookie.
[11:14]And recently with my daughter,
[11:16]she's little, she's in her high chair
[11:17]and she saw her brother getting the cookie
[11:19]after he finished eating
[11:20]and she started making noises for it.
[11:22]And I thought, you know what, let's just see what happens.
[11:24]So I put the cookie on her tray
[11:26]along with the rest of her food.
[11:28]She still had chicken and some carrots
[11:31]and some apples or something.
[11:32]And she ate the cookie and then she went back
[11:34]to her chicken.
[11:35]And I'm like, oh, okay, that's interesting.
[11:37]Like, she's not seeing this as a reward
[11:39]or as like a, I have to do this to get that cookie.
[11:42]So I'm trying to do more of that
[11:44]just incorporating everything.
[11:45]Sometimes they've yogurt from dessert
[11:47]and to them that's like also a treat.
[11:49]And in my head, I'm like, great,
[11:51]they're getting protein too, but I don't say it out loud.
[11:54]Totally.
[11:54]And yeah.
[11:56]And I'm just trying to be active.
[11:58]I wasn't a hugely active kid.
[12:00]My family and I didn't do a whole lot
[12:01]outside of going out to eat and going to the movies together.
[12:05]So I'm just trying to do a lot more like hiking
[12:08]or just going outside.
[12:09]And I'm not like an outdoorsy person.
[12:12]So it takes some effort on my part too,
[12:13]but just getting them out.
[12:16]And you're in LA, right?
[12:17]Isn't there great hiking in there?
[12:19]It is great.
[12:20]I think that's a like park park.
[12:22]I think it's crowded and hot and such a little bit
[12:25]about my first thing, my first go-to,
[12:27]but I'm trying.
[12:28]I wasn't trying to make it sound like you needed to do it more.
[12:32]Yeah, I got it though.
[12:32]Yeah, there are options here, which is great.
[12:36]Are there any mistakes you've made
[12:37]with your kids and food?
[12:38]Something you might look back on already and think,
[12:40]oh no, I can't believe I did that.
[12:43]Oh, well, I mean, yeah, daily.
[12:46]I, so my son actually put this in the article
[12:49]to my son also gave me this aha moment,
[12:52]where I realized I was over praising him
[12:55]for making good choices.
[12:57]And so I think I tried to give him a bite of my food.
[12:59]I forget what it was.
[13:01]And he said no.
[13:02]And normally I don't make a big deal out of it,
[13:04]but I'm just like, you know, I'm just offering it too
[13:06]because I think you'll like it.
[13:07]I'm not trying to give it too far out of reason
[13:08]except I think you might like enjoy it
[13:10]and I'm trying to expand his palate a little bit.
[13:12]And he just looks at me and goes,
[13:14]but then I might like it,
[13:15]and then you'll be really proud of me
[13:17]and I can't deal with that right now.
[13:19]And I was like, oh, like it's true.
[13:22]Like if he likes something,
[13:23]then I'm like, well, you're gonna have it for dinner
[13:25]for the next month.
[13:27]We found a new food for you
[13:28]and we're gonna put in your lunch box
[13:29]and I get so happy.
[13:31]I mean, food brings people together.
[13:32]So it's great.
[13:33]I love it.
[13:34]And I love the experience of it and feeding people.
[13:37]And so it makes me happy when people like my food
[13:40]and I realize I was overdoing it with him.
[13:42]So that's why I tried to get back off.
[13:45]Makes sense.
[13:48]You also mentioned how kids sense what's going on
[13:50]with their parents eating,
[13:51]even if you're trying to hide it.
[13:53]I mean, I feel like my oldest son can basically read my mind
[13:56]at this point about most things.
[13:57]Have you seen your kids sensitively things
[13:59]you're trying to hide about your issues with food?
[14:04]Nothing's really come up where I feel like they've caught
[14:08]onto something.
[14:09]You know, my son knows I have a sweet tooth
[14:11]because I've been pretty open about it
[14:12]even though he doesn't necessarily see me eating those cookies.
[14:15]But you know, he knows that I've certainly said,
[14:18]you know, mommy's like sweet food.
[14:21]And, you know, I just try not to talk about weight at all.
[14:26]Like I try not to talk about numbers or scales or anything
[14:29]because my mom and I did that a lot.
[14:31]It was kind of a bonding thing.
[14:32]And so I'm just trying not to pass that on to them
[14:35]that numbers are important.
[14:37]But no, I mean, my son, my daughter's too little
[14:39]but my son hasn't really said anything to me
[14:43]about like mommy's weird about food except that, you know,
[14:46]that thing I mentioned before where I get over excited
[14:49]if you like something.
[14:50]And so I'm trying to just quiet that down a little bit.
[14:53]So let's make sure he doesn't listen to this.
[14:56]Exactly, yeah, okay.
[14:57]Maybe when he's older, yeah.
[15:00]You said in your article beautifully
[15:02]that now your relationship with eating has softened more
[15:06]into more of an easygoing partnership than toxic abuse,
[15:09]which I thought was really beautifully put.
[15:12]I know you've talked about this a little already
[15:13]but can you give me an example of how it's more easygoing now?
[15:19]Sure, I don't really restrict food the way I used to.
[15:22]I mean, in that low fat revolution days,
[15:25]I didn't touch cheese for years,
[15:27]which is a tragedy because cheese is amazing.
[15:30]You know, I only ate like frozen yogurt
[15:32]instead of real ice cream.
[15:34]So now I feel much more free to eat what I want
[15:38]and I can do it in moderation.
[15:39]I'm not as afraid that if I eat one bite of real ice cream
[15:43]that I'm gonna eat the whole tub.
[15:46]And if I, you know, if I do get a pound or two,
[15:48]like it's not gonna balloon into 20 pounds.
[15:52]So I just feel a lot more free to eat
[15:53]than to really enjoy food because I do love it.
[15:55]I mean, I think a lot of women will say
[15:57]it's a love-hate relationship.
[15:59]So now I don't hate food.
[16:01]I just, I love it and I appreciate it and I enjoy it.
[16:05]But it's, you know, it's still always there.
[16:07]I'm still always conscious of what do I wait today?
[16:10]Am I gonna wait the same tomorrow?
[16:11]I was gonna go up or down.
[16:12]So it's kind of always there
[16:14]and it does drive a lot of my choices and decisions.
[16:17]But it's not, it's not consuming
[16:20]and it's not depressing and it's not scary.
[16:23]That's good.
[16:26]So as you watch your daughter growing up,
[16:29]I know she's still in a high chair,
[16:30]but what do you really want her to know about her body?
[16:34]Like what attitude do you want her to have?
[16:35]And what are you gonna do to help her get there
[16:37]aside from your suggestions earlier?
[16:41]Yeah, it's tricky.
[16:42]I mean, you know, if I know myself,
[16:44]I know if I see her starting to put on weight
[16:46]when she's eight or nine like I did,
[16:48]that I might be like, oh, let's choose the carrot instead.
[16:52]I hope I don't do that.
[16:54]But I just want her to know that our body,
[16:58]our shape is our shape.
[16:59]I mean, we are shorter women.
[17:02]You know, I come from a long line of women
[17:04]with like larger thighs
[17:06]and so that's just how our bodies are shaped.
[17:08]I don't know if hers is, but I think it is.
[17:11]And so that's adorable.
[17:12]And that's gonna be, you know, that's what you are.
[17:16]And I just, I'm trying to also make sure
[17:19]that my kids are exposed to people
[17:21]of different cultures, different colors, different races
[17:25]to know that the norm that I grew up with
[17:28]in a very sort of, you know,
[17:30]white part of Connecticut isn't the norm around the world.
[17:36]You know, just what was the standard of beauty
[17:38]back then has evolved as long as I can expose them to more.
[17:42]So I think I just want her to understand
[17:44]that like beauty comes in all shapes and sizes
[17:46]as long as she feels really good about herself.
[17:49]And that was another lesson I learned from,
[17:51]even just writing with article was, you know,
[17:55]food does impact your body civically.
[17:58]So pay attention to how it makes you feel.
[18:01]And that can actually really inform
[18:03]a lot of good choices because I don't do pancakes
[18:05]with syrup in the morning because it makes me feel sick.
[18:07]So that's great.
[18:08]That's, you know, I feel better if I have eggs
[18:10]and vegetables or toast or something.
[18:13]So I think it's, by looking at it, reframing it that way
[18:16]of how to make you feel not have like
[18:18]gonna affect your weight will probably be beneficial
[18:22]for her.
[18:24]Just to what you said a minute ago about your shape,
[18:26]being your shape, just this little anecdote,
[18:28]I went to a sole cycle class once where the teachers
[18:31]said her whole life she had wondered,
[18:32]why do I have these big thighs?
[18:34]I hate my thighs, I hate my body, I have these big thighs.
[18:37]She's like, and then she got on a bike
[18:39]and all of a sudden she was this amazing cyclist.
[18:43]And she, all of a sudden she had this aha moment like,
[18:45]this is what my thighs were there for.
[18:47]So anyway, I like that our bodies are made
[18:51]the way they are, we have our skills.
[18:54]And you know, anyway, it is what it is kind of thing.
[18:58]Yeah.
[19:00]So do you have advice for other parents out there
[19:03]who are sort of struggling with the same weight
[19:06]or eating issues in front of their kids?
[19:08]And I know you've given advice already,
[19:10]but is there anything more specific that you would say
[19:13]to someone out there listening to moms
[19:16]who don't have time to read books about what they should do
[19:19]or what they can have, they can be easier on themselves?
[19:24]Yeah, I mean, I think that's it.
[19:25]I think moms have to be easier on themselves.
[19:27]You know, our bodies after we give birth
[19:29]are not the same bodies before we gave birth.
[19:31]And that's okay, that's great.
[19:33]And you know, I think you see the world differently
[19:37]when you have kids, you start seeing like ice cream
[19:39]is a joyful experience and not something you have to do
[19:43]when you're sitting by yourself in front of the TV.
[19:46]So I think there's, if you feel like food is
[19:51]driving your choices, if you feel like food is like
[19:54]becoming a battlefield between you and your kids,
[19:56]it's okay to get help.
[19:58]It's okay to talk to people about that.
[20:00]because what you're going through is incredibly common
[20:02]and it's something that people don't talk about a lot.
[20:05]Or don't even really articulate a lot
[20:06]because they just figure, you know,
[20:08]I'm trying to lose weight, like that's,
[20:10]of course I am, like why wouldn't I try to do that?
[20:12]So I think it becomes disordered very quickly
[20:15]and people don't pay attention to that.
[20:17]So I think it's worth getting help
[20:19]or talking to someone if you feel like it's just consuming you.
[20:23]And yeah, I think it just is up in yourself,
[20:26]I think make food a joyful experience, you know,
[20:28]but eating around the dinner table is a great idea
[20:30]but if you can't do that, then again,
[20:32]going out for ice cream, going out to eat together
[20:34]when you can, just anything to make it not
[20:36]about the actual food that the experience being together.
[20:40]Yes.
[20:44]So that was really insightful and great.
[20:46]I was just wondering what other articles or projects
[20:48]are you working on now?
[20:49]How can we all keep up with your work?
[20:53]Cool, well, I have a website that's always in progress
[20:56]because I can never find time to sit down with it.
[20:58]But it's at sarkachowelow.com.
[21:01]And yeah, I just do some occasional writing.
[21:03]Usually the topics that I'm passionate about,
[21:07]you know, I have a full-time job in marketing
[21:08]so that I fit in writing when I can.
[21:11]And my full-time job is also writing and editing.
[21:14]So I am in front of a computer all day long.
[21:17]But yeah, I just, at sarkachowelow.com,
[21:19]there's some links to my articles
[21:20]and I do some stuff for the Washington Post
[21:24]for Vice and lots of stuff for LA parent magazine.
[21:27]So yeah, we can follow along.
[21:30]Awesome.
[21:31]And as a last question, you know, as a journalist
[21:33]and a marketing executive and a mom of two,
[21:36]how do you manage it all?
[21:38]Does anything fall through the cracks
[21:39]more than other things?
[21:42]I mean, I fall through the cracks
[21:43]but you know, there's no time for myself.
[21:46]But no, it's all stuff that I love.
[21:48]I've been really supportive husband.
[21:49]He's the one like I said,
[21:50]he's the one who's putting dinner on the table
[21:52]for the kids for the most part.
[21:54]So yeah, he's super supportive.
[21:57]Everything I do, I really enjoy.
[21:59]I mean, I'm lucky that I'm able to have a full-time job
[22:02]that involves writing and editing and dealing with words.
[22:04]And then I'm sort of have that mental space
[22:07]to then go pursue topics that I'm passionate about.
[22:12]That's awesome.
[22:13]Well, thank you so, so much for being on Moms.
[22:16]Don't have time to read books.
[22:18]And thank you, appreciate it.
[22:20]Thank you for talking and I wish you all the best.
[22:23]Thank you.
[22:24]Yeah, let me know when it's all complete
[22:26]and I'll share it around.
[22:27]Thank you so much.
[22:28]All right, take care.
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